“Law enforcement” has never been the kind of job that attracts good people. Your “heroes” in law enforcement will staff the camps and operate the gas chambers without question because “just doing my job here, folks.”
Too broad a statement. Undoubtedly many bad cops out there, attracted to the power and the guns and the chance to boss people around. Also many good cops out there, attracted by the chance to help their community and make it safer for everyone. We can and should call out the bad ones, but don’t paint them all with the same brush.
I seem to meet more of the first kind. Enough that the only time I’ll risk calling a cop is when I need a report for my insurance company. Anything else I either ignore or take care of myself. It’s just not worth the chance some Nazi lunatic is going to show up and just make things worse.
My son and daughter-in-law lost dual fetuses, under six months gestated twins, at the Mayo Clinic. It took coordination with two funeral homes, one in Minnesota and one in Iowa, to bring them back home to be disposed of as these very grieving young people desired. And not an inconsiderable expense. The volume would not have filled a standard envelope.
Where's the desperately needed legislative punishments aghast and against low-count and low-motility sperm carriers? These diseased and deformed men engaging in perverted sexual congress without hope of procreation must be barred from conjugating!! EVER!!!
The fact that she was bleeding and eventually passed out is a good indication that she wasn’t thinking too clearly when she disposed of the remains. Maybe we can just give her a pass on the question of when to put it in a bag.
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I think that I had a very early miscarriage once. I still remember the relief when my period finally came. All I did was flush the toilet afterwards, and properly dispose of the used pads. I didn't realize that I was supposed to fish through the toilet and the garbage bag for those precious blood clots.
Pro Tip: Nearly 85% of MAGAs are deep into "sacrificial pain", with the remainder dead set against any hurt for the billionaire class. As one masochistic voter put it, "Billionaires? Well, there just airn't that many of 'em tuh make much of no difference to things as they are."
"The criminal charges against Selena Chandler-Scott, the 24-year-old Georgia woman who faced possible prison time after having had a miscarriage, have been dropped. After she was found bleeding and unconscious by first responders, Chandler-Scott was charged with one count of concealing the death of another person and with one count of throwing away or abandonment of a dead body."
* Tift County District Attorney Patrick Warren's magnanimity is underwhelming. Dropping criminal charges after Ms Chandler-Scott miscarried is a sign of a true "Christian."
* Georgia is like the other red states in defining personhood -- a miscarried fetus is *not* a person -- except to Pseudochristians:
> "Many religious traditions, including a number of denominations of Christianity, are ambivalent about the beginnings of life. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America** and many American Baptists don’t believe abortion is akin to murder. Presbyterians concede that they “may not know exactly when human life begins” and encourage their followers to make their own careful decisions on abortion.
> "Life is a process that has a beginning and an end. The consensus about the time when human life really begins is still not reached among scientists, philosophers, ethicists, sociologists and theologizes [sic]. The scientific data suggested that a single developmental moment marking the beginning of human life does not exist. Current biological perspectives on when human life begins range through fertilization, gastrulation, to birth and even after." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2582082/
* Given the above, there was no "throwing away or abandonment of a dead body."
(** Not to be confused with "American Evangelicalism.)
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“While law enforcement acted in good faith"
Riiiiight... good faith. The same good faith that Derek Chauvin had, or that Brett Hankison had. Or maybe like Officer Ryan McMahon:
> "McMahon, a rookie on the force, used a Taser on the father of two and struck him several times with his department-issued flashlight. Gunfire erupted — seven shots total. When it was over, Foster, 33, lay dying in the bushes in a darkened courtyard near an apartment complex.
McMahon was involved shortly after with another questionable shooting:
> "aspiring Black rapper Willie McCoy, who was asleep in his silver Mercedes CLS500 outside a Taco Bell shortly before 11 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2019. An employee called 911 to report that McCoy was slumped over the steering wheel and blocking the drive-through. When McMahon and other officers arrived — six in all — one of them spotted a semiautomatic pistol in McCoy's lap. As McCoy slowly awoke, he moved his hand to scratch his chest, according to a report by an expert the city hired to review the shooting. Officers believed he was reaching for the gun, so they fired 55 shots in 3.5 seconds." [Six cops... 55 rounds... 3.5 seconds!] ibid
This is a good outcome but to clarify, at least from what I read, the woman was in her 19th week so the fetus was well formed but not viable so there was some grounds for confusion until the coroner determined that the fetus could not have drawn a breathe.
Law enforcement acted in good faith and responded to a very difficult and emotional situation by making it more difficult and emotional. But, hey, it was only a woman who got hurt. And she didn't even have the baby, which is a woman's main duty.
The saddest part of this story is that the mother, who was undoubtedly weak from blood loss and the trauma of having a miscarriage, had to dispose of the remains herself. Did she not have anyone around who could have done this for her? No wonder she wasn't thinking clearly.
I keep thinking about Gloria Steinem's famous quote "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" and morphing it into "If men could have miscarriages, they'd get a free ambulance ride and 6 months paid sick leave."
It takes a certain malignant stupidity to assume, without investigation, that a stranger has committed infanticide ... but it's fully in character for the white "Christian" nationalist Nazis of Georgia. When presented with a tragedy, they're unable to feel compassion or empathy; instead, they process their discomfort by converting it into unwarranted suspicion,, blame and condemnation. Cowards that they are, they prefer to think the worst of others rather than face their own weakness, and to hide from pain by taking refuge in righteous anger.
And this, they would have us believe, is "good faith".
When the police kidnapped me from my front yard in 2021, I had to argue for 15 minutes before they would let me call a friend to go to my house and look after my cats. I eventually pointed out that while probably nobody in the local media gave a damn about the cops kidnapping an elderly woman, they were sure as hell going to make it front news if my 2 cats were found starved to death.
All of this is a travesty. If those who sponsor, support, and approve of this legal nest of vipers, the only thing I can think of is that you really have no concern for women, healthy pregnancy, and the life of the mother. If you did, you would make sure that every woman had access to good healthcare, both for her needs as a woman and as the child-bearer for our species. If you want healthy children then you need to insure that women are healthy.
Right now the political climate says to me that at least half of this country does not. Neither miscarriage, nor abortion when medically necessary should be a crime. These are medical issues and need to be treated as such. (If this country was even half way civilized that would be the law and practice., But we are not even half way civilized and headed backwards into superstition and medical guesswork, if not sheer cruelty.
Seems that if women need good pregnancy health care they need to go to either Mexico or Canada. We have really fallen into third world status on this issue, but even countries in the third world do better by their women in this regard than we do which is a sad commentary of our level of compassion and understanding of biology.
How lovely that a man gets to make the decision about whether to charge this woman since a man would never be in her situation.
Countdown to the shithole states passing laws declaring fetal remains to be human and requiring full church services and graveyard burial in 3…2…1…
“Law enforcement” has never been the kind of job that attracts good people. Your “heroes” in law enforcement will staff the camps and operate the gas chambers without question because “just doing my job here, folks.”
Too broad a statement. Undoubtedly many bad cops out there, attracted to the power and the guns and the chance to boss people around. Also many good cops out there, attracted by the chance to help their community and make it safer for everyone. We can and should call out the bad ones, but don’t paint them all with the same brush.
I seem to meet more of the first kind. Enough that the only time I’ll risk calling a cop is when I need a report for my insurance company. Anything else I either ignore or take care of myself. It’s just not worth the chance some Nazi lunatic is going to show up and just make things worse.
"I'm so happy I'm going to be a daddy!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKgiGmR6Q8
My son and daughter-in-law lost dual fetuses, under six months gestated twins, at the Mayo Clinic. It took coordination with two funeral homes, one in Minnesota and one in Iowa, to bring them back home to be disposed of as these very grieving young people desired. And not an inconsiderable expense. The volume would not have filled a standard envelope.
Where's the desperately needed legislative punishments aghast and against low-count and low-motility sperm carriers? These diseased and deformed men engaging in perverted sexual congress without hope of procreation must be barred from conjugating!! EVER!!!
Oh shit. What about my vasectomy?
Better not be shooting any blanks anywhere inappropriate!
Between you and your god…
The fact that she was bleeding and eventually passed out is a good indication that she wasn’t thinking too clearly when she disposed of the remains. Maybe we can just give her a pass on the question of when to put it in a bag.
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I think that I had a very early miscarriage once. I still remember the relief when my period finally came. All I did was flush the toilet afterwards, and properly dispose of the used pads. I didn't realize that I was supposed to fish through the toilet and the garbage bag for those precious blood clots.
You know what, I think that's happened to more of us than we know.
Hey kids! Let's file a lawsuit! I big one.
We know for a fact that these sorts of people don't learn unless it hurts.
It doesn't hurt them because they would pay any settlement with taxpayer money.
Pro Tip: Nearly 85% of MAGAs are deep into "sacrificial pain", with the remainder dead set against any hurt for the billionaire class. As one masochistic voter put it, "Billionaires? Well, there just airn't that many of 'em tuh make much of no difference to things as they are."
"The criminal charges against Selena Chandler-Scott, the 24-year-old Georgia woman who faced possible prison time after having had a miscarriage, have been dropped. After she was found bleeding and unconscious by first responders, Chandler-Scott was charged with one count of concealing the death of another person and with one count of throwing away or abandonment of a dead body."
* Tift County District Attorney Patrick Warren's magnanimity is underwhelming. Dropping criminal charges after Ms Chandler-Scott miscarried is a sign of a true "Christian."
* Georgia is like the other red states in defining personhood -- a miscarried fetus is *not* a person -- except to Pseudochristians:
> "Many religious traditions, including a number of denominations of Christianity, are ambivalent about the beginnings of life. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America** and many American Baptists don’t believe abortion is akin to murder. Presbyterians concede that they “may not know exactly when human life begins” and encourage their followers to make their own careful decisions on abortion.
...
There are also a number of biblical passages in which the breath, and not the heartbeat, serves as the central symbol for life, including, most famously, Genesis 2:7: “Then the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”" https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/04/when-does-life-begin-outside-the-christian-right-the-answer-is-over-time.html
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> "Life is a process that has a beginning and an end. The consensus about the time when human life really begins is still not reached among scientists, philosophers, ethicists, sociologists and theologizes [sic]. The scientific data suggested that a single developmental moment marking the beginning of human life does not exist. Current biological perspectives on when human life begins range through fertilization, gastrulation, to birth and even after." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2582082/
* Given the above, there was no "throwing away or abandonment of a dead body."
(** Not to be confused with "American Evangelicalism.)
-----
“While law enforcement acted in good faith"
Riiiiight... good faith. The same good faith that Derek Chauvin had, or that Brett Hankison had. Or maybe like Officer Ryan McMahon:
> "McMahon, a rookie on the force, used a Taser on the father of two and struck him several times with his department-issued flashlight. Gunfire erupted — seven shots total. When it was over, Foster, 33, lay dying in the bushes in a darkened courtyard near an apartment complex.
...
Solano County District Attorney Krishna Abrams declined to bring charges against McMahon, who is white, saying the February 2018 fatal shooting of Foster, who was Black and unarmed" https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/956177021/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-reveal-troubling-patterns
McMahon was involved shortly after with another questionable shooting:
> "aspiring Black rapper Willie McCoy, who was asleep in his silver Mercedes CLS500 outside a Taco Bell shortly before 11 p.m. on Feb. 9, 2019. An employee called 911 to report that McCoy was slumped over the steering wheel and blocking the drive-through. When McMahon and other officers arrived — six in all — one of them spotted a semiautomatic pistol in McCoy's lap. As McCoy slowly awoke, he moved his hand to scratch his chest, according to a report by an expert the city hired to review the shooting. Officers believed he was reaching for the gun, so they fired 55 shots in 3.5 seconds." [Six cops... 55 rounds... 3.5 seconds!] ibid
Possibly like Darren Wilson:
"Brown was fatally shot on August 9, 2014 by Ferguson police officer, Darren Wilson. Despite several witnesses who stated that Brown had his hands up in an attempt to surrender to the officer, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson." https://www.essence.com/news/mike-brown-parents-reach-settlement-wrongful-death-suit/
This shooting sparked the BLM movement and cost Ferguson, MO ~$3 million.
The list of "justifiable" extralegal murders by a number of rogue cops is too long already, but still growing.
fnord
You didn't see today's post about her?
If you're referring to Ms Chandler-Scott outside of this story, then I haven't. Please reply with a link to the post you are talking about. Thanks.
fnord
This is a good outcome but to clarify, at least from what I read, the woman was in her 19th week so the fetus was well formed but not viable so there was some grounds for confusion until the coroner determined that the fetus could not have drawn a breathe.
"There is, of course, no actual law in Georgia about what one should do with fetal remains after a miscarriage ..."
Maybe some 17tth century jurisprudence"? -- SCOTUS Sam\\
Law enforcement acted in good faith and responded to a very difficult and emotional situation by making it more difficult and emotional. But, hey, it was only a woman who got hurt. And she didn't even have the baby, which is a woman's main duty.
The saddest part of this story is that the mother, who was undoubtedly weak from blood loss and the trauma of having a miscarriage, had to dispose of the remains herself. Did she not have anyone around who could have done this for her? No wonder she wasn't thinking clearly.
She passed out, so yeah, probably struggling with the thinking part.
I keep thinking about Gloria Steinem's famous quote "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament" and morphing it into "If men could have miscarriages, they'd get a free ambulance ride and 6 months paid sick leave."
It takes a certain malignant stupidity to assume, without investigation, that a stranger has committed infanticide ... but it's fully in character for the white "Christian" nationalist Nazis of Georgia. When presented with a tragedy, they're unable to feel compassion or empathy; instead, they process their discomfort by converting it into unwarranted suspicion,, blame and condemnation. Cowards that they are, they prefer to think the worst of others rather than face their own weakness, and to hide from pain by taking refuge in righteous anger.
And this, they would have us believe, is "good faith".
Excellent description of LEOs.
When the police kidnapped me from my front yard in 2021, I had to argue for 15 minutes before they would let me call a friend to go to my house and look after my cats. I eventually pointed out that while probably nobody in the local media gave a damn about the cops kidnapping an elderly woman, they were sure as hell going to make it front news if my 2 cats were found starved to death.
All of this is a travesty. If those who sponsor, support, and approve of this legal nest of vipers, the only thing I can think of is that you really have no concern for women, healthy pregnancy, and the life of the mother. If you did, you would make sure that every woman had access to good healthcare, both for her needs as a woman and as the child-bearer for our species. If you want healthy children then you need to insure that women are healthy.
Right now the political climate says to me that at least half of this country does not. Neither miscarriage, nor abortion when medically necessary should be a crime. These are medical issues and need to be treated as such. (If this country was even half way civilized that would be the law and practice., But we are not even half way civilized and headed backwards into superstition and medical guesswork, if not sheer cruelty.
Seems that if women need good pregnancy health care they need to go to either Mexico or Canada. We have really fallen into third world status on this issue, but even countries in the third world do better by their women in this regard than we do which is a sad commentary of our level of compassion and understanding of biology.
You mean, kind of like it used to be...
Well if you have money the story ain't quite the same.