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A Pence Worth Of Courage Isn't Much
It's your very cowardly Sunday show rundown!
Mike Pence has always been a vacuous, textbook example of an insincere politician. (We could link you to the many times Wonkette has written about this.) In one very brief instance on January 6 2021, Pence made the barest minimum decision when he did his job to certify the election of President Joe Biden. But ever since then, the political media has overpraised him like an exhausted parent cheering their toddler's first shit on a training potty.
Thus, here we have Pence, appearing on ABC's "This Week" with Jonathan Karl, getting 30 minutes in his deluded hope he will become the Republican Party presidential nominee.
It only took one question from Karl regarding the possible indictment/arrest of Trump for Pence to show what a coward he is and fall right in line with the rest of the Republican Party.
PENCE: Well first let me say, I'm taken aback at the idea of indicting a former president of the United States, at a time when there's a crime wave in New York City, that -- the fact that the Manhattan D.A. thinks that indicting President Trump is his top priority, I think is, just tells you everything you need to know about the radical Left in this country. [...] It just feels like a politically charged prosecution here. And I, for my part, I just feel like it's just not what the American people want to see. [...]
Never mind that this investigation has been years in the process, including during Pence's vice presidency, and leads back to one of the many criminal investigations started during the Mueller investigation before it was referred to the Southern District of New York (SDNY).
Pence, ever the spineless weasel, has absorbed the Republican talking points and faux shock while also sprinkling some coded bullshit about "blue states."
PENCE: [...] It's a -- the last five years Democrats have been dismantling tough criminal justice in the city of New York. Families are paying the price and yet this is what we get. [...]
Reminder that Indiana's violent crime rate is 382.3 per 100K and homicide rate is 9.7 per 100K versus New York's violent crime rate of 350.5 per 100k and homicide rate of 4.7 per 100K, respectively. That's not even counting the looser gun laws that allow 21 percent of the guns confiscated in Chicago, which the Right is "so concerned about," to be traced back to across the border in Indiana (the real border crisis?).
Pence should keep blue states' names out of his fucking mouth.
Karl asked about Trump basically calling for "protests" again, despite the last time he did leading to January 6. So did Pence, remembering the fear and anger he's mentioned about that day, condemn this?
PENCE: Well Jon, the American people have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble -- and express their …
KARL: Absolutely, but to have a former president calling on people to protest a -- a -- a -- a justice proceeding.
PENCE: The frustration the American people feel about what they sense is a two-tiered justice system in this country, I think -- I think is well founded but -- I -- and -- I believe that people understand that if they give voice to this, if this occurs on Tuesday, that they need to do so peacefully and in a lawful manner. That the violence that occurred on Jan. 6, the violence that occurred in cities throughout this country in the summer of 2020, was a disgrace. [...]
Nope! Mike "I almost was murdered on January 6" Pence instead made a false equivalence to Black Lives Matter/George Floyd protests like a common Dan Bongino or Tucker Carlson. It's also rich to hear about a "two-tiered justice system" from the same party that want J6 insurrectionists freed, but arrest/murder people over routine traffic stops or actually peacefully protesting. The caucasity never seizes to be tragically hilarious.
Pence also tried to distance himself from the crime Trump will be charged with, the election violating payments to Stormy Daniels, but Karl corrected the timeline for him.
KARL: But you say he's a former president possibly about to be indicted and it's unprecedented. Aren't his actions unprecedented? I mean we never saw a presidential candidate give $130,000 to a porn star to keep her from — from talking. I mean, these are unprecedented actions.
PENCE: Well Jon, I — as you know, those -- those events transpired before I even joined the national ticket and so I can't — I can't speak to the merits of the case.
KARL: Well, the payoff happened just two weeks before the election.
PENCE: But I can't speak to the merits of the case. [...]
Pence also led the transition team once they were elected, so he was very much involved at the time. He probably led the transition as well as he did the Coronavirus Task Force's slowed response, though.
But no other moment shows Pence's cowardice more than Karl giving him the most unequivocally easy chance to condemn Trump's actions on January 6 and Pence instead doing his best Susan Collins impression.
KARL: I mean, he's effectively justifying or excusing the actions of people who were, who were calling for you to be hanged.
PENCE: There was no excuse for the violence that took place at the Capitol on Jan. 6, and I'll never diminish it as long as I live. But look I -- the president's wrong. He was wrong that day and … I had actually hoped that he would come around in time [...]
Still defending Trump while comparing January 6 to peaceful protests have already shown you diminish the actions on that day, Pence.
But Mike Pence is still the same douche who turned in his frat brothers for having a keg to university officials for personal gain. The difference is Pence won't gain anything from his shamelessness.
Have a week.
Let's All Smile And Nod At MAGA Threats That Prosecuting Trump Will Make Him Boss Of Us Forever
It's their delusional fantasy. They're the ones who have to work through it.
There are several genres of right-wing reactions developing to Donald Trump's impending first arrest and indictment. One we heard this weekend, notably from Mike Pence, was that it's appalling Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg is doing this right now, what with the CRIME WAVE. As if that's not code for "how can you possibly arrest Donald Trump as long as Black people still exist?"
In this post let's talk about a threat and a fantasy we're starting to see a lot of from these MAGA morons. This tweet and Twitter poll encapsulates it nicely:
Oh you betcha, we are sure there are millions people out there who voted against Trump twice, but upon his arrest will fall in love with him and pledge allegiance forever.
Elon Musk made the prediction, which sounded more like an incel threat, that if Trump is arrested, he "would be re-elected in a landslide victory." He was responding to another tweet that made the very same prediction/threat. It's intended to try to intimidate people, a flaccid way of trying to pre-justify a "Look What You Made Me Do"-type conclusion.
This is obviously bullying abuser behavior. But that's where we come to the fantasy.
It's the silliest of fantasies.
The threat is that if Donald Trump is held accountable — for his decades of criminal behavior, for inciting a terrorist attack against America, for trying to overthrow the government to steal an election, and God knows what else — then YOU'LL SEE, HE'LL BE THE BOSS OF YOU NOW, IN A LANDSLIDE!
The fantasy this is predicated on is that there is some silent majority out there in America that would be activated in the event of his arrest. No matter that such a silent majority has yet to show up every other time it's been threatened. The notion that there are these masses of people who could be convinced to love Trump or care what happens to him or have sympathy for him under any circumstances. The unrealistic fantasy is that if Trump was on fire, passersby actually would piss on him.
It is delusional.
There are many examples of this genre, but Marjorie Taylor Greene's reactions are some of the most ludicrous, for obvious reasons. Here's an example:
"[T]he silent majority has two feelings right now about the current regime. Fear and anger."
Okeydoke, crazy person!
In a statement so illiterate it seems like it was written by Trump himself, Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik says Democrats are doing this because they "cannot beat President Trump at the ballot box." You know, as if we hadn't already beat the shit out of him in the 2020 election, and kicked most of his candidates' asses in the midterms, as if America doesn't jump at every opportunity it has to humiliate him.
Trump himself is babbling that Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg should be arrested for "election interference." As if anybody actually believes this is the only way he could be beaten in 2024.
Greg Sargent makes good points in this tweet, responding to Elon's threats:
Donald Trump is the most hated and laughed at person in the world, perhaps in human history. Indeed, the only thing he may be the best at is being a sad, unimpressive, world-historical loser. Nobody is coming to save that guy.
Sure, he has his die-hard idiots, the ones he appears to be trying to incite into committing new violence for him. The ones talking about creating a "patriot moat" around Mar-a-Lago to prevent his arrest. We will never stop laughing if that happens, but there's no guarantee that even that impotent elite strike force will show up. Nothing is coming that's going to change whatever is on its way for Trump, in the slam-dunk indictment coming from the Manhattan DA or any bigger ones that follow.
Here is the cold, hard truth, at least as far as we reckon:
Most of the world's reactions to a Trump indictment will fall somewhere on the spectrum between shrugging of the shoulders and outright celebration. That's the Overton Window right there. We can talk in other posts about how it's not "good" per se to be living through a time in history when the former US president is being indicted and maybe eventually imprisoned. (This wouldn't be our first time at that particular rodeo if Gerald Ford had had the courage.)
But all the same, we are pretty sure a bunch of MAGA people's sad fantasy bubbles are about to be burst in dramatic and cruel fashion, by all the onlookers who either don't care or see Trump being held accountable as long-overdue justice.
We're afraid we're just going to have to smile and nod at these people who think they can intimidate Americans with threats that if Trump is held accountable, we'll be sorry, because then Trump will be elected Jesus-For-Life, and did they mention you'll be sorry?
And as reality dawns on them, as they watch their savior being hauled away never to rise again on the third day, we're afraid we're going to have to just let them cry it out.
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Is Donald Trump Too Big To Indict?
No.
We've started the countdown to Donald Trump's possible, maybe, but who knows, really perp walk, and I'll hear no lectures from you against schadenfreude. This is gonna be fun. But wait, what if finally arresting Trump for something gives him exactly what he wants? Rick Wilson at the Lincoln Project tweeted, "Donald Trump is highly likely to get the nomination regardless, but I believe the indictments will, in fact, secure it for him because the base will rally."
Bret Stephens at the New York Times said Democrats would "live to regret" indicting Trump. (I'll risk it.) Even former Barack Obama senior adviser David Axelrod warned, "Of all the offenses for which Trump is under investigation, the Stormy Daniels hush money is probably the least meaningful. If he's going to be indicted in any of these probes, this the one he probably would want first to try and color all of them as politically-motivated."
Trump's pants-shitting meltdown this weekend would suggest he doesn't personally see an upside if Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg indicts him for the Stormy Daniels shenanigans. There was no bad-ass Dirty Harry "make my day" declaration, and Trump lacks the patience and skill for an effective "don't throw me in the briar patch" long con.
It's hilarious that Trump supporters can read their mad-MAGA king's all-caps hysterics and seriously believe that he'd stare down Russia and communist China. Alvin Bragg is hardly Vladimir Putin. However, the brother will become a national hero if he busts Trump. Everyone's gonna dance to that hit rap song, "Bragged That Trump Ass." If Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis indicts Trump, the lyric "DA Fani burned Trump's fanny" writes itself. (I'm hardly the rap version of Randy Rainbow, though, specifically because I made that reference.)
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Conservative columnist David Frum tweeted, "Former presidential candidate John Edwards was indicted in 2011 for redirecting other people's money to buy an ex-lover's silence. He was acquitted. Lesson: juries allow leeway for messy personal lives, even if the mess generates a campaign finance violation."
That's a weird lesson. It suggests that after OJ Simpson's acquittal, DAs should've given up on prosecuting men who murdered their wives. Isn't it possible that the Edwards and Trump cases are fundamentally different beyond their superficial similarity? Frum speculated that "prosecutors may think: Edwards was only acquitted because he faced a friendly jury in North Carolina — but Trump can be convicted because may face an unfriendly jury in New York."
Edwards was acquitted on only one charge and the jury deadlocked on the other five. Also, "unfriendly jury" is different from hostile or outright prejudicial. Trump certainly won't receive special treatment, but while the majority of Manhattan voters backed Biden, that doesn't mean Trump can't get a fair trial. Frum's concern trolling here is bolstering the Republican narrative.
Will Chamberlain, who is apparently a lawyer, argued that indicting Trump is, well, just plain mean. He tweeted, "For a democracy to function, the major political parties have a minimum amount of respect for one another Indicting a former President and a current Presidential candidate on ticky-tacky crap is the opposite of that."
Unless Chamberlain suffers from advanced Memento disease, he should recall that former President Trump refused to concede the election he lost, sabotaged a peaceful transition of power during a pandemic, and didn't even attend his successor's inauguration. But it's typical of conservatives to demand one-sided "respect."
Chamberlain added, "As a party and a movement we will have to be unified and ruthless in our response. Every opportunity to perp walk and indict a Democrat will have to be taken. No unilateral disarmament. If Democrats indict Trump they dishonor every Republican."
This is some classic supervillain rhetoric, and it reminds me of the 1980s version of Lex Luthor, who was literally based on Trump. When Luthor callously endangers the lives of innocent people so he can "test" Superman's powers, the mayor orders his arrest and Superman even does the honors himself. This sets off Luthor's unhinged war against Superman. The anti-anti-Trump brigade would argue this war and its resulting collateral damage is all Superman's fault for humiliating Luthor.
Man of Steel No. 4, John Byrne
Man of Steel No. 4, John Byrne
Man of Steel No. 4, John Byrne
Man of Steel No. 4, John Byrne
Conservative Erick Erickson tweeted, "The people who want to lock him up, do not appreciate the backlash to arresting Trump that'll happen." That seems like a threat posing as a prediction. MAGA and those in the anti-anti-Trump contingent believe they aren't responsible for their own actions. If they support a corrupt, criminal sociopath, it's because you forced them do so. Luthor would later keep kryptonite on his person as "protection" against Superman, and when that gave him cancer, he blamed Superman not his own comical ignorance about the dangers of radioactive materials.
Trump should receive the full force of the law that he keeps breaking. We can't let all his huffing and puffing blow down democracy.
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