Well, she did it, people! It was such a great idea of Obama’s to park ex-Gov. Janet Napolitano in the powerless Homeland Security Department, out of all the possible candidates. Now this Republican lady, Jan Brewer, who seems hilarious (Arizonans: share stories!), has signed a bill to destroy her state by making it a misdemeanor to not carry immigration papers around if you look Fishy. Sucks to be brown in Arizona “today.” Enjoy the weekend, the end. [YouTube, Arizona Republic]
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Your paperz, please. Zere are your paperz!
First!
Also, fuck this Nazi bitch.
Dave Weigel said it best. This is the one Big Government bill every messicun-hatin Teabagger racist can get behind.
Missouri: The Show-Me State
Arizona: The Show Me Your Papers State
Isn’t a pretty big percentage of this state Hispanic? Don’t a lot of Mexican nationals (& citizens of the Southern Hemisphere) vacation and visit Arizona?
New state motto of AZ “If they’re brown beat em down, if they’re white they’re alright”
George Wallace looks great for a 90 year old.
Can we give up the south (and southwest) now?
So remember, next time you visit AZ, wear your nice shoes.
It seems like these shitheads can’t decide which civil rights issue they want to be on the wrong side of these days.
I can relax now. She is sure it will be done fairly and legally without discriminatory, uh, points to it. What was I worried about.
The best outcome is for all browns, young people and deomocrats to leave AZ. I think then Arizona will get what it deserves: massive closure of business, hyperinflation, increased crime, loss of tax revenue, etc etc
Somewhere Hitler is smiling.
Great job there, to insure your state wastes tons of money in court defending a law that is quite clearly unconstitutional on its face. Oh, and their should be some nice wrongful arrest suits coming along in the meantime.
I guess Sombreiro sales will massively fall
[re=563386]chascates[/re]: Maybe not so much any more.
“Any state MAY deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; AND deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” There, I fixed it.
Messican. It’s the new blax.
Can we erect a fence up around Arizona, now?
“It also makes it illegal to impede the flow of traffic by picking up day laborers for work. A day laborer who gets picked up for work, thus impeding traffic, would also be committing a criminal act.”
Yeah the *day laborer* is the criminal not the American who is driving the goddamn car that’s ‘impeding the flow of traffic’ and hiring them off the books for less than minimum wage. He’s just a God-ferrin cap-pi-tal-list– yeesirre! Gotta love having people working for you who you can have the cops haul off with no repercussions for you if they ever dare to ask for a raise. It’s bloody AMERICAN.
Also that lady sounds like she has a clothes pin on her nose.
How many times a day will the plot of the Cheech Marin classic “Born in East LA” be played out???
Do I have to carry my long form birth certificate around? Because I don’t think that will fit in my wallet, what with all the Ameros I’ve got in there.
[re=563386]chascates[/re]: Yup. But some people are just more American than others, you know? The rest of you… show me your papers.
That’ll work out great for them when the restaurant and hotel industries come to a screaching halt and all that tax revenue goes away.
Achtung! Wo sind ihre ausweise, du verdampte brau leute?
Is there going to be any backlash whatsoever against this within Arizona itself?
Arizonans aren’t going to racially profile–they’re just going to check real hard to see if someone’s shoes look particularly Mexicany
[re=563386]chascates[/re]: There are also a lot of Native Americans there who are suspiciously furrin looking. You know, with the brown skin and all. Oh the sweet irony of it!
Did anyone ask Brewer for her papers after she signed the bill?
Nazi bitch is a Nazi
@jetjaguar: wear your nice shoes.
Your white skin, also.
[re=563411]mcc[/re]: Well, after the signing, not from anyone who counts.
Okay, the bill “allows law-enforcement officials to arrest a person without a warrant if they have probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense that makes him or her removable from the U.S.”
Well — it’s a good thing the sponsors of this bill aren’t the same people who are always yelling about how President Obama is trying to increase the power of government and destroy our freedom. Because they’d look awfully silly — maybe even to themselves.
She says the police will get special training to be able to identify “properly” who should be profiled. No doubt she’ll pay for that training with the cash she’s saving closing libraries and public schools. But where’s she going to get the money to prosecute all the people they’ll be arresting, not to mention to fight the lawsuits that will be forthcoming?
Oh … they’re just going to SHOOT the people who don’t have papers? I get it now.
I had to get a new drivers license in FL in March. To comply with the crappy new RealID act, I had to take in my birth certificate, a W-2 and two current utility bills to convince the state of FL that I was who I claimed to be, and living at my current address. My reward for all this bullshit was a shiny new license complete with a little symbol on it telling anyone who looks at that my license is compliant, aka “my papers are in order”:
A yellow star.
[re=563411]mcc[/re]: The Rep for my district, Grijalva (one of the few liberals in AZ) is calling for a boycott of the entire state.
I think they should require the legal browns to sew little state-issued identifying patches to their clothing so the police can tell at a glance who is legal and who isn’t. Seems like the natural next step, doesn’t it?
Oh, and I am dying to hear Michael Steele issue a statement on this one.
[re=563412]doxastic[/re]: ‘D’you know what that little girl of mine did last Saturday, when her troop was on a hike out Berkhamsted way? She got two other girls to go with her, slipped off from the hike, and spent the whole afternoon following a strange man. They kept on his tail for two hours, right through the woods, and then, when they got into Amersham, handed him over to the patrols.’
‘What did they do that for?’ said Winston, somewhat taken aback. Parsons went on triumphantly:
‘My kid made sure he was some kind of enemy agent — might have been dropped by parachute, for instance. But here’s the point, old boy. What do you think put her on to him in the first place? She spotted he was wearing a funny kind of shoes — said she’d never seen anyone wearing shoes like that before. So the chances were he was a foreigner. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh?’
1984
It looks like Arizonans are “taking their country back” alright. Right back to the ante-bellum South.
I hope that this law also applies to all the illegal immigrant “snowbirds” that flock to the state and swell the ranks of the Tea Klux Klan.
[re=563424]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: yeah isn’t he getting death threats and shit? Anyway, do me a favor and go down to el guero canelo and pick me up some hot dogs ok?
[re=563423]skaboomizzy[/re]: Oh dear — that’s Frankly appalling.
[re=563425]Tommmcatt[/re]: Little golden sombreros, eh?
[re=563424]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: Ah, sheesh. The news is so upsetting it forced me into link fail… Let’s try again:
[re=563411]mcc[/re]: boycott AZ
[re=563377]G. Friday[/re]: Is this a recent photograph? Ah! Precisely!
Well, this will help the GOP woo teh oldz, especially the old white guys. They need to shore up their appeal to this group. As for teh brownz, well, there aren’t too many — what harm could this do?
[re=563429]germansteel[/re]: Taking their country back from the folks they took it from the first time.
Share stories about Jan Brewer. OK. How about this one? At a news conference with the local U.S. Marshal about a round-up of fugitives, she started going on about food-stamp fraud and no one knew what the hell she was talking about. She just kept reading from her prepared speech and it wasn’t until later that someone from her office informed the press that the state went through the welfare rolls and found the names of about 200 of those fugitives. She was completely clueless that no one else had mentioned the link and didn’t bother to deviate from her speech to do it herself.
http://ow.ly/1Cq4o
Thanks a lot, GOPH.
J. D. Hayworth must be in autoerotic heaven.
Is there a Heaven?
I’d like to think so.
[re=563433]geminisunmars[/re]:
Along those lines. It be helpful if they were required to live in the same neighborhood as well. Less chance of a misunderstanding.
Jesus fuck. How fucking retarded does my state have to get before I can afford to move?
[re=563414]Cicada[/re]: In that regard, I have to say that I am pretty sure that some of my ancestors immigrated here illegally. The ones who came over on the Mayflower, I mean. Did they get a customs stamp? A visa? A green card? I doubt it.
I’ll have to steer clear of Arizona.
[re=563443]tunamelt[/re]: Any time, tuna.
[re=563447]Gopherit[/re]: If you get a nice tan this summer and leave your passport at home, the government might help with your relocation.
I guess Gov Brewer wants to be really sure that anyone who is not blond haired, blue eyed and toothless votes Democratic.
Arizona’s population is nearly a third Latino, and growing. I hope all that are eligible vote, and remember it was the Republicans that pandered to the racists. The only thing that’s saved the GOP (John McCain) is that old white retirees (John McCain?)flock there. That’s slowed down with the recession, and New Mexico is nearly half Hispanic. So, eventually, the Republicans are screwed in the Southwest because they keep reminding these people that they hate them.
[re=563442]Jamie Sommers[/re]: Don’t forget, she’s the only Governor in all of the US with no college degree. That’s right…..she’s dumber than Palin.
Well, it’s afternoon in America. Eff that; it’s all day, every damn day in certain parts of America.
Also, to keep things classy and aboveboard-just like the state of Arizona-it’s worth mentioning that Governor Brewer looks like some stretched out, claymation bitchbot with a horrible straw hat. With bangs. Bitch.
[re=563447]Gopherit[/re]: Get out, now! While you can.
[re=563414]Cicada[/re]: Can we deport them to their reservations?
And this law also imposes very harsh penalties on those who knowingly employ illegal immigrants, yes? Wait, no? Ah, well then, Consuelo, please tell Jorge to stop hiding in the Tuff-Shed and get back to work on those hedges. Of course I’ll be sure to warn him when la migra shows up. Probably. Unless it’s close to payday.
I really can’t wait until they haul in the first Apache some 76 year old sunbunny cracker calls the cops on for suspicion of national trespass. Even though I already know it’s coming, the irony will be thick enough to drive trucks on, and the resulting court case will put the state in fucking receivership, which will make me larf and larf and larf.
Now I’ll never get to see the Grand Canyon.
[re=563434]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: Reading the comments on that article reveal what a fine bunch of folks Arizonans are.
[re=563431]Crank Tango[/re]: Yep, some asshole called twice and said he was going there to shoot everybody in the office, then he said he’d head down to the border and shoot any Mexicans he saw coming across! Hey, Tucson’s a little far, but I can get you a Coctel de Camarones from La Flor de Michoacan.. Num!!
»-(¯`·.·´¯)->Ihre Papieren Bitte<-(¯`·.·´¯)-«
SWAK, Jan Brewer!
as if the police didn’t have enough to do already. you can bet they’re eager to go around busting people who don’t look right. hell, in my town, they don’t even enforce the traffic laws anymore because if they stop someone, there’s no telling what arcane and petty law they might find has been violated. then they have to deal with all the paperwork, and haul the perps to the overcrowded jail so they can be set loose by the overcrowded courts who can’t deal with the load dumped on them by the crypto-nazi politicians out to make everything illegal to distract the dumbfucks (i.e., voters) from their own corrupt behavior.
and now this person with her highly suspicious story that she’s a governor, well, she doesn’t look right. if her papers aren’t in order, there’s plenty of desert in arizona where she can be dropped off.
[re=563462]tunamelt[/re]: You can always bring a passport. You better, being a brown. You can’t be Murikan and not white.
[re=563428]WonderWomyn[/re]: These crazy, frightened old fools are setting up a surveillance state and they are pleased with themselves. ‘Cause it’s fer freedum!!!
I always thought the white people took the land from the brown people, and raped the land of any gold, silver, & gems, etc. they could get their hands on. Were all those books wrong?
Sheesh…I guess Steve Dahl is right, reading is for losers.
[re=563457]Gopherit[/re]: White people have reservations?
Oh, you meant the Native Americans not the “real” Americans who illegally immigrated to their land. My mistake.
@chascates Over 25% of my fellow AZ citizens are latino. A recent poll showed 70% of AZ citizens favor this bill. So, basically, I’m the only white person in AZ to oppose it.
[re=563449]Formerly Preferred[/re]: Don’t worry, if you’re white you’re alright! But if you’re brown, keep your head down. And if you’re yellow, you’ll puzzle the fuck out of the state troopers.
[re=563482]Cicada[/re]: You just hate Murika like the Commie Muslin usurper.
[re=563483]sardonica[/re]: no, I’m white, too.
[re=563449]Formerly Preferred[/re]: Steering clear of Arizona is probably a good rule of thumb in any event.
[re=563470]schvitzatura[/re]:
Messican= the new Juden.
[re=563425]Tommmcatt[/re]: I just posted a similar msg on Facebook. Paranoid Tracey Jordan on “30 Rock” was as prescient as ever: President O brought racism is back with a new vengeance!
I moved to AZ 13 years ago solely to escape the hell that is Oklahoma. Lateral move!
Speaking as a lifelong white guy, caucasians can’t become a minority in this country soon enough for my liking.
[re=563497]sardonica[/re]: fooled you, huh?
[re=563494]problemwithcaring[/re]:
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=73539896233&share_id=121420661205751&comments=1#s121420661205751
[re=563500]Judas Peckerwood[/re]: a fucking men. But they would still somehow find a way to have disproportionate power despite being a minority–see: senate, US and Africa, south.
[re=563425]Tommmcatt[/re]: “Patches?! We ain’t got no patches. We don’t need no patches! I DON’T HAVE TO SEW YOU ANY STINKIN’ PATCHES!”
Aren’t Arizona’s oldest families Hispanic?
I was thinking of visiting AZ this summer. Now I can’t decide whether to renew my passport or just skip it.
First Wonkette predction: John McCain pusses out on weighing in while JD Hayworth gets the bill tattooed on his ass.
PS: My confirmation told me to ‘try not to be too terribly offensive.’ The fuck?
[re=563469]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: mmm camarones sounds good! I can get all sorts of good Mexican food here in the norcal, but I have yet to see those hot dogs. Hot dogs wrapped in fucking bacon, people!
Other than fascism, what does Arizona offer the U.S.?
[re=563454]Gopherit[/re]: Palin can read?
Let’s see what we can do for none conventions in AZ. Wanna see the Grand Canyon, them come from NV or UT, only stay in the Park and then retreat rapidly from AZ.
I lived in that state for three years–my boyfriend got a job there–and I tried, I really did try, to make it work.
I’m now in CA, and he is now my ex-boyfriend.
Sad–sometimes I miss him. But I never miss living in that backwater.
[re=563512]Gopherit[/re]: Dear god…
[re=563523]subo[/re]: Learn to spell, jackass.
AZ is giving OK a strong run for most bassackward state with shit like this.
[re=563527]weejee[/re]: learn to spell, jackass, also too
Arizona makes Oklahoma look like a MENSA state.
Arizona is clearly pissed about Mississippi being the most fucked up backass state and they are trying to knock them off the throne. Well played, Arizona. (w/ apologies to any of you poor bastards that are cool and happen to live in Mississippi.)
This is the GOP strategy to win the hearts of Hispanics. Sweet talkers.
It’s Shakespeare’s birthday.
Too bad it’s punctuated by this law, scrawled in urine-moistened charcoal by illiterate, knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers. Time for gin.
[re=563540]Scandinavian Fetus[/re]: As a fetus, you should know that the “red” states are actually in MENSES.
[re=563516]Extemporanus[/re]:
Oh, yes, indeed. Win.
[re=563483]sardonica[/re]: Make that two.
[re=563397]JMP[/re]: Meh, facial invalidity. Inmates are running that asylum. Of the five Republicans with law degrees in the Arizona state legislature, three of them are Mormons so they don’t even count. FUKKIN STATES’ RIGHTS MAN. Why be bothered with the rest of the Constitution when the 2nd and 10th amendments (or the way you *think* those amendments should work) are all you need to be happy?
Sheriff Joe will take care of everybody, don’t worry your precious little heads…
Well, this was inevitable: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/04/23/20100423arziona-immigration-bill-mayor-gordon.html
[re=563553]Extemporanus[/re]: You are bloody wrong, mate.
The only question is, will the authorities wait until after the national anthem is played at tonight’s Phoenix v. Detroit hockey game to demand green cards, work papers, passports, etc., from the 40+ players and staff, mostly hailing from countries other than this one. Or will they raid the locker room before the game begins? This is a trick question, since there are no browns on either team.
I’m ready for a boycott and waiting for details on how to get started.
But, we can thank Arizona for making sure that 90% of the voters with Mexican or South/Central American heritage will vote Democrat next election.
does this include that Brown guy that fucked up Katrina?
Heckeva job, send em back.
[re=563430]RatFink[/re]: The best part about the law is that it allows for private citizns to sue their PD if they think it doesn’t ‘act with due dilligence’ in rounding up suspicious characters. AZ drivers licences count as proper documentation, but out-of-state licences don’t. The logical conclusion must be that we Tucsonians should sue the snot out of the TPD for not arresting and detaining fat-ass Ohio snowbirds and their blue-haired wives as they drive down Grant Boulevard at 11 mph with their unacceptable IDs. They could be Mexicans! This’ll be fucking awesome.
[re=563397]JMP[/re]: That’s OK with the Mesa troglodytes that run the legislature. As long as they can get out of having to spend state funds on things like education or healthcare, they’re as happy as pigs in shit.
[re=563414]Cicada[/re]: As far as the Maricopa County folks are concerned, this is just a bonus. Man, what a hellhole PHX and the suburbs is…
[re=563483]sardonica[/re]: Three. My otherwise quite reasonable in-laws think this is the bestest idea ever, of course.
[re=563585]Joey Ratz[/re]: isn’t it tucsonaAN, and grant ROAD??? ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL! ILLEGAL!!!
[re=563445]bbqboy[/re]: But home, o sweet home, is only a saying.
[re=563572]bitchincamaro[/re]: Srsly. Boycott the stupid out of Aryan-zona.
Does this mean suburban parents in Arizona will take away the X Boxes and make their lazy-ass teenagers work at fast food restaurants and clean hotel rooms?
AZ is crazy. Imagine being a descendant of one of the old Spanish or Mexican Land Grantees, with residency predating even territorial status, and you gotta produce papers because some cracker doesn’t like your tawny skin tone or your surname. Aren’t there a certain amount of foreign tourists who visit the Grand Canyon, for instance? Get those cops up there busy. This law will bring endless trouble to that State. I’m sure constitutional challenges are being drawn up even as I write this.
Meanwhile, for some inexplicable reason, they’ll enjoy the highest restaurant prices in the nation.
[re=563447]Gopherit[/re]: Here’s the real question: How fucking retarded does your state have to get before you can no longer afford NOT to move?
I had thought this song was totally out of date too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeXGv9QLRc
Shit. What happens if I get a really good tan while on vacation in sunny AZ? Oh wait, if they don’t like brownies, they probably don’t like queers, either.
I would love to see how the libertarians within the Teabagger party react to this legislation. Do Ron and Rand Paul come out against this or do they keep their mouths shut?
Oh, Janet, why’d ya have to lee-hee-heeeeave? Waaaaaaa!
[re=563584]rocktonsammy[/re]: That fucker got a job teaching at my alma-mater. I will never forgive them.
[re=563601]Crank Tango[/re]: Crap! I’ve always said Tucsonian and nobody has corrected me. But it is Grant Road. My bad.
I’m gonna get me some brown shoe polish on my face, a sombrero, and some of those Mexican Illegal shoes I keep hearing Rep. Brian Bilbray talking about. Then I’m gonna go to Arizona, walk around till I get picked up by the cops, and slap a TEN MILLION DOLLAR CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT on those fucking assholes.
“Get them up against the wall…. There’s one smoking a joint and another with spots…. If I had my way, I’d have all of you shot!” (Pink Floyd – The Wall) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkuNI17V0gI
Rep. Loreta Sanchez made a good point just now on Olbermann. She said that this law would discourage Hispanics from cooperating with the police and would thus create a sphere of protection for criminals. Good for them. An un expected fucvk you derived
[re=563540]Scandinavian Fetus[/re]: Does the Governor of Oklahoma have a Uni degree? Perhaps he can help the Gov of Arizona get one of her own…
[re=563617]BobTheBuilder[/re]: You’ll be a pioneer in starting a cottage lawsuit industry for those Americans who desperately need jobs and are a few weeks away from cat food for dinner!!
It will be “the new lottery”.
Additionally, go fuck yourself Bilbray. While your at it have Issa join you. Reps in San Diego county have blown too hard for too long.
[re=563453]M Lite[/re]: “Arizona’s population is nearly a third Latino …” Not only that, but according to the AZ Hispanic Chamber of Commerce: “… median age of AZ Hispanics is 25 compared with 42 for the white non-Hispanic population … The fertility rate for the Hispanic population considerably exceeds that for white non-Hispanics.”
Looking around to define “considerably,” I’d say my neighbors of Mexican heritage have about 2.5 kids for every one of my Caucasian neighbors. (Can you say “Catholic”?) Gov. Brewer better start rounding up healthy Caucasian Arizonans and sending them to some of those German-style Youth Camps, because no matter what kind of laws she signs, the white population isn’t growing. Those oldz who come here just ain’t interested in birthin’ no babies. And the Mexicans have the Virgin of Guadalupe on their side.
Less government my ass.
[re=563543]June Cleaver 2.0[/re]: “This is the GOP strategy to win the hearts of Hispanics. Sweet talkers.” They’ve gone from Southern Strategy to South of the Border Strategy. WIN!
[re=563616]Joey Ratz[/re]: LOL well as a native buffalonian, tucsonan sorta grated on my ears. http://phoenix.about.com/cs/wacky/a/whoarewe.htm
But anyway, could YOU go to el guero canelo and get me some hot dogs? or maybe some rolled tacos w/guac from los betos. Yes, I’m THAT hungry.
[re=563624]Abou Diaby[/re]: how DO you say “stop snitchin” in spanish?
Bearbloke, Gov. Brad Henry of OK is a Democrat, and he’s the only thing standing between their legislature and idiotic legislation like this.
[re=563447]Gopherit[/re]: Moving from AZ was the single smartest thing I did in my life, sorta making up for moving there in the first place. Gallup, Needles or Blythe aren’t great but at least they’re sane and a cheap bus ticket away. Get out now before they start checking ID. Don’t bother with St George, once Utah sees how they’re been out-retarded their legislative retaliation will furious.
Another question for the gov: what happens when la migra arrests the staff in the nursing homes and tosses the olds into the streets?
Arizona makes me glad I live in Connecticut.
Holy shit, did I just say that out loud?
[re=563449]Formerly Preferred[/re]: No they didn’t need one, the Native Americans welcomed them with open arms….doh!
[re=563632]Jukesgrrl[/re]: “I’d say my neighbors of Mexican heritage have about 2.5 kids for every one of my Caucasian neighbors. (Can you say “Catholic”?)”
I’ve always wondered why the Southern Repubs are not eager to embrace their abortion-hating neighbors. There’s the brown-skin part, and the not-English-speaking part, but really I was under the impression that abortion-hating trumped all that.
[re=563634]BarackMyWorld[/re]: less government for the “real” americans, more government for the “foreign” people.
[re=563638]Crank Tango[/re]: Mmmmmm…. Guero Canelo…. Gotta love those Sonoran dogs, not to mention their salsa bar. I trust you saw the Man Vs. Food episode when he swung by to eat those ridiculously overloaded hot dogs? Los Betos is pretty good too, though I swear allegiance to Nico’s myself.
While I didn’t go downtown myself, it sounds like plenty of anti-bill protesters did. Lots and lots of people with “Legalize Arizona” t-shirts walking round the neighbourhood right now.
[re=563654]Sharkey[/re]:Rove understood that and Shrub pretended he did too. They tried to sell immigration reform but their party refused to buy. Apparently Repukes are like horses. You can lead them to water but you can’t make them drink.
Isn’t every Arizona citizen required to ingest peyote? Clearly Mrs. Brewer needs to be questioned regarding this lapse of attention to local culture.
Also, I’m curious what her unmarried name is, anybody know?
[re=563412]doxastic[/re]: Yep, it’s the shoes.. because, in Mexico City, if your shoes aren’t polished, you are nobody, muchacho…
Does anyone know the current state of the “Alien Gang Removal Act” in Arizona?
[re=563629]Bearbloke[/re]: According to the Holy Wikipaedia (pbui), Gov. Henry is also a sekrit mooslin who forced his legislators to convert to Oklahoma-state-sponsored Islam, at sword-point – so thank Allah Henry’s in place to keep a bit of a lid on teh crayzee coming from his Jeebus-humping state lawmakers!
Sieg Heil Yall!!!
[re=563629]Bearbloke[/re]: According to the Holy Wikipaedia (pbui), Gov. Henry is also a sekrit mooslin who forced his legislators to convert to Oklahoma-state-sponsored Islam, at sword-point – so thank Allah Henry’s in place to keep a bit of a lid on teh crayzee coming from his Jeebus-humping state lawmakers!
Fuck Arizona and everyone who lives there.
Does this mean they will have to arrest Obama and send him back to Kenya if he enters Arizona?
First, as someone stuck in this god-foresaken hell-hole, don’t say fuck you to me for this awful piece of shit legislation. I abhor it as do others who happen to be forced to live here. Damming all living creatures in this state is probably understandable given this heinous piece of legislation that is the most horrifying example of everything wrong in this country today. Still, don’t damn all of us for being innocent hostages in a state full of evil assholes. Trust me, if I could get out of this piece-of-shit state I would.
[re=563657]Pandy[/re]: And if there’s one thing repugs can do, that’s shitting all over the Constitution. Next time I drive to Vegas, I’ll take the nice scenic route around Arizona (I’m a brown skin!!) .
[re=563386]chascates[/re]: “Don’t a lot of Mexican nationals (& citizens of the Southern Hemisphere) vacation and visit Arizona?’
Well, they used to.
[re=563671]Bearbloke[/re]: The dipshit who is cited in that article is my legislator–my district. I worked my ass of for his opponent, though that guy was a nitwit, too. Maybe not as big a nitwit as Duncan.
This law reminds me of the law in the antebellum south, where blacks who had been freed had to carry papers proving it. There won’t be any abuse of this law when Officer Bubba decides to fuck around with the browns.
ists wonkette comment im not stupid i cant type
blues i live in iowa not bigots just ignorant
So, how many degrees of regression is this for Arizona, now? You guys are giving the Deep South a run for its money, for sure.
BTW, I proposed in ironic and sardonic protest for every hispanic Americans in Arizona, and all those that sympathize with them traveling there, to wear huge, comical sombreros. Oh, and if you’re brave, through on a pancho for added effect.
BTW, THIS is why I was always uneasy (ok, PISSED) that Obama was culling the ranks of sitting Democratic senators and governors for his cabinent and other seats. If you’ve looked at all of the ones he’s picked from, only one or two are polling to be safe for Democrats. Really, he had to have known this. Taking Sebelius out of Kansas, Napolitano out of Arizona, Salazer out of Colorado…etc. Really, dude?!
Arizona: America’s Jerusalem.
[re=563429]germansteel[/re]: Sehr gut.
[re=563429]germansteel[/re]: Ante-bellum? Which bellum? Pre-1854 NM was part of Mexicanstan, i.e. belonged to the now suspect brown people.
Time to change course and demand that the Anglos produce their own birth certificates. Iowa? Is that in or near Malaysia or Canadia?
Para la raza.
Is it just me, or does Lady Jane Brewer look like an honest-to-god Chucky doll? Only in Arizona can the Secretary of State be second-in-line for the governorship. Really, how fucked up is that?
This is a great law. It prohibits sanctuary cities, and takes federal law verbatim and makes it Ariz. state law. If you’re illegally here, and you get stopped for blowing a red light, or drinking in public, the cops must now use a reasonable means to determine your federal immigration status if they suspect that you’re here illegally. What’s wrong with that? I’m not racist or prejudiced, I just hate law-breakers and those who sneak across the border illegally. And no, I do my own housework and yard work. And who’ll pick the lettuce? Someone, no one, or a machine. Either way, keep ‘em legal.
Defending this law from incursion by the feds will be an excellent use of taxpayer funds.
[re=563730]throwdown[/re]: “I’m not racist or prejudiced …”
Err … ahem … ummm ….
[re=563723]LowerdPeninsula[/re]:
She grows old, she grows old,
Wearing the bottom of her wattles rolled.
Chiropractor, also.
[re=563665]Sharkey[/re]: Ha ha, ‘Drinkwine’. Yes, Drinkwine married Brewer.
And, while we’re on the subject, [re=563730]throwdown[/re]: AZ has too many fucking harsh laws to begin with–case in point, I went to get a twelve pack of beer one December night in 2007, forgot to turn my lights on as I was leaving the convenience store (whoops!) and was stopped by police literally across the street from where I lived at the time–my address was in the 17600 block, they stopped me at 17400. They told me I had my lights off and then saw the 12 pack in the back seat. They ended up giving me a whole field sobriety test, for which I was actually compliant. I ended up being charged with driving “impaired to the slightest degree” (basically under the legal limit) because I had a few beers beforehand. I didn’t have even as much as a speeding ticket on my MVD record prior to this incident. Because of AZ’s wonderful recently enacted zero tolerance law, I was ordered to 10 days jail (9 suspended) which is basically a day and a half in holding, $2000 in fines, license was suspended for 90 days, and had to attend DUI meetings and defensive driving classes at my own expense. But wait, here’s the kicker–I had to install an ignition interlock (mandatory!) on my car for an entire year at my expense.
Thanks, Arizona for being a total goddamn police state!
[re=563730]throwdown[/re]: HAHAHAHAHAHA. It’s ok, you don’t have to explain yourself, bruh. We get it….we get it.
[re=563748]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: Would have been far worse under ObamaCare. Then you would have lost your freedoms.
[re=563747]S.Luggo[/re]: Dare to eat a jalapeno pepper, also?
Si tu boquita morena,
Fuera de azúcar de azúcar, perra pazguato,
Quiero pasar mi tiempo
cagando en él.
Ay, ay, ay, ay,
Llores y no canta
[re=563753]S.Luggo[/re]: True, true. The gubmint wouldn’t have given me a car under ObamaCare.
If they really do drive the Mexicans from Arizona, who will wipe their asses for them? Or do the other work?
[re=563691]DustBowlBlues[/re]: [re=563386]chascates[/re]: Many Mexicans visit AZ solely to shop; they spend money and lots of it. When I worked at a furniture retailer in Tucson, about 25% of my customers were from Sonora or Sinaloa, Mexico … and not only did they pay cash, they took care of the delivery arrangements themselves. And I’m not talkin’ a chair or an end table. I mean whole HOUSES FULL of furniture. Many of the manufacturing jobs that crossed the border pay well and the wives of factory managers read design magazines picturing stuff you just can’t get outside of Mexico City or Guadalajara. And even with delivery expenses it’s cheaper here.
The Christmas shopping season will also be a bust in Tucson without our neighbors. In mid-December Mexican employers are legally mandated to pay each employee an aguinaldo — a pre-Christmas bonus of at least two weeks’ pay. From an article in the Tucson Daily Star: “‘I buy everything [in Tucson] that’s necessary for Christmas: clothes, toys, shoes,’ [Nora] Montes said … [she] also had four shopping lists from other people that she was crossing off. … Shopper Pedro Ignacio García Saavedra said, as he emerged from Ross Dress for Less, that it’s still worthwhile for him to come to Tucson to shop. “Even after paying for gas, a hotel and tolls, it is still cheaper here,” García Saavedra said.
Gracias, Gov. Brewer. Adios to all that!
It’s settled. No more Arizona Ice Tea in this household!
[re=563763]Jukesgrrl[/re]: I predict bus tour junkets going as far to Calexico, CA and Las Cruces, NM, for the aguinaldo windfall purchases. Time for some enterprising property management folks to open outlet malls in those locations (if they do not already exist).
Mexican version of Amazon.com, anyone?
Waiting for the reggaeton version about post-passage Senate Bill 1070 Phoenix: “Valley of the Sun City”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk6ye17lqBo&feature=related
I’d suggest that the brown peoples go out and buy a set of white truck nutz and put it on their wheels. Law enforcement types will think that you’re just another honky with a tan.
Me wonders whether Lord Haley Barbour’s fiefdom is next up on the hatin’. He is running for Emperor, er President, whatever. Needs some issue to demagogue.
[re=563414]Cicada[/re]: You can be sure that Mexican-haters got no use for Indians, either!
Believe it or not, there are actually a few of us whites who are appalled by this law, and several other recent ones. We’re just not as loud as the rest of them.
I love this state… It’s the fucking people I could do without.
BTW… Roger Cline (a guy who sings a lot of positive songs about Mexico/Messicans) is doing a free concert this evening in Prescott. I’m planning on wearing a kilt. I look forward to being asked for my Scottish passport.
[re=563759]zhubajie[/re]: And there shall be a law in 2012 whereby no brown person shall permanently leave the state before wiping no less than 20 caucasian asses.
[re=563610]Crank Tango[/re]: Thanks CR, I was waiting to see if someone would throw out the PE gem.
[re=563654]Sharkey[/re]: Apparently you are wrong. Abortion hatin’ is just a club they joined; hatin’ the browns is genetic.
[re=563404]WonderWomyn[/re]: In other news, you’re not gay if you’re the one pushing. You knew that, right?
[re=563730]throwdown[/re]: The problem is you don’t have to have been stopped on the pretext of violating another law for the cops to check your immigration status. Now the cops don’t even have to claim to have seen you blowing a red light to demand your papers.
[re=563763]Jukesgrrl[/re]: Heh, that’s why some of us southern Californians used to like Tijuana, back before free-trade agreements and militarized drug cartels. Cheap stuff!
But it’s interesting how your comment points up that illegal immigration can never be a black-and-white issue. Parts of AZ’s economy (and CA and TX, for starters) depend on the boost they get from people crossing the border to earn and spend money. I’m sure business owners don’t mind even the illegals doing that when they have cash burning a hole in their pockets.
What next? In addition to carrying their immigration papers around (or birth certificates, if they were actually, you know, born here), will the Brown Folk of Arizona soon be required also to wear armbands with Taco Bell logos on them?
This is a brilliant plan because-
1)Anybody more than a whiter shade of pale will stay far, far away from the state as to avoid harassment, doing wonders for Arizona’s tourist trade and other parts of their economy.
2)It’ll just take one person to be pulled over under false pretenses for a law suit to be filed and after five or six or ten people all file law suits, Arizona will be facing a kajillion dollars worth of lawsuits which should also do wonders for their budget.
3)When Hispanics do become the majority in Arizona, well, retribution bitches.
[re=563708]LowerdPeninsula[/re]: Obama taking those three into his cabinet was one of the dumbest things he’s done. Napolitano could have actually won a Senate seat in Arizona and, even better, taken down McCain at the same time. But, alas….
[re=563434]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: “Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US because of illegal aliens. This law will only open the floodgates to tourism and an improved economy. Grijalva is a traitor and should be immediately dealt with accordingly.”
NO BROWNS ALLOOOOOOOOWED
[re=563651]loquaciousmusic[/re]: Next time, just say “New England.”
[re=563794]imissopus[/re]: “I’m sure business owners don’t mind even the illegals doing that when they have cash burning a hole in their pockets.”
With the economy being what it is, I didn’t care who bought furniture or where they got their money. I had Caucasians pay in cash, too, and I never asked what that white powder was that was falling off their crumbled-up fifty-dollar bills. But the store is out of business now, thanks to leveraged buy-out assholes, so I don’t any cash to worry about, clean or dirty.
[re=563423]skaboomizzy[/re]: I’ve been able to avoid the Mark of the Beast RFID chip on my passport so far. If and when I do get it, I will probably leave it in my pocket when I throw my pants in the washing machine. Maybe whack the chip with a sledge hammer a few times.
[re=563500]Judas Peckerwood[/re]: Probably a lot of Hispanics think they are blanco already.
hahaha here is an idea I just posted on dailykos, and I bet I will get flammed pretty good for it–
instead of boycotting AZ, we blockade it. like in europe, when they stone cold set up big tire fires on the highway and shut that shit down. I have no idea what the point of it would be, but jesus it sounds like fun.
Butherface?
[re=563459]Snarkalicious[/re]: How *would* the Apaches react? I know that Sioux, at least, don’t let White people push them around.
Went to grad school at ASU in 90-92. (My only significant stint outside the Northeast.) AZ is literally the most beautiful state in the union, and I met a wide variety of really interesting people. My general impression was really favorable, with one exception: after 5 years or so the relentless heat begins to drive people there slowly, but inexorably, insane. (Interestingly, native born Arizonans seem to have a better resistance to this, but since last I looked people born outside AZ are the majority of the state’s population, that is a small mitigation.) What was weird is that in 90-92 Arizonans seemed to be much less bellicose on the topic of Mexican immigration than many of their northern counterparts, recognizing just how important Mexico was to Az’s economy. Now? Look, its just not healthy to subject some old dude from Ohio to endless days of 98 degree heat: it does things to them.
Thank you governor nazi bitch for driving home the fact that republicans are anti anybody-who-ain’t-english-speakin-white-folk and are especially hateful toward Hispanics.
Dems…can you say permanent majority?! heh
I find it amusing that they don’t realize that the entire issue if illegals working here is the result of their beloved free market. The invisible hand is slapping them hard about now…
[re=563827]Maxfretless[/re]: Thank you. It is a beautiful state, and I will always love it for that. Since there apparently are about the same amount of jackasses per capita anywhere I go, loving the place is important. As for the heat, I went for the higher elevation, and it is quite tolerable where I live.
Had a respectable-sized protest in my community yesterday, and a smaller one today. I hope they continue daily until this abomination is struck down in court. It’s easy to say “blockade the state”, but that, too, would be hurting our latino population, and we’re already hurting enough from the economic downturn.
Gesh.
How DARE the government of the State of Arizona do anything to enforce the laws governing immigration?
Don’t those IDIOTS know that they should just “sit there and take it” when the federal government does nothing to enforce the laws that are on the books, thereby putting the lives and property of the citizens of Arizona at risk?
What is more important: Stopping murderous drug smugglers and controlling the border? Or pandering to the Hispanic vote and to the employers who exploit a workforce that, thanks to NAFTA and drug use in this country (mainly by “progressives”), has no jobs or hope back home in Mexico?
Those STUPID Arizonians don’t seem to realize that the rest of of the country (e.g., we Wonketteers living in D.C., NY, and even LA) have the right to “channel” illegal Mexican immigration through Arizona, and then do virtually nothing to police the problem.
Those DESERT DOLTS also don’t realize that we also have right to throw labels like “racist” and “bigot” around when Arizonian politicians try to respond to the concerns of their voters. We all know democracy doesn’t work: Why don’t the citizens of Arizona? (“Citizens” as in “legally eligible to vote.”)
Arizona should follow the example of Nevada, ably represented by the Speaker of the House. When the rest of the U.S. needed a place to store nuclear waste, did Harry Reid raise any concerns about the Yucca Mountain project?
What?
He did?
He got it cancelled after about 20 years work of work, and billions of taxpayer dollars?
And we don’t have any place to store nuclear waste, or any intelligible plan to do so?
Really?
Oh.
Hmmm.
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[re=563831]Neilist[/re]: I don’t believe that you are this fucking stupid. People aren’t angry about this law because it targets illegal immigration. They are angry because the half-assed language of the law makes the harassment and arrest of legal U.S. citizens more likely if they look like a Mexican. The shitty language of the law makes implicitly forces profiling by skin color, plus it allows every Joe Schmoe in AZ to sue the cops if he thinks they aren’t doing their job right.
Law enforcement groups in AZ hate this law. They lobbied against it because they knew they would be put in the shitty position of trying to interpret the insanely vague language while avoiding being sued for racial profiling. Oh yeah, and if they don’t arrest enough brown skinned folks they can be sued too. Good times!
This was a horribly written law. They should have called it the “AZ Lawyers And Document Forgers Employment Act” because that’s what it is.
[re=563831]Neilist[/re]: Oh yeah, and people of Hispanic or Latino descent make up ~30% of the population of legal citizens in AZ. So, according to this law, it is now the responsibility of the state police to try to distinguish between the legal 30% and possible illegals. Or they can go the other route and try just randomly asking people for documents and end up tossing a bunch of white folks in jail because they left their wallet at home. I’m sure that won’t cause any problems whatsoever.
It is a badly written law. The people who wrote it and supported it were either really, really stupid or didn’t care that the result would be that legal residents of their state were going to be targeted because of their skin color.
[re=563831]Neilist[/re]: Yeah, but why won’t Lindsey Graham come out of the homo closet?? I think the gal’s gonna pull a Bud Dwyer at a presser but with a Liza Minnelli number instead of a gun. Hey man , nice chaps!
[re=563830]sardonica[/re]: A good point: the concentration of what we now call wingnut did drop considerably north of the Mogollon Rim, at least when I lived there. A fellow student once told me of an exchange she heard at a Flagstaff bar: a Navajo got drunk and loudly announced to the bar that “One day the red brothers are gonna rise up and take back Arizona! Except for Phoenix; you can have Phoenix.” I never could quite understand why they built the biggest city in the state in its lowest, hottest spot. Glad to hear about the protests. This is tough to watch, really, because almost all my memories of Arizona are fond ones.
[re=563833]Cicada[/re]: Why can’t you believe Neilist is this fucking stupid? He’s Neilist, for cryin’ out loud. He seems to think this law is aimed at controlling the border somehow, which it’s not; you have the wingnut militias to do that.
Not to mention that he misidentified Harry Reid as Speaker of the House and implied that the Rio Grande borders Arizona. If he wasn’t throwing out bullshit to piss off the Wonkerrati I’d be worried about him.
He’s right about the drug use, though. Why oh why can’t us progressives follow the lead of our fair nation’s rednecks and only do drugs we cook up ourselves in the kitchens of our double-wides?
[re=563838]imissopus[/re]: Eh, Neilist may love riling up the Wonketteers but he tends to present cogent arguments most of the time. I am honestly baffled that anyone could fail to recognize what a horribly ill-conceived piece of shit this law is. Well, unless they’re racist d-bags, but I’ve never gotten that vibe from Neilist.
Sorry, this law passing actually made me ill. It’s been making me even more ill to hear people defend it, as though this is a sane way to try to stop illegal immigration. I have lost my sense of humor at this point.
[re=563839]Cicada[/re]: don’t be sorry. you done good. I have been wondering if I was taking it too hard, but you reminded me I’m not.
LOL OK maybe blockading the state is a stupid idea, but it’s better than boycotting petsmart.
but on the upside, this is gonna get a lot of people really motivated for the immigration reform fight, and that is a good thing in the long run. I’d like to believe hopey planned it like this, but I doubt even he is that good a chess player.
oh yeah, trucknutz, in soviet union immigration reforms you, something, assfucking, also.
[re=563839]Cicada[/re]: Sorry, if you’re not getting that vibe, it’s because you’ve suspended your disbelief. Neilist is a punk, plain and simple.
[re=563748]Smoke Filled Roommate[/re]: You know, China is a notorious police state, but you are perfectly to walk down the street with a open bottle of beer in your hand. If you stagger a bit, nobody cares. If you puke in the street from a bit too much, nobody cares. If you take a leak against a building, nobody cares much.
I’m wonderin’ how this is gonna work seein’ as though they just passed an anyone can conceal or openly carry a pistola w/o registerin’ said pistola.
Legal messican lookin’ folk walking along minding their business when out jumps a group of plain clothed Po-Po “seein’ somethin’ suspicionous” that only plain clothed Po-Po can see (ie. ghosts, visions, unicorns, and absolutely nothing).
Just a wonderin’.
21st Century: The Age of 10 karat crazy.
…. shoulda added , shucks by goshdarnit, the legal messicans are carrying concealed pistolas.
Wonderin’ how that encounter would play out?
[re=563485]Cicada[/re]: If you are yellow, you can remind the trouper that your bank is paying their salary.
[re=563708]LowerdPeninsula[/re]: Sometimes shit doesn’t get fixed if it just sits, stinking up the vicinity. People take notice only when it gets tossed in the fan blades. Toss it in the air, make people decide once and for all whether they want it sticking to them.
good morning, peeps, glad and lucky i am to be here. i had occasion to strike out across arizona territory by private motor vehicle yesterday morning. what i thought would be a quick and simple trip of a few hours via interstate turned into a nightmarish day-long voyage through hell.
i stopped in winslow to get gasoline and a bite. i was standing on a corner when a flat-bed ford carrying paunchy civilians in a mixed array of camo clothing and armed with a mixed array of hunting and paramilitary weaponry slowed down to take a look at me. the truck stopped and a half-dozen of these patriotic fellows (and a girl, my lord!) jumped out and surrounded me. my offense? my yellow star was safety-pinned to my jacket, not firmly sewed on as the newly-passed racial laws require.
these guardians of the great chasm state took me to their headquarters shack, where they stripped my clothing from me, produced a long, dirty needle and a ball of fishing line, and sewed yellow stars directly onto my flesh on various parts of my naked and trembling body. the pain was excruciating and the humiliation irreparable, but when they were through with me and turned me loose, i was grateful just to be alive.
this morning i have crossed the border into new mexico, where angelic curandera is ministering to my wounds and gently removing the yellow stars sewn onto me by the arizona paramilitary patriots. wish me godspeed, wonketteers, i am safe here in the land of enchantment, between the rock of arizona and the hard place of texas.
[re=563410]tencentcomic[/re]: I guess you mean “verdammte braune Leute”. I recommend the translator at http://www.google.com/ig
Arizona was well on its way to becoming Thunderdome years ago. What with Sheriff Joe so busy creating photo op immigration raids (much to the annoyance of and interference with real police work in neighboring cities) he couldn’t get a handle on drug trafficking or violent crime and all the ignorant bozo’s out there who inexplicably supported his sorry ass because “all our problems stem from illegals,” it’s no surprise this passed. Lots of Koolaid drinkers in the Valley of the Sun, including my own sister who’s mantra is ‘there are no innocent people in Sheriff Joe’s jails.’ Actually, since jail residents are still awaiting trial and haven’t been yet been convicted of anything, they are all technically innocent, but who cares about pesky details when mindless rightwing bigotry is so much fun? Hope they devoted lots of budget money to the police department. What with a vast majority of the populace in Arizona looking slightly (or very) Hispanic (or at least sort of brownish), the cops are going to be very busy checking paperwork. Serve ‘em right if this law only manages to spawn a growth industry in forged documents.
Maybe crazy but wouldn’t the issue of illegal immigration be eased if they increased the limits on immigration from Central and South American countries? Then people would not sneak into the country because they would be approved for immigration. Or is it just that some people in the United States REALLY just don’t like other cultures? If so, I wonder why some people from the United States immigrate to countries like Mexico to take advantage of the cheaper cost of living? Same people, same culture, right?
Will the Arian certificate of my grandparents do in Arizona?
[re=563831]Neilist[/re]: Huh? Arrest anyone on the suspicion that they might be illegals and have everyone else carry “papers”. Better not get a tan! That 70% approval got me thinking, where did they dredge that number from? Why none other than The Rasmussen Reports poll who surveyed likely voters in Arizona to see whether they would back the new bill. That rascal Rasmussen is so darn trustworthy, not a Republican operative at all…
[re=563833]Cicada[/re]: Much as I hate to get all logical on you: The “law” is facially neutral, e.g., it does not reference any specific extra-U.S. nationality. Admittedly, it may be “discriminatory” as enforced. But that requires an analysis of the fact the problem in Arizona, and the Southwest generally, is illegal immigration by Hispanics. (Last time I checked, Phoenix was not being overrun by waves of Chinese or Indians (the Bobby J. kind, not the Tonto kind).
Taken to its logical conclusion (as a reductio ad absurdum), your position amounts to a claim that, in any jurisdiction in which some arbitrary number (your +/-30%?) of citizens fall into a certain ethnic group, enforcement authorities (state or federal) cannot question any member of that group about immigration status. At the risk of appearing to engage in your kind of ad hominem name-calling: The third word of the rhetorical description accurately describes your “reasoning.”
The potentially more viable legal issue is that of federal preemption. This, however, reduces to an argument that state law enforcement officials cannot enforce (or at least detain and/or arrest) for primae facie violations of federal law. Although it has been some time since I have had to deal with preemption, that does not sound like a viable argument. But don’t let that get in the way of your Moral Outrage.
[re=563836]El Pinche[/re]: Lindsey Graham in the closet with a hot Latin Catholic altarboy whom he has dressed as Poncho Via. Lindsey is in the process of extracting revenge on “General Via” for the latter’s “Raid on Columbus.” (Gesh, do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you people?)
And I am a racist dirtbag — at least when it comes to bog-trotting Irish-American Catholics. You know, the kind who fought with the Mexskins at the Battle of Buena Vista? (Speaking of hot altarboys: We shipped a six-pack of angelic Irish lads off to the Pope a couple of months ago. No thank you note; no mention at Mass; nothing. Ungrateful Nazi bastard. ::::Grumble::::)
[re=563838]imissopus[/re]: You got me on the Reid as Speaker thingy. (“A touch! A touch! I do confess it!”). It’s no excuse, I know, but I was in a hurry to get out of the office to go to a fundraiser at Lucy’s El Adobe of a film about the Dali Lama and Thomas Merton re world peace. (“He’s a big hitter, the Dali!”) And no, I’m not making that up — much as I wish I was.
Anyway, I have tremendous trouble telling politicians apart. Reid is the effeminate “leader” who looks like a ex-pug after bad plastic surgery and wears a dress, right? Or is that Pelosi?
(Oh, and the current President is, from the continuation of prior policies, a better-spoken mulatto version of George H.W. Bush, right? Speaking of which: We’re out of Iraq by now, right? So all my friends can come home? You know, like Barry O’Bama ((*&%%ing Irish) promised?)
But the “Rio Grande” thing was one of the . . . whatdayacall it . . . synecdote thingies. You know, “Specific Border River” for “Class of Border River”?
Or maybe “Colorado River” for “Mud-Filled Ditch That Hordes of Mexskin Illegals Can Walk Across Like The Vandals And Alans Did When The Rhine Froze In 406-407 A.C.E. And Said Hordes Invaded The Roman Empire”?
[re=563846]LowerdPeninsula[/re]: Punk. Whatever. I know it’s frustrating to have one’s arguments demolished by the facts, law and logic. You’ll get over it . . . if you’re not overrun by said Hordes of Vandals (in this instance, “vandal” as in “Gangbanging Taggers Armed With Cans of Spray Paint and The Occasional Glock 9mm.)
In closing to all: You can make fun of Arizona, but there is a place in Prescott (J&G Sales) where you can get AK series “assault rifles” for about 1/2 what the cost here in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia:
http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/rifles/ak-47-and-rpk-rifles/cPath/209_214
Not that anyone in their right mind would want a POS AK when you could waste the money on a H&K 401 or something else German.
But it’s the Principle of The Thing. And I know how much Wonketteers believe in principle.
Or principal ($$$).
Whatever.
Either way, even an AK would come in handy if the Rio Grande (or Colorado) or Rhine River freezes, and those Meskins learn how to ice skate . . . .
“VIVA VIA!”
(Whoops. Sounds like Senator Graham as reached “closure” on the “bill.” (If the kid’s name was William. Or Guillermo. Whatever . . . .)
My wife and I DID see the writing on the wall in Arizona and rode the underground railroad East to Alexandria, VA last month. Not a moment too soon it would appear. What shocks me is the reaction I’ve heard from what I thought were fairly middle of the road people back home. They all LOVE this fucking thing! I’m truly speechless, perhaps for the first time in my life…
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: Just cuz you’re a dick, I am going to correct your spelling…it’s Villa…not Via.
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: Hmmmm… I think the vandals just want their country back, no?
[re=563884]mookworthjwilson[/re]: and Pancho Villa at that. But really, why do we bother?
[re=563833]Cicada[/re]: Actually, I’m at least a little angry at this law for targeting illegal immigration. Really, you can’t have it both ways. If you (and by ‘you’ I don’t actually mean ‘you’) like your so-cheap-it’s-actually-illegal labour, then … legalize it. The whole topic of “illegal” immigration makes me a bit pissed off; it strikes me as yet another example of blaming the most desperately poor for being that way, and damning them for not fitting the stereotype of the poors as lazy welfare bums.
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: No, the law is problematic because it says police can demand identification from anyone provided they have “probable cause”, but then doesn’t define what “probable cause” actually means. So far, proponents of the bill have made ridiculous claims that probable cause won’t = skin color, but are unable to describe what other possible criteria there could be.
There is plenty of legal precedent that has found racial profiling to be unconstitutional. The people who wrote this law have failed to define how this law is enforceable without using racial profiling. The outcome of this is that it is very likely this law will be struck down. Oh there was one guy claiming that police could use the type of shoes a person was wearing as “probable cause”, which is hilarious. It also points out how ridiculous the law as written is. If you have to grasp at “just question everyone wearing huraches”, you’re already admitting defeat.
You know what would be an effective way of stopping (or at least slowing) illegal immigration? Targeting employers. AZ has laws on the books, but the enforcement is sporadic. It would have been more logical to up the enforcement in that area than to pass a law that will likely be struck down after the first legal challenge. The AZ pols who pushed for this law have no doubt made a crass political calculation that they could position themselves as strong on illegal immigration and then protest that “activist judges” are working against the people of AZ. Those pols should be keelhauled for wasting taxpayer money on the inevitable lawsuits that this law will spawn, but they probably won’t be.
[re=563887]sezme[/re]: Oh, I agree with you. I wish we were honest about the role that illegal labor plays in keeping costs low for everyone else. And it is despicable that we scapegoat illegal immigrants while supporting the infrastructure that keeps them coming here. Ugh, and the fact that anti-immigrant laws often make it easier for employers to exploit their illegal workers is awful. I just don’t think the fundamental problem with this law is the targeting of illegal immigrants. It’s the racial profiling issue.
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: Really, why don’t you just go an have an unfortunate accident while cleaning/playing with one of your lovers, already? And by lovers I mean guns. You’re the personifcation of misery mixed with ultra-cynicism, mixed with pure and utter sociopathy. In other words, you’re a giant, human shit-stain.
Arizona has opened my eyes to the dangers that illegal immigration brings to our country. Even we in the Midwest are not safe. While walking through Mitchell Airport in Milwaukee today, I saw thousands of white people speaking English, any (or all) of whom could have been illegal Canadian immigrants. Is nowhere safe?
If Arizonans are innocent they have nothing to fear, in cases where “innocent” is taken to mean “Caucasian.”
So have they rounded up all the Messicans yet?
Russell Pearce and his (Mormon) cohorts in the state legislature KNOW that there is a simple way to avoid being profiled based on your dark skin color….become Mormon and your skin will get lighter….I shit you not….google “white and delightsome” and you will see what I mean. He is now hard at work on a resolution to make Arizona an honorary member of the Confederacy so we can fly the hate flag over our Capitol too…just cause we were late to the party why should we be denied access to such a powerful way to express our contempt for non-whites (his thinking goes).
[re=563827]Maxfretless[/re]: This is Colorado giving you and Arizona the finger. From 14,000 feet above sea level. Don’tcha know.
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: Oh, I figured you meant the Rio Grande as a synecdoche, but I had to tweak you on something so I wouldn’t be tempted to get into name-calling. Except for calling you fucking stupid. I stand by that one. As to a couple of your other points:
But that requires an analysis of the fact the problem in Arizona, and the Southwest generally, is illegal immigration by Hispanics.
Being a Southern Californian, I think the Southwest in general has a lot of problems that have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. They make a convenient scapegoat. Unemployment is high? All the illegals must be taking our jerbs! It’s bullshit and I think you’re probably smart enough to know that. Are law firms in L.A. shedding lawyers because they can hire illegals to do it cheaper? Are tech companies firing engineers because Hispanic migrants know more about Perl?
Sure, you can make an argument that illegals are a burden to the system in some way. But the US has over 300 million people, of which maybe 11 to 12 million are illegal immigrants. How many of those 11 or 12 million are in the Southwest? Really, I wish people would take a deep fucking breath on this.
We’re out of Iraq by now, right? So all my friends can come home?
I for one don’t believe you have any friends. But assuming you do, Barry promised during the campaign that he would draw down in Iraq but ramp up in the AfPak region. He has done exactly that. Ray Odierno publicly stated just last week that we’re on track to have all combat troops out of Iraq by September. Granted that will still leave about 50,000 or so “noncombat” troops in-country and those soldiers won’t be out until the end of 2011, and of course who knows what will happen between now and then…but the point is, Barry said draw down and we’re drawing down.
[Y]our position amounts to a claim that, in any jurisdiction in which some arbitrary number (your +/-30%?) of citizens fall into a certain ethnic group…
That’s not an arbitrary number. The Census Bureau estimates the Hispanic population of Arizona at 30.1% as of 2008. You can see for yourself here: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/04000.html
I know it’s frustrating to have one’s arguments demolished by the facts, law and logic.
You have done no such thing simply because you continue to misrepresent what this law does. It’s not simply a tool for law enforcement officers to question the immigration status of someone they have arrested for prima facie violations of the law, federal or otherwise. As Cicada said, it means that police can demand proof of citizenship from anyone at anytime if they have probable cause. This will require any Hispanic (or really anyone who has an accent) in the state to carry their immigration papers with them at all times, just in case some racist cop looking to make his monthly arrest quota wants to make trouble.
Personally, I’d argue this law could violate the equal protection clause. You know, “No state shall…deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” By putting in place a law that will require certain people to produce on demand to law enforcement authorities proof that they are actually legal citizens of the country, you are creating a separate and unequal class, even if the people in that class are naturalized citizens and therefore afforded the same rights and privileges afforded those of us natives. The Supreme Court historically has strictly scrutinized laws where that classification is based on race or non-citizenship.
Yeah yeah I know, the law is “facially neutral.” But we all know at whom it is mostly aimed, you all but admitted that yourself, and it’s not outside the realm of possibility that a judge or panel of judges would consider that no matter how the law is written. Even still, if the classification is based on non-citizenship then race really will be beside the point, as technically it gives the cops the authority to demand proof of citizenship from anyone talking with an accent, even if that person is white.
That to me sounds like a reasonably viable argument. But don’t let that get in the way of your eternal need to sneer at people and generally make an ass of yourself.
[re=563880]Neilist[/re]: You should start a blog!
In Soviet Union blogs starts you!
Good gawd, Yanks! After reading this post, I’m once again so very glad to be in a country that celebrates national cohesion (in the form of ANZAC Day yesterday, plus “ANZAC Monday” today), instead of a country trying to tear itself apart…
[re=563932]Bearbloke[/re]: Wait, so you guys celebrate a military offensive which you guys lost?
[re=563936]LowerdPeninsula[/re]: This is different from Confederate History Month in what way, exactly?
So why hasn’t Governor Brewer shown her birth certificate to prove her citizenship?
Dear Arizonan Business-owners,
New Mexico welcomes you! You can make it the border in a few short hours. Stay under the speed limit, though. Those AZ traffic cops were assholes before they were given license to racially profile, and they’ll stay assholes even after the courts have taken that license away.
Neilist: Ugly racist with a dick/gun/inferiority complex that loves to google with the wikipedia to support butchered, bizarre pseudo-history metaphors.
Did I cover everything? I believe I used Fact and Logic, so therefore I post.
UNCONSTITUTIONALLY VAGUE. The end.
Supporters of the law deny that it’s racist. This is how to prove it: Europeans who want a free trip home should outstay their visa and visit Phoenix, AZ. Then walk past the police. Before doing so they should have someone video them holding up their expired visas and then leaving all papers with the videographer. The illegal immigrant (white) should talk loudly in their European language and see if the police ask them for their papers. If the police do not ask them for documentation of citizenship/legal residence then the police department can be sued under the provisions of the law. If the immigrant is stopped then they get a free plane ride home. Warning: do not do this if the European country that you come from is Spain, where they speak Mexican. You will be put on a bus to the Caca-hole warzone of Nogales, Sonora. If Arizona starts deporting Europeans back to Europe then American-born white people can get free trips to Europe by walking in front of Arizona cops with no identification and speaking a foreign language. Black people could use this to get a free trip to Africa by speaking Swahili – just don’t speak Somali. Just remember to have a friend mail your passport to you.
[re=563896]Cicada[/re]: You’re right on – and much closer to the source of the problem than I ever hope to be.
The new laws of our Palin led America will mandate immigration papers for Hispanics and long form birth certificates for all African-Americans.
[re=563932]Bearbloke[/re]: Who fuckin’ asked you? Go back to marginalizing Maori’s or building statues to Peter Jackson or whatever it is you second class english people do…
[re=563457]Gopherit[/re]: The native americans might just return to the rez to get away from the crazy white people. The Navajo I knew when I worked in New Mexico just rolled their eyes when whitey droned on about “illegal immigration”.
surfacenoise76: “Aren’t Arizona’s oldest families Hispanic?” They’re Spanish descent – big difference, they get offended if you call them Mexicans or Latinos. Of course, to crackers they’re all brown people.
Jukesgrrl: Implement Stephen Colbert’s plan to breed teh oldz in captivity (he even showed footage of oldz in cages, breeding, a few weeks ago)
In this situation, I am glad the Hispanics are doing their patriotic duty to outbreed the young crackers. Also, I hope many more of AZ’s hispanic population will now get politically active and run for office.
Also, don’t boycott the huge Navajo Rez in northern AZ. You can enter it directly through Four Corners, and spend your money there on Navajo owned businesses, tours, hotels, &c, and have a great time without going into white AZ. Support the local tribe and boycott the racist white mutherfuckers!
If you are here illegally you are breaking the law. Why is it that no one complains about having to have your passport with you in Mexico or Europe, but its a bad bad thing here?
[re=564119]Catholics4Condoms[/re]:
walking past an officer is not grounds for his investigating anything. You must be stopped for some other reason… You havent even read SB1070
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If a democrat doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a democrat is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a democrat is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
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A democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches
channels.
democrats demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A democrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.(Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
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A democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.
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