Can A Man Beat Trump? Some Democrats Wonder If It's Worth The Risk!


Democratic voters say that more than anything, they want to beat President Donald Trump in 2020. But some worry that means putting their hope of electing yet another male president on hold.

"The last white male Democrat to get >50% of the vote was JIMMY CARTER. Imo we just can't chance it with another white man," said noted Twitter user Abby Spice-Danvers.

"Considering that every single *losing* presidential candidate has been a white man except for one (the lady who got more votes than any white guy ever) I don't understand how 'electability' is a white man's game," said publicity specialist Leslie Hermelin, "If the data tells us anything it's that for every white man who wins, there are scores of others who lose."

"Also," she added, "the last time Democrats elected a white man as president it was the mid '90s. We have folks voting for president today that weren't even born then!"

And she is not alone in her thinking. In conversations with dozens of Democratic primary voters — men and women — across several states, voters told Wonkette that Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote in 2016 made them rethink how willing Americans are to vote for a man for president, especially when pitted against Trump. For some, the risk of four more years of a Trump presidency is not worth another attempt to put another white guy in office.

"I wish I could believe a man could beat Trump in 2020, but I just don't know if America is ready. Everyone I know is pretty done with men," one Twitter user told me in a direct message, "I think it's time to get Warren or Harris in there and really clean things out. Maybe we can give men a chance again in like a decade."

"After so many failed male presidencies, can we feel safe putting another man in the oval?" asked Chicago writer Julia Weiss.

"Men seem pretty divisive. And SO prone to identity politics. I mean, they can take ANY subject and turn it back to 'what about men,' said Rowan Beckett-Grigsby of Washington. "I don't think that kind of singleminded focus and constant invocation of the victim card is doing them any favors."

Many voters across the nation are just not sure that they would. And even if they feel comfortable electing another man, they have to wonder if the rest of the country is willing to go along with them on that. No one can say for sure.

The Facebook page Man Who Has It All recently polled its subscribers, asking them if they would ever be able to vote for a man. Only 12% of the 10.9K people who voted said yes.

It sure looks like it's going to be an uphill climb for any of the men in this race.

Is this all -- or mostly -- in jest? If you say so. You could also say it's "in response to an article published on yesterday titled, 'Can a woman beat Trump? Some Democrats are not so sure.'"

NBC set up a premise and found four women from four different states in order to demonstrate that "voters across multiple states said that they recognize the 'electability' question is often unfairly aimed at women running for office — but stressed what they said was a need to be realistic." I stole their premise. And I stole their language.

Democratic voters say that more than anything, they want to beat President Donald Trump in 2020. But some worry that means putting their hope of electing the first woman president on hold.

"I can hardly think about it. It makes me sick thinking about how nasty this could get for a woman," Marianne Mason said, clutching her stomach as she waited for Sen. Kamala Harris of California to arrive at a town hall event at the University of Iowa on a recent Wednesday night. "How are they supposed to rebut someone like Trump? I want to see a woman in the White House, I really do. But I just don't know if it can happen against him."

Mason, 67, of Iowa City, is not alone in her thinking. In conversations with dozens of Democratic primary voters — men and women — across several states, voters told NBC News that Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016 made them rethink how willing Americans are to vote for a woman for president, especially when pitted against Trump. For some, the risk of four more years of a Trump presidency is not worth another attempt to break the final glass ceiling for women.

Who the hell decided this shit was necessary and why? Who is it helping?

The gist of this article is to persuade people into believing that they are better off voting for the man they can settle for over the woman they actually want. That this is the smart thing to do -- and look at all the people out there who agree with it! Voters! Across the nation! Clearly, this is the popular wisdom that will define this election.

It is, unfortunately, not all that hard to create "popular wisdom." If you say something over and over again, people eventually believe it and then repeat it themselves. It's how things that are not true become "true." It is how Paul Ryan, an idiot, became a "policy wonk."

If there were as many articles that looked like the first half of this post as there have been that looked like the NBC article, the "popular wisdom" around this race might look a lot different. If all of the articles about the candidates focused exclusively on their policies and their ideas, that might change the conversation as well.

If we want people to be "ready" for a female president, we must stop going around asking if people are "ready" for a female president. Take it off the table entirely. Stop "just asking questions" that are in fact loaded questions.

I'm gonna get a little inside baseball here, folks, and tell you something completely obvious -- you can use this kind of formula to write an article on literally anything.

If the internet has taught us anything, it is that if you can think of an opinion, you can find at least three people to go along with you. Then, all you need to do is phrase your opinion in the form of a question, get some quotes from those people, refer to them as a monolithic or mostly monolithic group and BOOM, there's your article -- and it's not an op-ed anymore, it's an objective, reported piece. Your opinion is no longer just your opinion, it is the opinion and it is sweeping the nation!

And "the people" need to know.


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Robyn Pennacchia is a brilliant, fabulously talented and visually stunning angel of a human being, who shrugged off what she is pretty sure would have been a Tony Award-winning career in musical theater in order to write about stuff on the internet. Previously, she was a Senior Staff Writer at Death & Taxes, and Assistant Editor at The Frisky (RIP). Currently, she writes for Wonkette, Friendly Atheist, Quartz and other sites. Follow her on Twitter at @RobynElyse

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Once upon a time... about ten years ago, a group of entirely ridiculous men burst onto the scene wearing stupid hats and telling men that wearing stupid hats and telling men that walking up to women in bars and insulting ("negging") them would get them laid. This did not last long, as women also had televisions and computers and were completely aware of these tricks as well, so when some ass came up to us in a bar and said "Hey, nice nails, are they real?" we would laugh and laugh and loudly announce "Oh my god, this guy just tried to neg me! Can you believe that shit? HEY EVERYONE, THIS GUY JUST TRIED TO NEG ME!" and then refer to him as "Mystery" the whole night.

Most of the men who tried that shit only did so a few times before realizing that it wasn't going to work, and thus moved on to other things. Perhaps things that did not involve furry hats and coming off as a huge creep. We may never know, because I would assume that those who tried it are now extremely embarrassed and would never, ever admit to this to us.

Still, there were a few men willing to eat that shit up, as well as some grifters willing to take advantage of that. Said grifters tended to be extremely misogynistic and seemed more like they were teaching men how to be as despised by women as they were than teaching them how to actually be liked by women.

Some of them, like Roosh V, a creepy weirdo who actually does live in his mom's basement, actively encouraged men to rape women who were intoxicated to the point of being obviously unable to consent.

However, even that branch of the PUA tree is wilting away. Many "self-help" style PUA forums like Nextasf and RSDnation are shutting down or have already shut down. In March, Chateau Heartiste, a batshit crazy PUA turned White Nationalist/Alt-Right blog was shut down by Wordpress. This week, rape advocate Roosh V (whom you may recall once called yours truly a "Wonkette typist/clown face, would not bang") announced that he was renouncing his PUA ways and devoting himself to Jesus. He explained to the forum he manages that he would no longer be allowing anyone to discuss premarital "fornication."

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'Baby Geniuses' star Jon Voight took to Twitter early this morning to proclaim his undying love for Donald Trump, probably because there is no one left in his life who will listen to him talk about this, or anything else, in person. In this video rant, Voight encouraged members of the Republican Party, whom he apparently thinks are the only real citizens of the United States, to stand by Donald Trump and "acknowledge the truth" that he is the best President since Abraham Lincoln.

Part ONE:

People of the Republican Party, I know you will agree with me when I say our president has our utmost respect and our love. This job is not easy. For he's battling the left and their absurd words of destruction. I've said this once and I'll say this again. That our nation has been built on the solid ground from our forefathers, and there is a moral code of duty that has been passed on from President Lincoln. I'm here today to acknowledge the truth, and I'm here today to tell you my fellow Americans that our country…

Oh no, not our absurd words of destruction!

Part DEUX:

is stronger, safer, and with more jobs because our President has made his every move correct. Don't be fooled by the political left, because we are the people of this nation that is witnessing triumph. So let us stand with our president. Let us stand up for this truth, that President Trump is the greatest president since President Lincoln.

Does Jon Voight not know there have been... other presidents? Can he name them? Because really, it does not sound like it. Does he also not know that a very big chunk of the Republican Party actually does not care very much for Abraham Lincoln? Namely those defenders of Confederate statues that Trump called "very fine people?" Also, did he intentionally diss their beloved Ronald Reagan?

Who can know? Who can even tell what he is trying to say or why he is trying to say it. He doesn't appear to have tweeted much since 2016, so I'm guessing whoever's job it was to keep him from tanking his career quit. Either that... or after filming the seventh season of Ray Donovan, he found out it's going to be canceled or his character is getting killed off or something and he is now free to be a jackass? I don't know, I haven't watched the show, although my parents are very into it and mad that I haven't watched it. Literally all I know about it is that it has something to do with Boston, because they keep mentioning that to me like it's a selling point.

It seems useless at this point to note that the people who scream their faces off about how bad it is for Hollywood celebs to support liberal causes, and how they should keep their politics to themselves, etc. etc. make a way bigger deal than normal people do whenever a Big Time Hollywood Celebrity like Jon Voight or, uh, Scott Baio, supports their cause. Mostly because they're the only ones who have elected a reality TV star and the star of Bedtime for Bonzo (who by the way, also once practically ruined a perfectly good Bette Davis movie with his bad acting. Which is not to say that Dark Victory is not fantastic and probably the best thing to watch if you want to sob your face off, but he was very bad in it.) to run the country.

But we might as well do that anyway, because it actually never stops being funny.

[Jon Voight Twitter]

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