What exactly would “state-sponsored atheism” actually look like? Big buildings run by the government where people could gather to NOT pray to any deity? Tax-exempt status for charitable groups which forced aid recipients to NOT be proselytized at? Schools which got state funding for NOT indoctrinating children? Oh the humanity!
On a daily basis, I'm overjoyed that Hobbs, Mayes, and Fontes won the Arizona Governorship, AG, and SOS. They were squeakers, in spite of the fact that their opponents were utter nutters (KARI LAKE, ABE HAMADEH, and some dipshit with a cowboy hat whose name I can't remember). We were SOCLOSE to batshittery.
Also, if you need a list to remind you not kill anyone, or covet anyone, and to respect your parents, you've got issues.
Funny how Republicans use "science" against transgender people despite science saying it exists while ignoring science about abortions or vaccines. Then adopting the pro choice stance of my body, my choice on abortion as an excuse to refuse to wear a mask, get vaccinated, or social distance during a pandemic that killed over a million people in America. But ignoring the my body my choice part of abortion rights.
These goopers must be some of those weirdos who check out the packages of other occupants of public restrooms and locker rooms. Or else they get their talking points from 20 years ago through some sort of time warp.
Are they proposing that we have some sort of restroom or locker room monitors who check people's packages when they enter? 'Cause that would be weird AND creepy.
What bureaucratic steps did they want to implement? A test? Schedule an appointment and go out with a state trooper to show you can turn right on red without fucking it up?
Perhaps they're talking about a certification on your license that you can successfully identify right from left. That'll involve additional steps by the clerk, and additional training on those new steps.
Probably for the children. Those who do survive the number one killer of Americans under 18, guns, still have to deal with the terror of the intersection.
The GOP legislature is committed to blocking anything that causes even the slightest inconvenience to drivers. They seriously are extremely het up and convinced the no-right-on-red thing is the first domino that will result in THEM taking ALL OUR CARS away.
Notice how it's always worry about trans women ("biological males can be considered females if they ‘feel’ like they are"), never about trans men. Wanna shut these bigots up? Show them a picture of Buck Angel (don't google that at work!) and ask if they would feel comfortable forcing him to use the ladies room next to their daughters and wives.
Geezer story: When I was a kid in the early 70s, I, a cis-gendered heterosexual male, was in a dorm-exchange program with the women's college down the road, and lived in a dorm that had been built for women, with women's bathrooms only, no yoo-RHINE-als (as the brits call 'em), lidded wastebaskets for used sanitary napkins, the works. Students were assigned to rooms randomly, not 'co-ed by floor' or some nonsense.
So the right's NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!1!11! came to life -- we all used the same bathrooms! Boys and girls peed in the stalls right next to each other! And the boys were NOT transgendered women, we were actual boys who wanted to have sex with the girls, and on much-too-rare-occasions, actually did!
Nothing. Happened. it all went fine. I don't remember ever hearing any stories of bad stuff in the bathrooms, even though I lived over there for three years (hey! That's where the women were at!). It was great.
A friend started college in the summer semester on a special program.
Since there were so few on campus at that time, everyone was housed in a single dorm, a men's dorm, segregated by sex by floors.
Many of these young ladies had never seen a urinal before and had no idea what they were for. My friend, somewhat more worldly apparently, told them they were special sinks for washing their hair without tying up a shower.
There are lots of non-gendered public bathrooms in Europe. All stalls, no waiting. Works because there are a lot less hangups about sex over there, IMO.
There are also outdoor urinals all over Amsterdam, that really only shield the lower half of the body, so you can make eye contact with the drunk and stoned guy taking a leak by the Herengracht...
I was in a men’s room in Keene, NH, and I says to myself, “Where’s the urinals?” Then I says to myself, “Oh, it’s probably so trans men can pee in any position they want to, without feeling shamed. That’s cool.” Then I peed in a stall, and I DIDN’T TURN INTO A WOMAN. Wierd.
"The Ten Commandments bill was the brainchild of state Sen. Anthony Kern..."
As he's one of the fake electors, I'd say that the "Thou Shalt Not Steal" Commandment has been kicked to the curb by him. Nice that Katie Hobbs drop-kicked his stupid, hypocritical bill.
"Sadly, Katie Hobbs’ veto is a prime example of Democrats’ efforts to push state-sponsored atheism while robbing Arizona’s children of the opportunity to flourish with a healthy moral compass."
lol. it's even easier to make a utilitarian case for morality than a religious one.
also, perhaps fake electors shouldn't be bitching about other people's morality or lack thereof.
"Mr. Blanche, you're losing all credibility, you're losing all credibility with the court," Merchan said at one point. "Is there any other argument you want to make?"
Sen. Anthony Kern (R-Glendale is one of those unfortunate people whose parents were incapable of teaching him their faith, and his church inept at doing the same. He has not bothered to write the Commandments on his heart, as Scripture demands, and therefore he needs a Giant Cheat Sheet, and believes everyone else does, as well.
Very good point. What good does having them written and displayed do if you cannot think about them and understand the meaning of them?
It's also important that they are sins not because they anger God (only the four of them are really) but because they hurt other people. Don't hurt your parents. Don't hurt your spouse by cheating on them. Don't murder other people in your tribe (formal war with other tribes is not considered murder.) Don't hurt other people by taking their stuff without permission. Don't hurt other people by lying to authorities to get them in trouble. (Little white lies to keep the wheels of society greased that specifically do NOT hurt people's feelings are occasionally allowed, I learned as an adult. Nuance!) Don't think about how someone has nicer stuff than you to the point that it makes you sick. (That's really just hurting yourself.) That includes being jealous of their partner.
The much more generic and flexible Golden Rule that IS taught explicitly in most schools - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - covers all of that!
And it lets you discuss the nuance of jealousy, theft, and hurting other people, without having to explain to children what adultery is.
You go, Madam Gov ! She pays attention. XD
Ta, Dok. Woohoo, Katie Hobbs!
What exactly would “state-sponsored atheism” actually look like? Big buildings run by the government where people could gather to NOT pray to any deity? Tax-exempt status for charitable groups which forced aid recipients to NOT be proselytized at? Schools which got state funding for NOT indoctrinating children? Oh the humanity!
"What exactly would “state-sponsored atheism” actually look like?"
It actually looks exactly like anything that is not their own narrow interpretation of one book.
On a daily basis, I'm overjoyed that Hobbs, Mayes, and Fontes won the Arizona Governorship, AG, and SOS. They were squeakers, in spite of the fact that their opponents were utter nutters (KARI LAKE, ABE HAMADEH, and some dipshit with a cowboy hat whose name I can't remember). We were SOCLOSE to batshittery.
Also, if you need a list to remind you not kill anyone, or covet anyone, and to respect your parents, you've got issues.
Wasn't the dipshit with the cowboy hat the one that did the campaign ad that was basically an ode to his gun?
It gave off a we really need to check this guy's crawlspace vibe.
I don’t remember that but it’s possible. It goes with the hat in his brain.
Funny how Republicans use "science" against transgender people despite science saying it exists while ignoring science about abortions or vaccines. Then adopting the pro choice stance of my body, my choice on abortion as an excuse to refuse to wear a mask, get vaccinated, or social distance during a pandemic that killed over a million people in America. But ignoring the my body my choice part of abortion rights.
So does the ERA need to be rewritten to refer more granularly to gender rather than to sex?
I would be surprised if AZ signed on to that
How can these people be against trans people when God is always depicted wearing a flowing dress???
https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=834,quality=80,format=auto/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20211002_BKP002_0.jpg
These goopers must be some of those weirdos who check out the packages of other occupants of public restrooms and locker rooms. Or else they get their talking points from 20 years ago through some sort of time warp.
Are they proposing that we have some sort of restroom or locker room monitors who check people's packages when they enter? 'Cause that would be weird AND creepy.
“tossing out a bill that would have added extra bureaucratic steps before any municipality could ban motorists from turning right on a red light”
This is an affront to God He wants us to turn right on red!!
What bureaucratic steps did they want to implement? A test? Schedule an appointment and go out with a state trooper to show you can turn right on red without fucking it up?
Perhaps they're talking about a certification on your license that you can successfully identify right from left. That'll involve additional steps by the clerk, and additional training on those new steps.
Probably for the children. Those who do survive the number one killer of Americans under 18, guns, still have to deal with the terror of the intersection.
Wait…don’t they WANT people to turn right…?
It's turning away from Satan, who is always pictured as being red. Why does Katie hate God?
JFC.
The GOP legislature is committed to blocking anything that causes even the slightest inconvenience to drivers. They seriously are extremely het up and convinced the no-right-on-red thing is the first domino that will result in THEM taking ALL OUR CARS away.
Notice how it's always worry about trans women ("biological males can be considered females if they ‘feel’ like they are"), never about trans men. Wanna shut these bigots up? Show them a picture of Buck Angel (don't google that at work!) and ask if they would feel comfortable forcing him to use the ladies room next to their daughters and wives.
It's all fucking projection, as usual.
You might enjoy my comment that just posted.
Geezer story: When I was a kid in the early 70s, I, a cis-gendered heterosexual male, was in a dorm-exchange program with the women's college down the road, and lived in a dorm that had been built for women, with women's bathrooms only, no yoo-RHINE-als (as the brits call 'em), lidded wastebaskets for used sanitary napkins, the works. Students were assigned to rooms randomly, not 'co-ed by floor' or some nonsense.
So the right's NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!1!11! came to life -- we all used the same bathrooms! Boys and girls peed in the stalls right next to each other! And the boys were NOT transgendered women, we were actual boys who wanted to have sex with the girls, and on much-too-rare-occasions, actually did!
Nothing. Happened. it all went fine. I don't remember ever hearing any stories of bad stuff in the bathrooms, even though I lived over there for three years (hey! That's where the women were at!). It was great.
A friend started college in the summer semester on a special program.
Since there were so few on campus at that time, everyone was housed in a single dorm, a men's dorm, segregated by sex by floors.
Many of these young ladies had never seen a urinal before and had no idea what they were for. My friend, somewhat more worldly apparently, told them they were special sinks for washing their hair without tying up a shower.
At some point they caught on.
Sounds like how MY college education began @ the same time as you!
I'm going to my 50th reunion this year, and seeing as how there were something line 160 guys in my graduating class, it's not a cattle call.
There are lots of non-gendered public bathrooms in Europe. All stalls, no waiting. Works because there are a lot less hangups about sex over there, IMO.
There are also outdoor urinals all over Amsterdam, that really only shield the lower half of the body, so you can make eye contact with the drunk and stoned guy taking a leak by the Herengracht...
I was in a men’s room in Keene, NH, and I says to myself, “Where’s the urinals?” Then I says to myself, “Oh, it’s probably so trans men can pee in any position they want to, without feeling shamed. That’s cool.” Then I peed in a stall, and I DIDN’T TURN INTO A WOMAN. Wierd.
Have you had that fact confirmed by a professional? I would suggest the nearest Republican congresscritter.
I prefer single occupancy lockers. Cuts down on the riff-raff while one smokes a spliff.
"The Ten Commandments bill was the brainchild of state Sen. Anthony Kern..."
As he's one of the fake electors, I'd say that the "Thou Shalt Not Steal" Commandment has been kicked to the curb by him. Nice that Katie Hobbs drop-kicked his stupid, hypocritical bill.
"Sadly, Katie Hobbs’ veto is a prime example of Democrats’ efforts to push state-sponsored atheism while robbing Arizona’s children of the opportunity to flourish with a healthy moral compass."
lol. it's even easier to make a utilitarian case for morality than a religious one.
also, perhaps fake electors shouldn't be bitching about other people's morality or lack thereof.
someone else is having A Day.
"Mr. Blanche, you're losing all credibility, you're losing all credibility with the court," Merchan said at one point. "Is there any other argument you want to make?"
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-trial-new-york-first-witness-david-pecker/
"State-sponsored atheism" lol if you don't declare my tiny bigoted god the only god then you're saying this is no God.
Nope. Mr. Kern, God doesn't need you or your dumbass laws.
Sen. Anthony Kern (R-Glendale is one of those unfortunate people whose parents were incapable of teaching him their faith, and his church inept at doing the same. He has not bothered to write the Commandments on his heart, as Scripture demands, and therefore he needs a Giant Cheat Sheet, and believes everyone else does, as well.
Very good point. What good does having them written and displayed do if you cannot think about them and understand the meaning of them?
It's also important that they are sins not because they anger God (only the four of them are really) but because they hurt other people. Don't hurt your parents. Don't hurt your spouse by cheating on them. Don't murder other people in your tribe (formal war with other tribes is not considered murder.) Don't hurt other people by taking their stuff without permission. Don't hurt other people by lying to authorities to get them in trouble. (Little white lies to keep the wheels of society greased that specifically do NOT hurt people's feelings are occasionally allowed, I learned as an adult. Nuance!) Don't think about how someone has nicer stuff than you to the point that it makes you sick. (That's really just hurting yourself.) That includes being jealous of their partner.
The much more generic and flexible Golden Rule that IS taught explicitly in most schools - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - covers all of that!
And it lets you discuss the nuance of jealousy, theft, and hurting other people, without having to explain to children what adultery is.