We're going to suggest an official motto for the Trump Administration: "That Probably Could Have Gone Better." It just seems to fit so many situations, like the healthcare bill dying twice before pissing everyone off, Trump's First Military Fuckup, the Great Big Syria Revenge Bombing, the Obama Wire Tapp, pleasing Democrats by firing James Comey for being mean to Hillary Clinton...
"If nonviolent protest was so effective in the 60s, why are we being ruled by a fascist? "
The electoral college. In every other civilized country the winner of the popular vote wins the election. Trump won because of 80,000 votes in three states. That would fit in the Rose Bowl and leave 12,000 empty seats.
"What the fuck makes you think that the "violent left" narrative is driven by any behavior of anybody on the left, violent or otherwise? "
I'm not referring to "the violent left." I'm talking about people who think that the response to everything should be a march or rally (which are then predictably co-opted by antifas and anarchists.)
"Do you really think that Devos (who may or may not have brought federal Leos for protection) is in the same position as Milo and Coulter (who absolutely did bring sa cosplayers for protection)?"
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about tactics. Milo and Coulter love to play the victim and big screaming mobs feed their need for attention. IMO, a better protest would be to buy up as many of the tickets as possible and let them speak to an empty hall or do what these students did and turn their backs. So yeah, take note, Berkeley.
So, now there are a few reasons not to take you at all seriously. I'll start with the most obvious and move on to the others as needed.
You are suggesting that people who already paid tuition, if the school administration has invited speakers which make some of them feel unsafe, should spend _more of their own money_ to protest. College students, who are known for the size of their bank accounts and the number of their stock options.
At my daughter's graduation from high school and from college her real diploma was usually mailed to her. The thing they give them on stage was just for show.
Of course the students at Bethune Cookman also had all of those issues to deal with and they still managed to protest in a way that didn't turn DeVos into a free speech martyr. There's nothing stopping the students at Berkeley from doing a GoFundMe or work with campus groups or alumni to pool some money and buy tickets. But that's not as much fun as having a big ole march is it? People like Milo and Coulter keep trolling Berkeley because the response is predictable. The unwillingness to even consider other protest tactics or do even the tiniest bit of strategizing is going to be the thing that eventually gets people hurt or killed.
Also notice that you've moved on to personal attacks? That why many on the left make such lousy allies. It their way or the highway and those of us who don't fall in line get 'splained at.
Oh, this is absolutely delicious. Specific quote where I personally attacked you, or STFU and GTFO. If it soothes your butthurt, I can edit the first sentence to replace "you" with "your arguments". I would still defend the position that a person who makes so many ridiculous arguments is not worth taking seriously, but it's not germane to the content. I don't consider that a personal attack in the slightest.
But, like I said, if it makes you feel better...
Why in the world do you think that Berkeley students should, in any way, participate in giving Milo or Coulter money? These people think that many of them are not entitled to basic human rights. Why is gathering money via GoFundMe less offensive than paying from their own pockets? I mean, your suggestion is not that different from blackmail - "pay us, or we will show up at your workplace and call you disgusting subhumans".
Rational hamster is not very rational, details at 11.
Apparently you didn't read beyond my comment to which you replied. SnarkON rephrased the comment and I replied, "Sorry. I misinterpreted your comment to mean you thought they were using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world. I'm all for "a finely tuned bullshit radar." 'I may have my faults, but I am able to do something Trump and his administration is incapable of doing - admit I made a mistake.
Actually my comment that you OMG'ed was a response to your comment' "Did you know they wanted to go there, with other blacks, and not where white people didn't want them? It's true. So brave." Are you stating as fact that they are using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world?
I think she's just dumb, like her boss. With being who she is, what she's done, and what she plans to do to the public education system, how could she possibly expect this crowd to welcome her warmly, and give respect to what she's going to say?
"I'm going to smile and politely explain just how badly I'm going to fuck up education in this country, and you're going to politely smile and nod, because you're all grownups now." What utter bullshit.
All I can say is W...T...F... This Jackson feller is a peabrain, which I guess qualifies him to be president of something or other in this day and age.
The No U President
Do you watch the news? Betsy DeVos ring a bell. So stupid.
OMG you people are so dense. Betsy DeVos anyone?????
"If nonviolent protest was so effective in the 60s, why are we being ruled by a fascist? "
The electoral college. In every other civilized country the winner of the popular vote wins the election. Trump won because of 80,000 votes in three states. That would fit in the Rose Bowl and leave 12,000 empty seats.
"What the fuck makes you think that the "violent left" narrative is driven by any behavior of anybody on the left, violent or otherwise? "
I'm not referring to "the violent left." I'm talking about people who think that the response to everything should be a march or rally (which are then predictably co-opted by antifas and anarchists.)
"Do you really think that Devos (who may or may not have brought federal Leos for protection) is in the same position as Milo and Coulter (who absolutely did bring sa cosplayers for protection)?"
I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about tactics. Milo and Coulter love to play the victim and big screaming mobs feed their need for attention. IMO, a better protest would be to buy up as many of the tickets as possible and let them speak to an empty hall or do what these students did and turn their backs. So yeah, take note, Berkeley.
These people have their heads so far up their asses that the concept of "down" has no meaning.
So, now there are a few reasons not to take you at all seriously. I'll start with the most obvious and move on to the others as needed.
You are suggesting that people who already paid tuition, if the school administration has invited speakers which make some of them feel unsafe, should spend _more of their own money_ to protest. College students, who are known for the size of their bank accounts and the number of their stock options.
Maybe they should use some of that Soros money.
At my daughter's graduation from high school and from college her real diploma was usually mailed to her. The thing they give them on stage was just for show.
Of course the students at Bethune Cookman also had all of those issues to deal with and they still managed to protest in a way that didn't turn DeVos into a free speech martyr. There's nothing stopping the students at Berkeley from doing a GoFundMe or work with campus groups or alumni to pool some money and buy tickets. But that's not as much fun as having a big ole march is it? People like Milo and Coulter keep trolling Berkeley because the response is predictable. The unwillingness to even consider other protest tactics or do even the tiniest bit of strategizing is going to be the thing that eventually gets people hurt or killed.
Also notice that you've moved on to personal attacks? That why many on the left make such lousy allies. It their way or the highway and those of us who don't fall in line get 'splained at.
Oh, this is absolutely delicious. Specific quote where I personally attacked you, or STFU and GTFO. If it soothes your butthurt, I can edit the first sentence to replace "you" with "your arguments". I would still defend the position that a person who makes so many ridiculous arguments is not worth taking seriously, but it's not germane to the content. I don't consider that a personal attack in the slightest.
But, like I said, if it makes you feel better...
Why in the world do you think that Berkeley students should, in any way, participate in giving Milo or Coulter money? These people think that many of them are not entitled to basic human rights. Why is gathering money via GoFundMe less offensive than paying from their own pockets? I mean, your suggestion is not that different from blackmail - "pay us, or we will show up at your workplace and call you disgusting subhumans".
Rational hamster is not very rational, details at 11.
Apparently you didn't read beyond my comment to which you replied. SnarkON rephrased the comment and I replied, "Sorry. I misinterpreted your comment to mean you thought they were using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world. I'm all for "a finely tuned bullshit radar." 'I may have my faults, but I am able to do something Trump and his administration is incapable of doing - admit I made a mistake.
Actually my comment that you OMG'ed was a response to your comment' "Did you know they wanted to go there, with other blacks, and not where white people didn't want them? It's true. So brave." Are you stating as fact that they are using a predominately black college to hide out from the real world?
I think she's just dumb, like her boss. With being who she is, what she's done, and what she plans to do to the public education system, how could she possibly expect this crowd to welcome her warmly, and give respect to what she's going to say?
"I'm going to smile and politely explain just how badly I'm going to fuck up education in this country, and you're going to politely smile and nod, because you're all grownups now." What utter bullshit.
God, I hope so.
I once looked up some Roman hysterical figures on ancestry.com and followed them backwards all the way to Chaos. Hah!
All I can say is W...T...F... This Jackson feller is a peabrain, which I guess qualifies him to be president of something or other in this day and age.
"...and she [DeVos] agreed that we need to find a way to address all of this."
Ah, ha! Got it!!!! Tax cuts for the rich should do the trick!
~ DeVos, on the flight back
I'm proud the students didn't resort to flinging bricks and dog poo at her noggin.