I agree wholeheartedly. And of course it is hypocritical. But they are 1. religious zealots and 2. only care about their bottom line. That said... I think siding with this family sets a very dangerous precedent for fetal personhood. If an organization can be found liable for contributing to the death of a fetus, so can any woman seeking reproductive healthcare in the form of an abortion. Whether it is due to medical implications for the mother or the fetus, or simply a woman does not want to be pregnant. I understand the need to stick their hypocrisy in their faces, but in the long term it will do more harm than good.
“So, in the interest of not paying a woman who is suing them for actions she believes led to the death of her unborn child any more money than that, attorneys representing CHI and MercyOne Hospital are arguing that the unborn child was not a person.” The Catholic Church is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth. False Christians but true hypocrites
I had an emergency c-section at 28 weeks because of problems with my (much-wanted) pregnancy. While there were a number of issues and complications and the road we traveled was long and difficult, 35 years later, we're all still here.
To give back, because I was so grateful, I spent the next 14 years working with families in that NICU and I saw things. Really terrible things.
Point being, 34 weeks is well past the point of viability. I hope she sues the pants off them for medical malpractice. There was no reason for them to have sent her home. It wouldn't have been an abortion; it would have been a live birth.
First, the mother should never be sent home. The only resolution is to give birth. Otherwise you stay sick and usually get sicker.
By 34 weeks the baby should have been tested for several markers of maturity. By the time the baby is mature enough, the decision is made whether to deliver or wait depending upon how the mother's doing.
If the facts are as presented here, this is malpractice. These poor people. This didn't need to happen, religious hospital or not.
...sooo this could set a precedent right? To argue in many other cases that a fetus is not a person? I'm actually a little shocked that they didn't take the chance and do the emergency C-sec right away or at least offer it as an option, since 34 weeks is nearly full term and could very well have survived.
They can easily test for viability. First, you keep the mother in the damn hospital. Then keep her comfy. If she gets sicker, then test for viability. There is no reason for this to happen.
Funny thing about the Church. If your child is stillborn, it doesn’t get the same rites as your live birth child. The church’s own baptismal rites extended to a child in utero. That is disgraceful to me. And yet they call a zygote a person.
They don't believe life begins at conception. They believe the soul enters the body at the moment of fertilization, making that fertilized egg a whole and complete person in the eyes of the Lord.
I don't get why the hospital apparently objected to an emergency C-section for a 34-week-old fetus? In no way could this be considered an abortion, so what the fuck was their "reasoning"?
They never should have sent the mother home. She should have been monitored in the hospital. She may have delivered naturally or via C-section. No part of this is right.
If they'd passed a fetal personhood law, the hospital could have been charged for depraved indifference for not doing everything possible to try to save the fetus's life.
Are vasectomies also considered to be “immoral procedures “?
I agree wholeheartedly. And of course it is hypocritical. But they are 1. religious zealots and 2. only care about their bottom line. That said... I think siding with this family sets a very dangerous precedent for fetal personhood. If an organization can be found liable for contributing to the death of a fetus, so can any woman seeking reproductive healthcare in the form of an abortion. Whether it is due to medical implications for the mother or the fetus, or simply a woman does not want to be pregnant. I understand the need to stick their hypocrisy in their faces, but in the long term it will do more harm than good.
Hypocrites
“So, in the interest of not paying a woman who is suing them for actions she believes led to the death of her unborn child any more money than that, attorneys representing CHI and MercyOne Hospital are arguing that the unborn child was not a person.” The Catholic Church is once again talking out of both sides of their mouth. False Christians but true hypocrites
So, their strength of conviction was, at heart, only about money?
Shocking....
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I had an emergency c-section at 28 weeks because of problems with my (much-wanted) pregnancy. While there were a number of issues and complications and the road we traveled was long and difficult, 35 years later, we're all still here.
To give back, because I was so grateful, I spent the next 14 years working with families in that NICU and I saw things. Really terrible things.
Point being, 34 weeks is well past the point of viability. I hope she sues the pants off them for medical malpractice. There was no reason for them to have sent her home. It wouldn't have been an abortion; it would have been a live birth.
The Catholic Church has its own fair share of misogynists.
Ta, Robyn. I'm livid.
I had pre-eclampsia with my pregnancies.
First, the mother should never be sent home. The only resolution is to give birth. Otherwise you stay sick and usually get sicker.
By 34 weeks the baby should have been tested for several markers of maturity. By the time the baby is mature enough, the decision is made whether to deliver or wait depending upon how the mother's doing.
If the facts are as presented here, this is malpractice. These poor people. This didn't need to happen, religious hospital or not.
$$ t'RUMPs all!
The Catholic Church doesn't really believe a fertilized egg is a person.
They believe it's a potential clerical sex partner.
...sooo this could set a precedent right? To argue in many other cases that a fetus is not a person? I'm actually a little shocked that they didn't take the chance and do the emergency C-sec right away or at least offer it as an option, since 34 weeks is nearly full term and could very well have survived.
They can easily test for viability. First, you keep the mother in the damn hospital. Then keep her comfy. If she gets sicker, then test for viability. There is no reason for this to happen.
The hospital wins this case, and looky there - we have case law supporting women’s healthcare rights.
Funny thing about the Church. If your child is stillborn, it doesn’t get the same rites as your live birth child. The church’s own baptismal rites extended to a child in utero. That is disgraceful to me. And yet they call a zygote a person.
Jews must name the stillborn, and bury them properly. My parents went through that. His name was Neil.
They don't believe life begins at conception. They believe the soul enters the body at the moment of fertilization, making that fertilized egg a whole and complete person in the eyes of the Lord.
I don't get why the hospital apparently objected to an emergency C-section for a 34-week-old fetus? In no way could this be considered an abortion, so what the fuck was their "reasoning"?
They never should have sent the mother home. She should have been monitored in the hospital. She may have delivered naturally or via C-section. No part of this is right.
God.
Ironically, if Iowa had a passed a fetal personhood law like forced birthers want, the hospital probably wouldn’t be able to even make this argument.
If they'd passed a fetal personhood law, the hospital could have been charged for depraved indifference for not doing everything possible to try to save the fetus's life.