"These people are not exercising their own freedom, they are taking it from others. "
A concept that is hard for people from the USA is that freedoms can be in conflict.
So yes, they are actually exercising their own freedom, it just does massive damage to the freedoms of others. This is not a contradictory statement because freedom can be in conflict with other freedoms.
Another important distinction to make here is positive freedom and negative freedom. "I am free to eat this pint of ice cream" is positive freedom, you can choose to do something. As is "I am free to put lead in the ice cream I sell". On the other hand, a negative freedom would be "I am free of worry about lead poisoning because I know the ice cream makers are not allowed to put lead in the ice cream" or "I am free of worry about government ice cream inspectors because I don't put lead in the ice cream I sell."
“The claim ‘vaccines do not cause autism’ is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism."
By that measure, we cannot rule out high-pitched sonic vibrations from braying kangaroos way over in Australia traveling through the atmosphere over to the U.S. causing autism. Has anyone even considered that in a study?
The argument is a lot like "What? I have my personal freedom to drive my car however drunk I am. If I wreck my car and kill myself, well, that's my choice, right? So who are you to prevent me from getting sloshed and tooling around every night?"
Andrew Wakefield should be imprisoned for life for the massive number of deaths he has caused. And so should RFK Jr. and his deputy. I hope the Nuremberg Trials of 2029-30 will convict them all.
During the first Influenza pandemic, many people would be fine in the morning, dead 24 hours later. The US is no longer keeping up with vaccine research and production for new variants of Flu or COVID. Under the best conditions, measles, and pretty much most infectious diseases, the unrecorded cases usually outnumber recorded cases. The CDC has been gutted of funding, completely eliminating some infectious disease monitoring programs. I would trust cases reported by Blue states because their state epidemiology programs are pretty good. But red states, like where I live in Texas, sheeeeit.
I know there's this standard advice to "talk to your doctor about ..." whatever therapy or treatment you are considering, but then you get quacks like Dr. Abraham who are clearly just bad. No wonder people are confused.
Ta, Robyn. By now, most folks here know that when I was six I nearly died of measles followed by Reye's syndrome. The only reason I lived is because my mother had been a nurses' aide during WWII and knew what a slush bath was (you do, too, if you've seen Jacob's Ladder). I didn't remember having chicken pox, so I had my PCP check my titers. I'm immune to both chicken pox and shingles. I also had mumps and rubella before the MMR vaccine. Measles was miserable. I couldn't even read because my windows were covered with quilts so I wouldn't go blind. It also ruined my teeth. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children can fuck right off into the sun.
Interesting that COVID apparently stopped the last surge, in 2019? If that trend had continued we’d be living today in an even more dystopian hellscape than we are now.
Well, in digital logic design, CDC stands for "clock domain crossing," and if you get it wrong, your design is unreliable in strange, undebuggable ways.
"Although immunization coverage for measles is superior in the U.S. compared to peer countries..."
So, 'superior' is what we call a comparative adjective. Therefore, one does not need to use the actual word 'compared' with it. Let's rewrite:
"Although immunization coverage for measles in the U.S. is superior to peer countries, we can’t rely exclusively on vaccination."
Ah, better. Now we may continue.
"...four of nine secondary measles transmissions occurred among fully vaccinated travel-related contacts."
That is four people out of HOW MANY vaccinated people in the contact list, and 5 out of HOW MANY UNvaccinated people in the contact list? Because I lay you 20 to 1 that the unvaccinated people were infected at a far higher rate and with worse outcomes than the vaccinated cohort.
The thing is, if Patient Zero had been vaccinated, he would have been less likely to have been patient zero in the first place, and those 9 would have been spared.
The right vastly overvalues personal freedom--their own, that is, and often specifically their own freedom to curtail everyone else's.
I will respect your "personal freedom" until it infringes on my life, health, and ability to drive legally without fear of you rear-ending me because you're on your damn phone tailgating. Past that point? You can fuck off.
"These people are not exercising their own freedom, they are taking it from others. "
A concept that is hard for people from the USA is that freedoms can be in conflict.
So yes, they are actually exercising their own freedom, it just does massive damage to the freedoms of others. This is not a contradictory statement because freedom can be in conflict with other freedoms.
Another important distinction to make here is positive freedom and negative freedom. "I am free to eat this pint of ice cream" is positive freedom, you can choose to do something. As is "I am free to put lead in the ice cream I sell". On the other hand, a negative freedom would be "I am free of worry about lead poisoning because I know the ice cream makers are not allowed to put lead in the ice cream" or "I am free of worry about government ice cream inspectors because I don't put lead in the ice cream I sell."
See?
“The claim ‘vaccines do not cause autism’ is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism."
By that measure, we cannot rule out high-pitched sonic vibrations from braying kangaroos way over in Australia traveling through the atmosphere over to the U.S. causing autism. Has anyone even considered that in a study?
"The cost of doing business?" This man must not be related to any small children.
The argument is a lot like "What? I have my personal freedom to drive my car however drunk I am. If I wreck my car and kill myself, well, that's my choice, right? So who are you to prevent me from getting sloshed and tooling around every night?"
Umm...
Andrew Wakefield should be imprisoned for life for the massive number of deaths he has caused. And so should RFK Jr. and his deputy. I hope the Nuremberg Trials of 2029-30 will convict them all.
During the first Influenza pandemic, many people would be fine in the morning, dead 24 hours later. The US is no longer keeping up with vaccine research and production for new variants of Flu or COVID. Under the best conditions, measles, and pretty much most infectious diseases, the unrecorded cases usually outnumber recorded cases. The CDC has been gutted of funding, completely eliminating some infectious disease monitoring programs. I would trust cases reported by Blue states because their state epidemiology programs are pretty good. But red states, like where I live in Texas, sheeeeit.
I know there's this standard advice to "talk to your doctor about ..." whatever therapy or treatment you are considering, but then you get quacks like Dr. Abraham who are clearly just bad. No wonder people are confused.
how come they don't have to respect people who go a different route from them on reproductive freedom?
What's that old saying?
Your right to swing your fists around ends at my face.
Ta, Robyn. By now, most folks here know that when I was six I nearly died of measles followed by Reye's syndrome. The only reason I lived is because my mother had been a nurses' aide during WWII and knew what a slush bath was (you do, too, if you've seen Jacob's Ladder). I didn't remember having chicken pox, so I had my PCP check my titers. I'm immune to both chicken pox and shingles. I also had mumps and rubella before the MMR vaccine. Measles was miserable. I couldn't even read because my windows were covered with quilts so I wouldn't go blind. It also ruined my teeth. Anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children can fuck right off into the sun.
I’m blind in one eye from rubella around 1959-60. My dream of professional baseball disappeared.
Interesting that he puts a health and human services question in a cost/benefit analysis framework more suited to a profit-oriented enterprise.
Disqualifying, that. Get out.
Interesting that COVID apparently stopped the last surge, in 2019? If that trend had continued we’d be living today in an even more dystopian hellscape than we are now.
Maybe he should look up what "CDC" stands for.
Well, in digital logic design, CDC stands for "clock domain crossing," and if you get it wrong, your design is unreliable in strange, undebuggable ways.
Also "Control Data Corporation" - with similar symptoms. ;-)
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Certifiably Dumb Citizen. Well, him anyway
"Although immunization coverage for measles is superior in the U.S. compared to peer countries..."
So, 'superior' is what we call a comparative adjective. Therefore, one does not need to use the actual word 'compared' with it. Let's rewrite:
"Although immunization coverage for measles in the U.S. is superior to peer countries, we can’t rely exclusively on vaccination."
Ah, better. Now we may continue.
"...four of nine secondary measles transmissions occurred among fully vaccinated travel-related contacts."
That is four people out of HOW MANY vaccinated people in the contact list, and 5 out of HOW MANY UNvaccinated people in the contact list? Because I lay you 20 to 1 that the unvaccinated people were infected at a far higher rate and with worse outcomes than the vaccinated cohort.
The thing is, if Patient Zero had been vaccinated, he would have been less likely to have been patient zero in the first place, and those 9 would have been spared.
The right vastly overvalues personal freedom--their own, that is, and often specifically their own freedom to curtail everyone else's.
I will respect your "personal freedom" until it infringes on my life, health, and ability to drive legally without fear of you rear-ending me because you're on your damn phone tailgating. Past that point? You can fuck off.
Once these outbreaks get big enough, the health insurance companies and the reinsurance companies behind them are going to have their say.
Insurance is Finance. Finance is now about half the US economy.
The insurance companies, for better or worse, always get to be the last word on risk.