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Crip Dyke's avatar

>> "I’d say that Cornel West should know better,

>> but the proof of such a claim is lacking."

Ouch.

Still, it's well deserved. One point that you didn't make, SER, is that ***even if West's thesis and moral reasoning about Provocation were to be taken as correct*** the USA and/or NATO provoking Putin is not the same as Ukraine provoking Putin. (Nor is a leader of a country equal to that country. "L'état, c'est moi," is remembered for its utterance after the truth of that had clearly changed, not because it is a truth we cling to today, but set that aside.)

So.. in this case the one innocent victim here is Ukraine. If Neighbour One provokes Neighbour Two to shoot up Neighbour Three's barbecue, how is the just solution to this problem getting Neighbour Three to agree to give up his backyard to Neighbour Two? What the fuck did N3 do wrong here?

West is capable of reasoning through this: he just doesn't care.

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Chemical's avatar

A few things.

1. Russia bullies its neighbors all the time, which is fueling NATO expansion. We don't really have anything to do with it. Nobody wants to become the next Georgia, Chechnya, or Ukraine. If Russia really wanted to stop NATO expansion, they would stop being assholes to everyone in the region.

2. Ukraine choosing to fight, even if the battle was hopeless, is still their choice to make a a nation. Hell, I can see why a nation would collectively say "I'd rather die than deal with Putin's bullshit"

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