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HazooToo's avatar

I know this post is like 'omg so old news now', but I've been away from Wonkette for a while and am just catching up... And I'm sorry people were jerks, Alex, that was not cool. I didn't read any Hillary-hatin or sexism in your post, just "Damn, I expected her to come in with guns blazing and she didn't" and I get that. I didn't see the debate, either, so all I'm going on is Wonkette and Samantha Bee, and it seems to me that she both kicked ass AND took her sweet ass time to get around to kicking that ass, so I can see where you came from, and again, I'm sorry people got angry with you coz they thought you were being like the dicks who want to tell her to smile, but not smile, but dress colorfully, but be Presidential, but don't be shrill, but have a backbone and bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. You wouldn't be here if you were like that.

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Oh, FFS. It's not your opinion of her debate performance that was the problem with your original post, and we have said that over and over. It's the fact that you erased her win and gave credit for it to her male opponent and his metaphorical dick, in the process minimizing and dismissing her massive achievement in even being there in the first place and also ignoring the unique challenges inherent in being not just a female on that stage, but the first female on that stage. And you really should know this, because we all told you. The fact that you don't seem to know this when it's literally spelled out for you in comments that you're obviously reading makes it clear that you're choosing to ignore and misrepresent what we're saying, which also isn't thrilling anyone. It would have been possible to criticize her what you saw as her weak spots without doing those things. A lifetime of watching men minimize female achievements and/or give the credit for them to men is what makes us think that you probably would not have phrased criticism of a male candidate in those terms -- and probably wouldn't have even perceived it in that way to begin with -- but frankly, if you dropped Bernie into Hillary's place and erased his win by giving the credit for it to Trump, that would absolutely have also been obnoxious. As it stands, though, it wasn't Bernie. You watched a history-making female candidate win a debate -- probably not without some missteps -- and you decided that the best way to talk about it was to deny her any credit for the win and give that credit to her male opponent. On Wonkette.

Most of the mansplaining came later -- in your responses to the reactions to the initial post, when you kept trying to explain why sexism wasn't sexism. Then there's this post, which is basically you saying "fine, I'll say she wasn't so bad if it will make you STFU, but here's why you're an asshole for making me feel bad by pointing out sexism when you saw it." And at this point, you're pretty much telling us that your hurt feelings are worse than sexism, so could we please not mention it when we see sexism from you?

It's really not a good look for you or for this site, frankly. I assumed the first post was just caused by the kind of unconscious bias that we all have. But the responses have devolved into the same BS we get from fragile males everywhere all the time, so I don't know.

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