When I look at other Substacks, I can choose to read comments as "New First," "Top First," or "Chronological." Whatever I choose STAYS CHOSEN for that Substack. This is not true for the Wonkette Substack and I wonder what I am doing wrong?
The jurors recommended six discrete charges against Trump in connection to the Raffensperger call, including influencing witnesses, criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, election interference, and making false statements. Instead, Trump is only charged under one of the statutes recommended by the grand jurors in relation to the call: O.C.G.A § 16-10-20, which prohibits the making of a “false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation” in any matter within the jurisdiction of the state or its political subdivisions.
So, if it's a witch hunt, why did the DA only indict Trump for one charge instead of the six the SPGJ recommended?
Also, apparently Fani Willis in not a very good witch hunter if she only indicted 19 prospective defendants after the SPGJ recommended indictments for 31.
Not to be a nit-picker, they recommended charges against 39 people. You raise a good question.
Is Fani Willis waiting for some of the indicted to roll over on the rest? I'd love to see that smarmy ayewhole Flynn behind bars for years. Flynn said Trump “could take military capabilities” and place them in swing states and “basically rerun an election in each of those states.”
Loeffler and Perdue were so shady and unlikeable they grossed out the majority of voters. Especially Perdue, who is an All-Star at losing elections. With candidates like them and Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, etc., it’s baffling that the gop ever win a cake raffle.
Right on cue, the GOP is applauding DA Willis for carefully and deliberately not prosecuting all the conspirators, undercutting their own claims that she’s railroading everyone for political gain. Yeah, sure they are.
I'm gonna bet that Graham is going to dial back his outrage to nearly zero. He escaped by the skin of his teeth and he knows it. Even though Willis didn't indict him, the jury effectively DID which means if Graham is caught up in this again he will likely go down. Expect near silence from him...
This report was the first I had heard of Loeffler and Perdue being implicated. Not that it's a surprise. Georgia did good when it tossed those two con artists out on their ear.
I think Graham avoided indictment because his Perfect Phone Calls to Raffensperger were not recorded, and are therefore he said/she said, unlikely to produce either a conviction or turning him state's evidence. It's clear that the reason Raffensperger recorded the Trump calls is that he was spooked by Graham's calls.
I has a sad about Cleta Mitchell not facing the music. She is a pernicious, evil Federalist Society operative who richly deserves to be in the stocks having rotten fruit thrown at her.
I wasn't aware those calls weren't recorded. Ok, this makes a lot more sense then. In a way NOT indicting these three STRENGTHENS the case against tge ones who were
More seriously, I think it was a good idea to bring a comprehensive case somewhere. This crime is going to be decided in the court of public opinion, and a big, brawling trial on the teevees is just what the slavering masses want. Maybe some other state (Michigan?) can bring on a svelte case against the cosplay electors and their Svengali.
Besides, I have never believed that any jury would convict trump. It takes only one forsworn jruor, and apparently there was one in the special purpose panel, where it did not matter too much.
The other benefit is that this genuinely was a conspiracy, and by definition those are sprawling cases with lots of players. If we want anti-democratic scumbags to be held accountable, we need to flex the muscles of RICO.
Except the state AG is using RICO to get the people trying to stop the giant 'cop shop' taking over an Atlanta park. Including indicting people who just contributed to a bail fund.
RICO was literally originally written by an evil segregationist senator named McClellan. His aim in 1970 was to shut down the Civil Rights and antiwar movements. At the time there was - very understandably - enormous opposition from the ACLU. And from time to time the states and the feds have tried to use RICO to shut down organized protest movements like Antifa, BLM, and #MeToo.
But those efforts run headfirst into the 1A protections for the rights of speech, assembly, and protest. So they fail.
Meanwhile, RICO has been deployed very successfully against the mob, the Mafia, and white supremacist groups by the SPLC and others. Overall, it has been a beneficial law. And now we're seeing it being used against the most serious kind of organized-crime conspiracy there is.
Hopefully the Georgia AG will get a big fat slapdown from the ACLU.
RICO is a touchy subject. A justice system that cannot touch, eg, Al Capone is hardly worth having. Overreaching does not require RICO. Older readers might recall the Catonsville 9 and similar government misbehavior.
On another point. I am an older reader. I am so old that I toured the Cop City location as a Cub Scout when it was a prison farm. It's an abandoned farm. The idea that it is some kind of ancient community resource is dishonest.
Willis WOULD be in over her head if she was going it alone. But the fact is she has a huge team of some of the best legal minds in the country as her support team. Right Wingers always need to focus on a single person to blame for whatever. Its how Joe Biden ends up being responsible for the high price of eggs last year. What Right Wing garbage doesn't realize is that there are dozens of high quality legal eagles covering all tge exits so to speak...
Is it possible there's some massive federal charge with natsec implications or something like that overhanging Flynn? I don't see how he's skating everywhere? A lunatic coup conspiracy? I'dve thought you'd have to lock Mike Flynn out to keep him from getting up to his eyeballs in something like this!
or maybe the prosecutors carved him out somehow and left him as indv 20 because his previous pardon could tie them up in constitutional litigation. They did a segment on Flynn on Nicolle Wallace yesterday but there wasn’t much conviction on any idea except that Mike Flynn would happily punch himself in the balls all day everyday forever rather than be a cooperating witness.
Sorry I think that’s what I’m saying implicitly — are there more shoes dropping? And why would they be held up. As for the Georgia case, Willis’s team have said they have to prove their whole case for EACH defendant, that’s a big reason they want to try the mob together. could she prove her whole case without Flynn and I wonder if he would have been central to it because he’s a) Mike Flynn. Also, he was at the Willard Hotel war room on Jan 5 and at the Dec 18 meeting with Trump, Rudy, Sydney and that brain trust. There’s more but that’s the underlying premise of the question.
The national security reference. What if Flynn was running back channels to foreign countries they thought might help them? I think he has form with that(?) Or some other weird Mike Flynn operation? In my reading most of the better run coups do work in a foreign support element.
TBF, Its was a valid concern...there WAS no guarantee that we would finally get here. Just years of talk and speculation. And our very democracy was at stake...still IS.
No, I can't fault anyone for being cynical or skeptical...
OT: I am sitting here feeling very proud of myself...and very, very full. The last time they put me on the scales at the doctor's office they expressed concern because I only weighed 93 lbs. I made a solemn promise to make a conscientious effort to increase my caloric intake, meet basic nutritional requirements, and gain at least 10 pounds by the end of September. About an hour ago I felt peckish and took advantage of the fact that I had an untouched half of a Subway sandwich leftover waiting for me in the fridge. I tuckered down and much to my surprise I ate the WHOLE half Subway sandwich. Rarely am I capable of eating that much in one sitting; I'm pleased that my tum has increased its' mealtime capacity.
I"m the same. And I've found eating fruit gets you nowhere. I just shove cashews which are so good, down my throat all day. Think how fatty they are. Do you like them? They're kind of cheap at cvs. In a big plastic jar. My dr. says: if you got pneumonia, how would you fight it off? How will your brain fight off dementia without calories? That last was pretty motivating.
There's no sunset date on that stuff, right? I mean, once they're done with TFG and the first batch, what's to stop them from indicting others? Like a spinoff of the original series.
People, usually the ones who get charged, tend to complain that grand juries are completely wrong about the crimes they may have committed. In this case the crimes were committed in the open, on audio, and video, with texts, emails, phone records, witnesses, etc. Wasn't hard for the GJ to unwind the scheme. Even a blind squirrel can find a few nuts once in awhile. Graham should always be referred to as, Lindsey "unendicted co-conspirator" Graham from here on out.
Hi Wonkette Substack Adepts,
When I look at other Substacks, I can choose to read comments as "New First," "Top First," or "Chronological." Whatever I choose STAYS CHOSEN for that Substack. This is not true for the Wonkette Substack and I wonder what I am doing wrong?
The jurors recommended six discrete charges against Trump in connection to the Raffensperger call, including influencing witnesses, criminal solicitation to commit election fraud, election interference, and making false statements. Instead, Trump is only charged under one of the statutes recommended by the grand jurors in relation to the call: O.C.G.A § 16-10-20, which prohibits the making of a “false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation” in any matter within the jurisdiction of the state or its political subdivisions.
So, if it's a witch hunt, why did the DA only indict Trump for one charge instead of the six the SPGJ recommended?
Also, apparently Fani Willis in not a very good witch hunter if she only indicted 19 prospective defendants after the SPGJ recommended indictments for 31.
Not to be a nit-picker, they recommended charges against 39 people. You raise a good question.
Is Fani Willis waiting for some of the indicted to roll over on the rest? I'd love to see that smarmy ayewhole Flynn behind bars for years. Flynn said Trump “could take military capabilities” and place them in swing states and “basically rerun an election in each of those states.”
Loeffler and Perdue were so shady and unlikeable they grossed out the majority of voters. Especially Perdue, who is an All-Star at losing elections. With candidates like them and Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, etc., it’s baffling that the gop ever win a cake raffle.
I'm angry.
Completely forgot about DOCTOR ZO and now have been reminded. Buy the whey, where is OZZY?
Right on cue, the GOP is applauding DA Willis for carefully and deliberately not prosecuting all the conspirators, undercutting their own claims that she’s railroading everyone for political gain. Yeah, sure they are.
I'm gonna bet that Graham is going to dial back his outrage to nearly zero. He escaped by the skin of his teeth and he knows it. Even though Willis didn't indict him, the jury effectively DID which means if Graham is caught up in this again he will likely go down. Expect near silence from him...
"run silent, run deep"...
This report was the first I had heard of Loeffler and Perdue being implicated. Not that it's a surprise. Georgia did good when it tossed those two con artists out on their ear.
I think Graham avoided indictment because his Perfect Phone Calls to Raffensperger were not recorded, and are therefore he said/she said, unlikely to produce either a conviction or turning him state's evidence. It's clear that the reason Raffensperger recorded the Trump calls is that he was spooked by Graham's calls.
I has a sad about Cleta Mitchell not facing the music. She is a pernicious, evil Federalist Society operative who richly deserves to be in the stocks having rotten fruit thrown at her.
I wasn't aware those calls weren't recorded. Ok, this makes a lot more sense then. In a way NOT indicting these three STRENGTHENS the case against tge ones who were
I just read that recently too, and it does make sense.
I agree on Trump kneecap(ing) Kemp. I just hope Trump does it from a prison cell.
Evidently, the ham sandwich is gonna skate.
More seriously, I think it was a good idea to bring a comprehensive case somewhere. This crime is going to be decided in the court of public opinion, and a big, brawling trial on the teevees is just what the slavering masses want. Maybe some other state (Michigan?) can bring on a svelte case against the cosplay electors and their Svengali.
Besides, I have never believed that any jury would convict trump. It takes only one forsworn jruor, and apparently there was one in the special purpose panel, where it did not matter too much.
The other benefit is that this genuinely was a conspiracy, and by definition those are sprawling cases with lots of players. If we want anti-democratic scumbags to be held accountable, we need to flex the muscles of RICO.
Except the state AG is using RICO to get the people trying to stop the giant 'cop shop' taking over an Atlanta park. Including indicting people who just contributed to a bail fund.
RICO was literally originally written by an evil segregationist senator named McClellan. His aim in 1970 was to shut down the Civil Rights and antiwar movements. At the time there was - very understandably - enormous opposition from the ACLU. And from time to time the states and the feds have tried to use RICO to shut down organized protest movements like Antifa, BLM, and #MeToo.
But those efforts run headfirst into the 1A protections for the rights of speech, assembly, and protest. So they fail.
Meanwhile, RICO has been deployed very successfully against the mob, the Mafia, and white supremacist groups by the SPLC and others. Overall, it has been a beneficial law. And now we're seeing it being used against the most serious kind of organized-crime conspiracy there is.
Hopefully the Georgia AG will get a big fat slapdown from the ACLU.
RICO is a touchy subject. A justice system that cannot touch, eg, Al Capone is hardly worth having. Overreaching does not require RICO. Older readers might recall the Catonsville 9 and similar government misbehavior.
On another point. I am an older reader. I am so old that I toured the Cop City location as a Cub Scout when it was a prison farm. It's an abandoned farm. The idea that it is some kind of ancient community resource is dishonest.
Its performative tit for tat. Even under GAs broader RICO definition, this doesn't qualify as a RICO case. Again, its just blatant tit for tat.
"I'M NOT RICO!!!!! YOU'RE RICO!!!
Neener neener.
And the huge majority of locals don't want that acres huge fascist militia training ground in their backyards.
always wanted my "15 minutes of fame" . . . if i knew it was that easy i'd have been breathing at the time.
With reference to all the ' is she in over her head' comments, i would like to direct you to the wonderful Elie Mystal
https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1699616055382184163
Willis WOULD be in over her head if she was going it alone. But the fact is she has a huge team of some of the best legal minds in the country as her support team. Right Wingers always need to focus on a single person to blame for whatever. Its how Joe Biden ends up being responsible for the high price of eggs last year. What Right Wing garbage doesn't realize is that there are dozens of high quality legal eagles covering all tge exits so to speak...
sadly, it is not just the right wing saying this
Is it possible there's some massive federal charge with natsec implications or something like that overhanging Flynn? I don't see how he's skating everywhere? A lunatic coup conspiracy? I'dve thought you'd have to lock Mike Flynn out to keep him from getting up to his eyeballs in something like this!
or maybe the prosecutors carved him out somehow and left him as indv 20 because his previous pardon could tie them up in constitutional litigation. They did a segment on Flynn on Nicolle Wallace yesterday but there wasn’t much conviction on any idea except that Mike Flynn would happily punch himself in the balls all day everyday forever rather than be a cooperating witness.
Exactly...SOMETHING should be taking him down...It SHOUKD have been the military reinstating and court martialling him
Remember how everyone was bitching and moaning about how long Jack Smith and Fani Willis were taking to bring charges? And now there are legions?
More can come.
Sorry I think that’s what I’m saying implicitly — are there more shoes dropping? And why would they be held up. As for the Georgia case, Willis’s team have said they have to prove their whole case for EACH defendant, that’s a big reason they want to try the mob together. could she prove her whole case without Flynn and I wonder if he would have been central to it because he’s a) Mike Flynn. Also, he was at the Willard Hotel war room on Jan 5 and at the Dec 18 meeting with Trump, Rudy, Sydney and that brain trust. There’s more but that’s the underlying premise of the question.
The national security reference. What if Flynn was running back channels to foreign countries they thought might help them? I think he has form with that(?) Or some other weird Mike Flynn operation? In my reading most of the better run coups do work in a foreign support element.
TBF, Its was a valid concern...there WAS no guarantee that we would finally get here. Just years of talk and speculation. And our very democracy was at stake...still IS.
No, I can't fault anyone for being cynical or skeptical...
Did anyone have alien eggs hatching and subsequently destroying the Earth on their Apocalypse Bingo card?
https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/news/oer-updates/2023/golden-orb.html
Looks like a stillborn face-hugger. I hope it's stillborn...
That wasn't R'lyeh Seamount, was it?
I, for one, welcome our spongy alien overlords.
While space exploration brings many benefits to life on this planet, so can the sea. And I don't want to live on another planet.
Steve McQueen knows what it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-heIT3L9Qg
They shoulda tried salt. That works on slugs.
Oh shit it's one of those flying potato pancake things that made Spock go blind. We are fucked.
Start learning Braille, comrades.
I thought that was the center square.
OT: I am sitting here feeling very proud of myself...and very, very full. The last time they put me on the scales at the doctor's office they expressed concern because I only weighed 93 lbs. I made a solemn promise to make a conscientious effort to increase my caloric intake, meet basic nutritional requirements, and gain at least 10 pounds by the end of September. About an hour ago I felt peckish and took advantage of the fact that I had an untouched half of a Subway sandwich leftover waiting for me in the fridge. I tuckered down and much to my surprise I ate the WHOLE half Subway sandwich. Rarely am I capable of eating that much in one sitting; I'm pleased that my tum has increased its' mealtime capacity.
Good for you - though I'd gladly give you some of my "capacity," if I could.
My hubs, who has trouble maintaining his weight, swears by milkshakes in the evening.
I"m the same. And I've found eating fruit gets you nowhere. I just shove cashews which are so good, down my throat all day. Think how fatty they are. Do you like them? They're kind of cheap at cvs. In a big plastic jar. My dr. says: if you got pneumonia, how would you fight it off? How will your brain fight off dementia without calories? That last was pretty motivating.
Beer works for me, unfortunately.
It's too bad one cannot hire out "gaining weight." Many Americans would be happy to help you out, for a small fee.
I made fried chicken, mashed taters and gravy, and green beans last night.
It's the most I've eaten in weeks.
Heck I'd do it for free.
boy that is for sure.
That’s awesome! I hope your tummy and appetite continue to improve!
There's no sunset date on that stuff, right? I mean, once they're done with TFG and the first batch, what's to stop them from indicting others? Like a spinoff of the original series.
Think it's a five year statue of lamentations for the RICO in Georgia
If they can't wrap up the first case within five years, we are all well and truly fucked.
the speedy trial right is satisfied when the trial begins, i believe, although i'm not a criminal atty
People, usually the ones who get charged, tend to complain that grand juries are completely wrong about the crimes they may have committed. In this case the crimes were committed in the open, on audio, and video, with texts, emails, phone records, witnesses, etc. Wasn't hard for the GJ to unwind the scheme. Even a blind squirrel can find a few nuts once in awhile. Graham should always be referred to as, Lindsey "unendicted co-conspirator" Graham from here on out.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party of the United States: keeping "unindicted co-conspirator" current in common parlance since 1973.
"credibility", "prosecutor", "charade" all spelled and used correctly? It plainly wasn't Trump that made THAT post.
there was something in the flavor that was non-trumpian
It's cool that Flynn gets to try to overthrow the US government while being funded by a military pension.
This old Army wife will resent the motherfucking hell out of that up until the moment of her last breath.
Drawing and quartering sounds good. Maybe diming the bastard.
Which consists of OUR tax-dollars.
Yeah, it makes me feel great to be chipping in to fund that fucking pyschopath.
I mean, wtf does it take to be justifiably stripped of an Army pension? He's a known enemy agent.
Many fewer Republicans in Congress.
ALSO enemy agents.