I will never forgive or donate to the Dems that voted for Laken Riley. Anyone w even an ass for brains knew what it would allow and was screaming it from the hilltops and those motherfuckers voted for it anyway to signal their “tough on immigrants stance” fuck those Nazi empowering mother fuckers all the way to hell
This is torture. It's definitely worse than the conditions I lived with in the Jefferson County, MO jail, but not by much. I didn't have to eat my food like a dog because I couldn't eat any of the food, but it was food that even a dog wouldn't eat, so it was no loss. We were also in 24-hour lockdown for 4 days and couldn't clean our cells or toilets during that time. We were also screamed at and treated like the worst criminals, even though in America people are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The doctor and nurse appeared to never have heard of gluten intolerance, and denied me a daily medication that I need in order to stay alive, saying it was "too expensive."
The St. Francois County, MO jail is apparently even worse than JeffCo. Inmates there regularly get sick from the food, are denied medical care, and find dead bugs and hairs in their food, which is reportedly even worse food than that served in JeffCo. There also reports of frequent beatings.
The St. Louis City Jail has been reported for human rights violations for YEARS and nothing ever seems to be done about it.
One thing that I think is extremely important to keep in mind is that millions of the people who were murdered by Nazis in the concentration and death camps of the Holocaust weren't gassed or shot. They were murdered using much older and deadlier weapons of war: starvation and disease. The conditions they were kept in, and the regular treatment they received, were deliberately designed to kill them without using munitions the Nazi regime could ill-afford to expend.
As much grief as we rightly give the Trump regime about their ignorance of history, and the near illiteracy of its leadership, I have no doubt that that's one lesson they've learned very well. Alligator Auschwitz is a prototype death camp. It was designed and situated to deliberately make people sick, and they've sped up the process by denying victims adequate food (to weaken them) or sanitation (to increase their exposure to disease). It's an experiment and, if it kills people fast enough to suit them, it's one they'll roll out nationwide.
These horror stories we're seeing are not accidents or the result of incompetence. It's all deliberate. These camps are being built to commit murder in ways that are difficult to prove. It's not going to work like they hope because, for the fascist, no death rate among undesirable groups will ever be high enough. They will, and sooner than we fear, resort to more direct methods of mass murder.
Speaking of the Florida gulags... or the US gulags in general....
I've been following the US reports on the "exchange" of the 240 Venezuelans in the Salvadorian prison for what US media keeps calling 10 American "hostages"... then it occurs to me that the 240 Venezuelans never even had a due process hearing before being whisked off to CECOT, whereas all those so-called "hostages" had been tried and convicted in open court hearings... and more than one openly confessed to serious crimes (like planning to assassinate their president). <
The US is a rogue state and perhaps in need of an international intervention.
"we have all been horrified by the treatment of undocumented immigrants (and some documented!)"
Let's not forget Green Card holders, naturalized citizens, some native-born citizens, and Dem lawmakers.
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"often while being mocked by ICE officers"
I wonder how many of the balaclava-wearing assholes were laughing uproariously as they exported little children with cancer, but without access to their meds.
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"the “moral” of the story is how deeply power can corrupt a person, by turning them into a person who would do things like that. It’s an allegory for “fascism is bad,”
See: The Stanford Prison Experiment and Philip Zimbardo.
What an utter nightmare. The list of Democratic Senators who voted for the Riley act looks awfully heavy with the recently elected members so widely celebrated during the Biden years. When your own reps are so fucking heartlessly calculating, it feels a bit demotivating.
"So I just have to ask, not out of sympathy for ICE officers (it’s their own fault for staying), but out of concern for everyone else who may ever have to be around one of them: What the hell are we turning these people into?"
I saw a video last night about German men from WW I who were too old to fight in WW II who were taken into police units and sent east to round up Jews and other undesirables. Once there, they were told that an additional duty was being added to their job description: "eliminating" women and children and old men while the healthy men were sent to work camps.
They were told that they could refuse this duty, but only a dozen or so out of several hundred stepped forward in line to beg off; the rest performed their "duty" to the reich. One, reportedly, was horrified but didn't want to refuse because it would have meant he would be shirking out of something that other members in the unit had to endure.
Also, according to the video, people in Nazi Germany was ever punished for refusing to participate in any activities related to Holocaust and other killing activities. (I'm guessing it likely meant punishment in terms of not being promoted or being sent to the front to fight, but apparently not being thrown into prison personally).
But this all came after a decade or more of anti-Jewish propaganda had been foisted onto the German people.
“There are lines you cannot cross as a human being, and moving one’s own personal Overton Window over far enough to accommodate shackling people and making them eat like dogs, or stay in a cell with a toilet covered in shit, is not something that will end well for those around you.”
Aren’t we talking about people who were already bullies well before ICE recruited them? Their Overton Window was moved long ago.
Has the Dotard brought Geoffrey Miller out of retirement?
I will never forgive or donate to the Dems that voted for Laken Riley. Anyone w even an ass for brains knew what it would allow and was screaming it from the hilltops and those motherfuckers voted for it anyway to signal their “tough on immigrants stance” fuck those Nazi empowering mother fuckers all the way to hell
This is torture. It's definitely worse than the conditions I lived with in the Jefferson County, MO jail, but not by much. I didn't have to eat my food like a dog because I couldn't eat any of the food, but it was food that even a dog wouldn't eat, so it was no loss. We were also in 24-hour lockdown for 4 days and couldn't clean our cells or toilets during that time. We were also screamed at and treated like the worst criminals, even though in America people are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The doctor and nurse appeared to never have heard of gluten intolerance, and denied me a daily medication that I need in order to stay alive, saying it was "too expensive."
The St. Francois County, MO jail is apparently even worse than JeffCo. Inmates there regularly get sick from the food, are denied medical care, and find dead bugs and hairs in their food, which is reportedly even worse food than that served in JeffCo. There also reports of frequent beatings.
The St. Louis City Jail has been reported for human rights violations for YEARS and nothing ever seems to be done about it.
Ta, Robyn. Off to puke.
One thing that I think is extremely important to keep in mind is that millions of the people who were murdered by Nazis in the concentration and death camps of the Holocaust weren't gassed or shot. They were murdered using much older and deadlier weapons of war: starvation and disease. The conditions they were kept in, and the regular treatment they received, were deliberately designed to kill them without using munitions the Nazi regime could ill-afford to expend.
As much grief as we rightly give the Trump regime about their ignorance of history, and the near illiteracy of its leadership, I have no doubt that that's one lesson they've learned very well. Alligator Auschwitz is a prototype death camp. It was designed and situated to deliberately make people sick, and they've sped up the process by denying victims adequate food (to weaken them) or sanitation (to increase their exposure to disease). It's an experiment and, if it kills people fast enough to suit them, it's one they'll roll out nationwide.
These horror stories we're seeing are not accidents or the result of incompetence. It's all deliberate. These camps are being built to commit murder in ways that are difficult to prove. It's not going to work like they hope because, for the fascist, no death rate among undesirable groups will ever be high enough. They will, and sooner than we fear, resort to more direct methods of mass murder.
Speaking of the Florida gulags... or the US gulags in general....
I've been following the US reports on the "exchange" of the 240 Venezuelans in the Salvadorian prison for what US media keeps calling 10 American "hostages"... then it occurs to me that the 240 Venezuelans never even had a due process hearing before being whisked off to CECOT, whereas all those so-called "hostages" had been tried and convicted in open court hearings... and more than one openly confessed to serious crimes (like planning to assassinate their president). <
The US is a rogue state and perhaps in need of an international intervention.
"we have all been horrified by the treatment of undocumented immigrants (and some documented!)"
Let's not forget Green Card holders, naturalized citizens, some native-born citizens, and Dem lawmakers.
-----
"often while being mocked by ICE officers"
I wonder how many of the balaclava-wearing assholes were laughing uproariously as they exported little children with cancer, but without access to their meds.
-----
"the “moral” of the story is how deeply power can corrupt a person, by turning them into a person who would do things like that. It’s an allegory for “fascism is bad,”
See: The Stanford Prison Experiment and Philip Zimbardo.
(Edit to add last entry.)
fnord
What an utter nightmare. The list of Democratic Senators who voted for the Riley act looks awfully heavy with the recently elected members so widely celebrated during the Biden years. When your own reps are so fucking heartlessly calculating, it feels a bit demotivating.
Step 1: Tell all the ICEholes that “these people” are subhuman.
Step 2: Provide facilities and resources fit for subhumans.
Step 3: The ICEholes treat them as subhuman.
Step 4: A generation of broken people is created.
Cruelty is how Trump improves his Poll numbers with his base.
"So I just have to ask, not out of sympathy for ICE officers (it’s their own fault for staying), but out of concern for everyone else who may ever have to be around one of them: What the hell are we turning these people into?"
I saw a video last night about German men from WW I who were too old to fight in WW II who were taken into police units and sent east to round up Jews and other undesirables. Once there, they were told that an additional duty was being added to their job description: "eliminating" women and children and old men while the healthy men were sent to work camps.
They were told that they could refuse this duty, but only a dozen or so out of several hundred stepped forward in line to beg off; the rest performed their "duty" to the reich. One, reportedly, was horrified but didn't want to refuse because it would have meant he would be shirking out of something that other members in the unit had to endure.
Also, according to the video, people in Nazi Germany was ever punished for refusing to participate in any activities related to Holocaust and other killing activities. (I'm guessing it likely meant punishment in terms of not being promoted or being sent to the front to fight, but apparently not being thrown into prison personally).
But this all came after a decade or more of anti-Jewish propaganda had been foisted onto the German people.
I'm surprised that the administration didn't shut it all down when DOGE did their key word search and found the word "Transitional."
That's all the government is now. The whole thing, that's all they do. The Brute Squad.
Nothings getting built except "prisons"!?!! and (I assume) lots of body armor and weaponry
and rations filling warehouses for overnight delivery to goons from a variety of affiliations.
I suppose, a big enough brute squad is all they really need to pull off whatever this is.
Most will roll over for a belly rub and a lullaby.
I will.
The United States entered its Abu Ghraib Era when Abu Ghraib happened, and the only thing that’s changed since is they’ve gotten better at hiding it.
https://www.nyclu.org/press-release/soldiers-not-held-accountable-abuse
I'm disgusted, furious, and appalled... but in no way surprised by any of this.
“There are lines you cannot cross as a human being, and moving one’s own personal Overton Window over far enough to accommodate shackling people and making them eat like dogs, or stay in a cell with a toilet covered in shit, is not something that will end well for those around you.”
Aren’t we talking about people who were already bullies well before ICE recruited them? Their Overton Window was moved long ago.