So I am probably not going to enjoy the answer to this, but are the prisoners asking for any safety provisions in their suit? Are trans women going to be stuck in men's prisons? Because that sounds awful.
The Idaho lawsuit does not revolve around safety provisions, though the court has some power to order parties before it to behave in certain ways during the litigation. This could include orders not to retaliate against the prisoners, etc. as necessary.
Other lawsuits, like the one in Washington, are more tightly integrated with issues of safety and as such the judge in question not only has the power to order the defendants not to harm the plaintiff or the plaintiff's interest during the conduct of litigation but also the nature of the suit might lead to a decision protecting the plaintiff's safety over the longer term.
All that said, one guard whispering one suggestion to one particularly unethical or violent inmate, then one moment of neglect placing that person in an uncontrolled area with the plaintiff is all that the state needs to inflict serious harm. That kind of retaliation is notoriously difficult to prevent before the fact or even prove afterward.
Our prisons are not safe. Not for trans people, and not for cis people.
Yeah, you’re right: the whole system is a disaster. This probably freaks me out because I’ve experienced the shit that happens to women so I can picture it most clearly. But it’s all awful and stomach-turning.
Thank you, CD, as always for (a) digging into the fetid recesses of PAB's brain to find the grain of sand that sparked the pearl of wisdom he disgorged out of his mouth hole, and (b) keeping me informed on the nuances, both personal and legal, of trans issues. Wonkette: It Makes You Smarter!®
A recent rally rant was (sic) "they are doing sex change operations on school kids, you say goodbye in the morning to Jimmy and a few days later someone else walk through the door." His debate coaches may have asked him to not go with that on national tv, so his tangled cobweb brain may be combining stories with their approved targets of trans and immigrants...he describes that as weaving and thinks it's genius. Vote 💙
Many English professors friends of Trump, who is smart, very smart, he went to Wharton and did he tell you about his uncle? Smartest man, and he knows about the nuclear, anyway, big strong English professors with tears in their eyes, never cried before, they say his weaving is the smartest, like the late great Hannibal Lector, who was also a professor who ate people, but not pets because he was English, not from a shithole country. And that is why Trump won the debate!
Private prison companies CEOs and other big wigs would have to make do with a shorter yacht if they had to pay for medical care for any prisoner. Won't anyone think about the poor boat builders?
Oh nothing, just the New York Times sanewashing the batshit crap that flies out of his mouth.
No, Sheryl, that is NOT what he is referring to. It might be, but you can't just make the claim that he TOTES remembers some obscure 2019 questionaire when the same fucker once insisted George Washington took the airports.
Jesus, you'd think they'd get weary carrying his water like that so much
Excusing his mouth blartings as having any connection to reality when they clearly do not is not really laziness. The had to go back to a questionnaire from 2019 for this one: so someone had to comb all their material for Kamala talking about prisons and gender reassignment. Then they had to take what they found and make it fit whatever he baa'd. That seems like a lot of work to me.
Which leads me to believe they are doing this on purpose because they are complicit.
I mean, what do we expect from a toddler that thinks immigrants "seeking asylum" means they've been released from an 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑦𝑙𝑢𝑚 and are currently seeking a new 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑦𝑙𝑢𝑚 right here in the US. No wonder they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats. They're 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒!!!!
Hey NYTimes, did you know that the verbs do (to) and give (to) are different and have very different meanings? What? You can't hear me over the furious sanewashing going on? Nevermind then.
Just rob a bank. Or join a violent mob invading the Capitol and assault cops. Then you can get free medical care courtesy of Uncle Sam. I’m not sure about conditions in Idaho prisons, but I doubt you will think five years in the DC prison system is worth what free medical care you get. It was atrocious when I lived in the area in the 1960s and reports show it has not improved.
So I am probably not going to enjoy the answer to this, but are the prisoners asking for any safety provisions in their suit? Are trans women going to be stuck in men's prisons? Because that sounds awful.
The Idaho lawsuit does not revolve around safety provisions, though the court has some power to order parties before it to behave in certain ways during the litigation. This could include orders not to retaliate against the prisoners, etc. as necessary.
Other lawsuits, like the one in Washington, are more tightly integrated with issues of safety and as such the judge in question not only has the power to order the defendants not to harm the plaintiff or the plaintiff's interest during the conduct of litigation but also the nature of the suit might lead to a decision protecting the plaintiff's safety over the longer term.
All that said, one guard whispering one suggestion to one particularly unethical or violent inmate, then one moment of neglect placing that person in an uncontrolled area with the plaintiff is all that the state needs to inflict serious harm. That kind of retaliation is notoriously difficult to prevent before the fact or even prove afterward.
Our prisons are not safe. Not for trans people, and not for cis people.
Yeah, you’re right: the whole system is a disaster. This probably freaks me out because I’ve experienced the shit that happens to women so I can picture it most clearly. But it’s all awful and stomach-turning.
Thank you, CD, as always for (a) digging into the fetid recesses of PAB's brain to find the grain of sand that sparked the pearl of wisdom he disgorged out of his mouth hole, and (b) keeping me informed on the nuances, both personal and legal, of trans issues. Wonkette: It Makes You Smarter!®
A recent rally rant was (sic) "they are doing sex change operations on school kids, you say goodbye in the morning to Jimmy and a few days later someone else walk through the door." His debate coaches may have asked him to not go with that on national tv, so his tangled cobweb brain may be combining stories with their approved targets of trans and immigrants...he describes that as weaving and thinks it's genius. Vote 💙
Many English professors friends of Trump, who is smart, very smart, he went to Wharton and did he tell you about his uncle? Smartest man, and he knows about the nuclear, anyway, big strong English professors with tears in their eyes, never cried before, they say his weaving is the smartest, like the late great Hannibal Lector, who was also a professor who ate people, but not pets because he was English, not from a shithole country. And that is why Trump won the debate!
Just saw a vid where he claims he won, said it was 'probably my best debate, I saw poll numbers 90 and 60 and 71and 86 to 3'.... Bingo!
Private prison companies CEOs and other big wigs would have to make do with a shorter yacht if they had to pay for medical care for any prisoner. Won't anyone think about the poor boat builders?
Thank you. I was wondering where this came from.
Well, how do you people think Grandpa Drumpf became "Grandpa" Drumpf?
Trump and the NYT is a asshole.
Oh nothing, just the New York Times sanewashing the batshit crap that flies out of his mouth.
No, Sheryl, that is NOT what he is referring to. It might be, but you can't just make the claim that he TOTES remembers some obscure 2019 questionaire when the same fucker once insisted George Washington took the airports.
Jesus, you'd think they'd get weary carrying his water like that so much
For me, it's just journalistic laziness.
Just phone it in.
Why work, when you get paid, anyway?
Until you don't.
Excusing his mouth blartings as having any connection to reality when they clearly do not is not really laziness. The had to go back to a questionnaire from 2019 for this one: so someone had to comb all their material for Kamala talking about prisons and gender reassignment. Then they had to take what they found and make it fit whatever he baa'd. That seems like a lot of work to me.
Which leads me to believe they are doing this on purpose because they are complicit.
I could go with that.
But why are they doing it?
Is it just the horserace, ratings & clicks?
Samantha Bee continues to be right. President Klan Robe is functionally illiterate.
Also too Pete Davidson.
I mean, what do we expect from a toddler that thinks immigrants "seeking asylum" means they've been released from an 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑦𝑙𝑢𝑚 and are currently seeking a new 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑦𝑙𝑢𝑚 right here in the US. No wonder they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats. They're 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑛𝑒!!!!
If there was a government program to teach them to raise guinea pigs, for food...hum.
Too much?
Are there any concentrations of Ecuadorians nearby?
Hamsters. They're portable and "snackable".
Hey NYTimes, did you know that the verbs do (to) and give (to) are different and have very different meanings? What? You can't hear me over the furious sanewashing going on? Nevermind then.
Haven't listened to "Screaming Skull" in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJrVeNdw_I
I just watched the movie of the same name from the 50s last week! There's a skull, but I never heard it scream. Fake news!
If anyone is wondering -- I did -- "Heredia" can be translated from the Spanish as "she who inherited."
"They're giving health care to prisoners!"
"Okay."
"Aren't you outraged?"
"Not really."
"Well, you should be! They're getting something we're not. We have to work for it!"
"So... you want the government to give you free health care too?"
"No! That's socialism!"
Just rob a bank. Or join a violent mob invading the Capitol and assault cops. Then you can get free medical care courtesy of Uncle Sam. I’m not sure about conditions in Idaho prisons, but I doubt you will think five years in the DC prison system is worth what free medical care you get. It was atrocious when I lived in the area in the 1960s and reports show it has not improved.
I want EVERYBODY to be as miserable as I am!
"I don't want little Johnny to read that book, so NO ONE can read that book. Burn them all!!!"
<Narrator: And little Johnny grew up to be the most fabulous drag queen, and never calls their mother.>
More funny.
So trump thinks that "transnational" criminal organizations have something to do with trans people?
Do they also serve them food with trans fats? Because that would be unhealthy.
There used to be an airline called TWA. Guess what the T stood for? They probably did operations right on the flight.
"You mean that cute stewardess was one of them?"
You can't just start at transnational. You've got to work your way through transcity, transcounty, transstate, and transregional crime competitions.
Christ, and I thought getting to the Little League World Series was hard.
And don’t get us started on the horrors of public trans-it
I think what's clear is there are many more trans people/entities to fear.
"I need to make sure RICO wasn't named Rita at birth!"
Who knows?
Based on what he thinks "asylum seekers" means it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
What happened to all those “fact checkers” a few weeks ago that pounced on the DNC speakers?
OT: I am having a good day today. How good? I'm actually listening to Tim Miller and S.E. Cupp on The Bulwark. That's how good.
EEUUWWW