This is very real. I live in a conservative rural township and get repub mailers that insist "Your friends and neighbors will know if you voted" with clear implications that everyone will know WHO you voted for, not that you simply voted. It's very deceptively written material and sent in faux-official formats. Not only misleading but intimidating.
Fuck off with this far left bullshit. To support the left in the year 2024 means you’re either immoral or so ignorant that what you need is not a substack but a class
Donald Trump is stupid, crazy, and evil. You don't have to be all three to support him, but you have to be at least one: either unable to see him for what he is even though his nature is not at all concealed, or in a mental state where you convince yourself of an imaginary reality that has nothing to do with what is happening here on Planet Earth, or perfectly aware of the horrible things he will do and in support of all of it.
I live in Kansas where we have no-excuse absentee voting. Anyone who wants to vote by mail can fill out a form and they’ll mail you a ballot you can mail back.
This is despite Republicans having near absolute control over state government. Call me a suspicious old bastard, but I frequently wonder if they caved so easily on absentee ballots because it lets them make sure the little woman votes the right way. The voting booth is private, but when you vote absentee, you don’t get a booth to fill out your ballot.
I remember, back in the late 1960s- early 1970s, as a kid, standing open-mouthed as I listened to a bunch of my white evangelical Texas 2nd cousins talk among themselves about whether it was moral to vote in a way they knew their husbands wouldn’t like.
Why does MAGA treat Michelle Obama as a literal punchline? Because she embodies so much class and power that they must demean and degrade her, fearful that some within their fold--especially the youth--might decide to make up their own minds by watching a speech like this for themselves.
Disappearing such evidence a priori becomes the indispensable law. It is Oz inverted: ONLY pay attention to the grubby old man behind the curtain, pretending to be the great wizard king.
My parents are conservative, and my mom is a rabid Christian conservative (my dad was never religious) who has, for reasons so bizarre they're only known to her, literally had a crush on Donald Trump since the '90s 🤮. In a "weird how it can sometimes work both ways" example, my mom—who appears to everyone to be your typical boomer second-in-command in the household, has been the actual tyrant because my dad has always been so easy-going. I remember when he went on a road trip with my middle son back in 2014 and "confessed" to him that he'd voted for Obama TWICE but "Don't tell Grandma, she'd kill me."
I have no illusions that he'd vote for Harris/Walz now because they're so trumpy they haven't spoken to me since 2017, but I like to think it's only because he's still a little afraid of rocking the boat and, as a result, my mom making his life miserable. Who knows what he'll do at the polls...
I was with a very "bad man" who punished me for refusing to support far left policies.
He pressured and threatened me to get an abortion (he's VERY pro choice, most leftist men are but for entirely selfish reasons) right up to the ninth month. He disappeared when his son was born, I raised him by myself without a dime from his father.
In response to a heated response to one of my comments on WaPo, I decided to research why women vote for Trump. My sources (on request) seem to indicate women without college degrees think Trump is a safer bet for their blue collar husbands, also are skeptical of idea of woman leader being strong enough to lead.
White college educated women seemed to pick Trump for financial reasons, God knows why.
This, from Salon, struck me because it's a thought I happen to agree with:
"However one defines it, a majority of white women voted for Trump to protect what they have – status, income, tax advantage, whatever – despite Trump's anti-woman attitudes and record."
97 percent of black women went for Hillary in 2016.
So why do white women support him in 2024? All ideas are speculation, but Salon expresses my view.
Speaking as a man, I always found those subservient obedient type women boring and a bit nauseating My wife is anything but. We are equal partners who sometimes have heated arguments. we've been together 50 years and have a word for couples who never fight. "Divorced" If I wanted a servant I would have just hired one and remained a bachelor
Creepy as hell is the terms I use. I disagree with versions of myself that exist mere minutes apart how can any two people not have any arguments (pretty sure it rhymes with a bus ). Congrats on 50years btw.
Apparently, in the privacy of the booth, many idiots who publicly are anti-abortion. Because, well, them red areas are the ones with the highest abortion rates. And domestic violence, etc. But the thing is that MAGA brain makes such things OK, to compensate for the failure to thrive because stuff like wealth inequity and fiscal policy is too complicated. Empowering domination through brutality is much less complicated. Easy sell.
My SIL in NC is married to a Trumper, and says she's voting for the Cheetoman because her husband pays the bills -- " his household, his choice". I cannot fucking stand it. Disappointing.
This, from Salon, struck me because it's a thought I happen to agree with:
"However one defines it, a majority of white women voted for Trump to protect what they have – status, income, tax advantage, whatever – despite Trump's anti-woman attitudes and record."
Voting rights are not assigned to households, nor to bill-payers. That is why the Constitution no longer limits voting to white property-owning males. The franchise is the right of each eligible adult person.
Does she work? Remind her that her *boss* in some sense also "pays the bills," but does not get to control her vote.
In my household I'm the one who tells my husband who and what to vote for. Not because I'm some domineering shrew, but because I'm the only one who thoroughly reads the voter's guide and he copies off my mail-in ballot.
This is very real. I live in a conservative rural township and get repub mailers that insist "Your friends and neighbors will know if you voted" with clear implications that everyone will know WHO you voted for, not that you simply voted. It's very deceptively written material and sent in faux-official formats. Not only misleading but intimidating.
Fuck off with this far left bullshit. To support the left in the year 2024 means you’re either immoral or so ignorant that what you need is not a substack but a class
Donald Trump is stupid, crazy, and evil. You don't have to be all three to support him, but you have to be at least one: either unable to see him for what he is even though his nature is not at all concealed, or in a mental state where you convince yourself of an imaginary reality that has nothing to do with what is happening here on Planet Earth, or perfectly aware of the horrible things he will do and in support of all of it.
I live in Kansas where we have no-excuse absentee voting. Anyone who wants to vote by mail can fill out a form and they’ll mail you a ballot you can mail back.
This is despite Republicans having near absolute control over state government. Call me a suspicious old bastard, but I frequently wonder if they caved so easily on absentee ballots because it lets them make sure the little woman votes the right way. The voting booth is private, but when you vote absentee, you don’t get a booth to fill out your ballot.
I remember, back in the late 1960s- early 1970s, as a kid, standing open-mouthed as I listened to a bunch of my white evangelical Texas 2nd cousins talk among themselves about whether it was moral to vote in a way they knew their husbands wouldn’t like.
Why does MAGA treat Michelle Obama as a literal punchline? Because she embodies so much class and power that they must demean and degrade her, fearful that some within their fold--especially the youth--might decide to make up their own minds by watching a speech like this for themselves.
Disappearing such evidence a priori becomes the indispensable law. It is Oz inverted: ONLY pay attention to the grubby old man behind the curtain, pretending to be the great wizard king.
My parents are conservative, and my mom is a rabid Christian conservative (my dad was never religious) who has, for reasons so bizarre they're only known to her, literally had a crush on Donald Trump since the '90s 🤮. In a "weird how it can sometimes work both ways" example, my mom—who appears to everyone to be your typical boomer second-in-command in the household, has been the actual tyrant because my dad has always been so easy-going. I remember when he went on a road trip with my middle son back in 2014 and "confessed" to him that he'd voted for Obama TWICE but "Don't tell Grandma, she'd kill me."
I have no illusions that he'd vote for Harris/Walz now because they're so trumpy they haven't spoken to me since 2017, but I like to think it's only because he's still a little afraid of rocking the boat and, as a result, my mom making his life miserable. Who knows what he'll do at the polls...
It goes both ways.
I was with a very "bad man" who punished me for refusing to support far left policies.
He pressured and threatened me to get an abortion (he's VERY pro choice, most leftist men are but for entirely selfish reasons) right up to the ninth month. He disappeared when his son was born, I raised him by myself without a dime from his father.
What I love is a study saying some women are willing to overlook Trump's sexism to vote for him for other reasons! Arrgh!
In response to a heated response to one of my comments on WaPo, I decided to research why women vote for Trump. My sources (on request) seem to indicate women without college degrees think Trump is a safer bet for their blue collar husbands, also are skeptical of idea of woman leader being strong enough to lead.
White college educated women seemed to pick Trump for financial reasons, God knows why.
This, from Salon, struck me because it's a thought I happen to agree with:
"However one defines it, a majority of white women voted for Trump to protect what they have – status, income, tax advantage, whatever – despite Trump's anti-woman attitudes and record."
97 percent of black women went for Hillary in 2016.
So why do white women support him in 2024? All ideas are speculation, but Salon expresses my view.
Speaking as a man, I always found those subservient obedient type women boring and a bit nauseating My wife is anything but. We are equal partners who sometimes have heated arguments. we've been together 50 years and have a word for couples who never fight. "Divorced" If I wanted a servant I would have just hired one and remained a bachelor
You both are lucky, RRJKR.
Creepy as hell is the terms I use. I disagree with versions of myself that exist mere minutes apart how can any two people not have any arguments (pretty sure it rhymes with a bus ). Congrats on 50years btw.
WTF is the attraction of Trump to men? There is nothing at all remotely "manly" about him
Well, they like the part where he assaults freely and makes them feel good about being mediocre.
It is chilling the amount of abusive relationships that fly under the radar
Because a certain level of abuse is considered "normal". Subordination is not viewed as abuse per se.
Apparently, in the privacy of the booth, many idiots who publicly are anti-abortion. Because, well, them red areas are the ones with the highest abortion rates. And domestic violence, etc. But the thing is that MAGA brain makes such things OK, to compensate for the failure to thrive because stuff like wealth inequity and fiscal policy is too complicated. Empowering domination through brutality is much less complicated. Easy sell.
Did we already talk about the 81-year-old woman who voted for the first time because her husband died last year? https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Living/81-year-votes-1st-time-late/story?id=114926508 I feel as if the Wonkette community already discussed it.
Hope she voted for Kamala
My SIL in NC is married to a Trumper, and says she's voting for the Cheetoman because her husband pays the bills -- " his household, his choice". I cannot fucking stand it. Disappointing.
This, from Salon, struck me because it's a thought I happen to agree with:
"However one defines it, a majority of white women voted for Trump to protect what they have – status, income, tax advantage, whatever – despite Trump's anti-woman attitudes and record."
Agreed.
Voting rights are not assigned to households, nor to bill-payers. That is why the Constitution no longer limits voting to white property-owning males. The franchise is the right of each eligible adult person.
Does she work? Remind her that her *boss* in some sense also "pays the bills," but does not get to control her vote.
She's retired, but most of their money comes from the sale of his business.
Of course, one could argue that those with money already have disproportionate power...
Did she not contribute to his business success? How much would he have paid someone to do all of the things she did?
She might not be into all that (true) darn feminist stuff.
In my household I'm the one who tells my husband who and what to vote for. Not because I'm some domineering shrew, but because I'm the only one who thoroughly reads the voter's guide and he copies off my mail-in ballot.
He's damn lucky to have you
He thinks so, too.
He better.
ditto