If I recall, "Pro-Life" was coined because "Anti-Abortion" had too many negative connotations to it. As in, "if we frame it as we're saving lives, that's a good thing, right?" And they weren't wrong. It definitely worked. Until we recognized that their definition of who deserves their right to live to be protected as very limited.
"It seems pretty unlikely that this is a branding issue so much as an issue of “people don’t want to be forced to give birth or force others to give birth,” and there’s not a lot that can be done to fix that, other than no longer trying to force anyone to give birth."
As the Rude Pundit says, if you don't want to be called a motherf@cker, stop f@cking people's mothers.
People who are really against abortion (as opposed to just wanting to boss women around and punish them with babies if they ever have sex) should be wildly enthusiastic about contraceptives. No woman who wasn't pregnant has ever had an abortion. Isn't no abortions supposed to be the pro-life goal?
I was at work when Roe was overturned. My friend and I were watching the news when a female co worker came in, saw the news, got really happy that all the babies would be saved, got shocked we were not so happy, then got stumped when my friend beat me to asking her if she would now support extending access to birth control, real sex education (not abstinence only), and resources to combat maternal mortality rates. She had never thought about any of that, or even how those issues tied into saving the babies. When I started in on actual paid family leave, subsidized child care, affordable things like diapers and medical care, it became clear, despite being in her 40s so old enough to know better, she had a fantasy that all babies are born to mommies and daddies who are married and live in nice homes in the suburbs, and if bad girls are forced to birth their babies, they too would get married and move to the burbs.
Dunno if it’s been mentioned because late to the party, but since Floridians also overwhelmingly voted in a ballot initiative to restore voting rights for criminals who’d served their time, and then their legislature voted to fine print that initiative out of existence once it was approved, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for folks in Florida. They will likely just return to legislating abortion out of the state as pro-forced Birthers did prior to Dobbs. All doorways must be large enough to drive an ambulance through, all clinics must have a working helipad on the roof, all doctors must be board certified in all states and territories, that sort of thing.
Not to mention the resulting wage-slavery and poverty that many will face. (Bonus punishment, they get to watch the child they didn’t want to have, but nevertheless love, suffer.)
I really, really despise these assholes. They are literally responsible for women dying and others living in penury with no way out.
Back in 1924, there wasn't a hospital near my grandparent's farm in rural KY (All of KY was pretty rural, tbf) so they went to Ohio to get my father born. I imagine if she needed an abortion instead, she would have had to go out of state too, because no back alleys in rural KY, duh.
There were no back alleys, but there were rural midwives who knew a thing or two. Desperate women have always found ways — only sometimes they were fatal.
Did I not call it? The way they will handle a surge in infant mortality and maternal mortality is to quietly prohibit counting them and reporting the numbers, NEVER to do anything to support expectant mothers or newborns, because when choosing between being authoritarian and punitive or caring and supportive, the lizard brains of the cult of the holy blastocyst ALWAYS choose telling others what to do and no lip from you either, missy. Their purported concern for the "unborn" is just their way of disguising their true monstrosity, both for themselves and the public. Like all the right's causes, they can never be honest about what they want because it would be unpopular. This is what all the Heritage, Federalist, Prosperity whatever Foundations are about, finding ways to market shit sandwiches and mud pies.
no official figures, no story. to the brain wizards of the Putin's Stooge Party, EVERY problem is a public relations problem, and no wonder, because all of their causes of the day are fictitious, just made-up boogeymen to keep the suckers scared and pliable.
The Republicans invested in framing the issue as being about abortion of “unborn personhoods”. It was skewed that way so that people would skip right over the central issue where there is an actual human, fully born, probably paying some taxes, whose body is growing that potential additional human, and who is supposed to have decision-making control over their own body, rather than the government. Skipping over that part conditioned the general populace to assume and accept that abortion rights were a legitimate topic for good-faith debate. Caveats were designed to support that assumption, which is exactly why they shouldn’t be considered at all.
The issue isn’t if a fetus is POTENTIALLY viable, and it isn’t about the risk to the life of the pregnant person. The issue is that people are under the impression that controlling uteruses is of necessary interest to the government and society, and that it’s somehow morally ethical to place arbitrary limits upon the bodily autonomy of over half the populace simply because of their reproductive status. NONE OF IT IS ACCEPTABLE OR RATIONAL. And no, Roe wasn’t great. It wasn’t good enough at all. It was a stopgap measure and nothing more. And it created a legal framework for implementing those unacceptable caveats, by placing an abstract value system upon “personhood”, which legitimized the investment in government controlling uteruses. Not good. All that was good was that SOME people in SOME states were able to access legal abortion SOME of the time, wherever the full blown state fuckery didn’t prevent it. And Roe did not stop the fuckery.
Now Republicans want to rebrand again so that they can say to people that they don’t actually want little girls being forced to carry their own fathers’ babies, cuz that sounds ugly. It’s a hard sell. Instead they want to make it about it being morally right to control uteruses in general, and please don’t call it slavery, or being pro-incest and pro-rape! Those are also very ugly facts that don’t sell well. Probably they will create a new category, where they get to claim moral superiority on both ends of their own beliefs and nothing that connects them in the middle. Force those little girls to prove that it was incest, force a doctor to prove the birth could kill her, then submit to a panel of moral authorities appointed by the government to approve or reject permission for an abortion. Zero accountability for being pro-forced-birth, because it’s not their fault the applicant didn’t provide the required information in time to qualify. Hands are tied, etc.
People (ie, the Marketing Department) thinks LIFE is a healthy cereal. Contains 8g sugar per sup, sad for Mikey's developing taste buds. Oatmeal (ie "rolled oats"), the breakfast food of the gods, contains 1g/cup and positively DEMANDS added fruit.
Curiosity led me to Che k our state’s infant mortality rate. Indiana is like in the top ten. Todd Young’s vote makes him anti- baby for sure. These people are a fucking joke. And I love that Idaho idiot. Just because he’s doesn’t know or think any OB/GYN’s who are leaving doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
If I recall, "Pro-Life" was coined because "Anti-Abortion" had too many negative connotations to it. As in, "if we frame it as we're saving lives, that's a good thing, right?" And they weren't wrong. It definitely worked. Until we recognized that their definition of who deserves their right to live to be protected as very limited.
We ❤️ Zygotes
"If women can have sex without it ruining their lives, how are they ever going to learn?" -- The Onion
"It seems pretty unlikely that this is a branding issue so much as an issue of “people don’t want to be forced to give birth or force others to give birth,” and there’s not a lot that can be done to fix that, other than no longer trying to force anyone to give birth."
As the Rude Pundit says, if you don't want to be called a motherf@cker, stop f@cking people's mothers.
People who are really against abortion (as opposed to just wanting to boss women around and punish them with babies if they ever have sex) should be wildly enthusiastic about contraceptives. No woman who wasn't pregnant has ever had an abortion. Isn't no abortions supposed to be the pro-life goal?
I was at work when Roe was overturned. My friend and I were watching the news when a female co worker came in, saw the news, got really happy that all the babies would be saved, got shocked we were not so happy, then got stumped when my friend beat me to asking her if she would now support extending access to birth control, real sex education (not abstinence only), and resources to combat maternal mortality rates. She had never thought about any of that, or even how those issues tied into saving the babies. When I started in on actual paid family leave, subsidized child care, affordable things like diapers and medical care, it became clear, despite being in her 40s so old enough to know better, she had a fantasy that all babies are born to mommies and daddies who are married and live in nice homes in the suburbs, and if bad girls are forced to birth their babies, they too would get married and move to the burbs.
I guess you could say she lived her whole life up there in the clouds, huh?
That's why its clear the forced birth movement has never, ever been about preventing abortions or saving babies.
Dunno if it’s been mentioned because late to the party, but since Floridians also overwhelmingly voted in a ballot initiative to restore voting rights for criminals who’d served their time, and then their legislature voted to fine print that initiative out of existence once it was approved, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for folks in Florida. They will likely just return to legislating abortion out of the state as pro-forced Birthers did prior to Dobbs. All doorways must be large enough to drive an ambulance through, all clinics must have a working helipad on the roof, all doctors must be board certified in all states and territories, that sort of thing.
Whose going to ban travel for women of reproductive age first? FL, TX, or ID?
TX as per usual:
https://abc13.com/texas-abortion-law-highways-new-battleground-in-care-what-is-the/13740276/
AOT,K.
(Texas by a nose.)
“individuals who express a strong commitment to punishment are more likely to oppose abortion and also to favor capital punishment”
well yeah. because being anti-abortion has nothing to do with babies and is 100% about punishing women for having sex.
https://i.imgur.com/yLjlLoi.jpg
Agreed. They seem to believe that having a baby is punishment.
But also "the greatest joy" you can experience in life. *eyeroll*
The pregnancy is the punishment.
Not to mention the resulting wage-slavery and poverty that many will face. (Bonus punishment, they get to watch the child they didn’t want to have, but nevertheless love, suffer.)
I really, really despise these assholes. They are literally responsible for women dying and others living in penury with no way out.
Maybe they should just re-brand as "anti-women" as that is more accurate.
Back in 1924, there wasn't a hospital near my grandparent's farm in rural KY (All of KY was pretty rural, tbf) so they went to Ohio to get my father born. I imagine if she needed an abortion instead, she would have had to go out of state too, because no back alleys in rural KY, duh.
There were no back alleys, but there were rural midwives who knew a thing or two. Desperate women have always found ways — only sometimes they were fatal.
Pro-punishment and pro-life correlate because they believe giving birth is a woman's proper punishment for having sex.
Did I not call it? The way they will handle a surge in infant mortality and maternal mortality is to quietly prohibit counting them and reporting the numbers, NEVER to do anything to support expectant mothers or newborns, because when choosing between being authoritarian and punitive or caring and supportive, the lizard brains of the cult of the holy blastocyst ALWAYS choose telling others what to do and no lip from you either, missy. Their purported concern for the "unborn" is just their way of disguising their true monstrosity, both for themselves and the public. Like all the right's causes, they can never be honest about what they want because it would be unpopular. This is what all the Heritage, Federalist, Prosperity whatever Foundations are about, finding ways to market shit sandwiches and mud pies.
It's the republicans favorite go to since they managed to prevent the NIH from funding research into gun related deaths.
no official figures, no story. to the brain wizards of the Putin's Stooge Party, EVERY problem is a public relations problem, and no wonder, because all of their causes of the day are fictitious, just made-up boogeymen to keep the suckers scared and pliable.
The Republicans invested in framing the issue as being about abortion of “unborn personhoods”. It was skewed that way so that people would skip right over the central issue where there is an actual human, fully born, probably paying some taxes, whose body is growing that potential additional human, and who is supposed to have decision-making control over their own body, rather than the government. Skipping over that part conditioned the general populace to assume and accept that abortion rights were a legitimate topic for good-faith debate. Caveats were designed to support that assumption, which is exactly why they shouldn’t be considered at all.
The issue isn’t if a fetus is POTENTIALLY viable, and it isn’t about the risk to the life of the pregnant person. The issue is that people are under the impression that controlling uteruses is of necessary interest to the government and society, and that it’s somehow morally ethical to place arbitrary limits upon the bodily autonomy of over half the populace simply because of their reproductive status. NONE OF IT IS ACCEPTABLE OR RATIONAL. And no, Roe wasn’t great. It wasn’t good enough at all. It was a stopgap measure and nothing more. And it created a legal framework for implementing those unacceptable caveats, by placing an abstract value system upon “personhood”, which legitimized the investment in government controlling uteruses. Not good. All that was good was that SOME people in SOME states were able to access legal abortion SOME of the time, wherever the full blown state fuckery didn’t prevent it. And Roe did not stop the fuckery.
Now Republicans want to rebrand again so that they can say to people that they don’t actually want little girls being forced to carry their own fathers’ babies, cuz that sounds ugly. It’s a hard sell. Instead they want to make it about it being morally right to control uteruses in general, and please don’t call it slavery, or being pro-incest and pro-rape! Those are also very ugly facts that don’t sell well. Probably they will create a new category, where they get to claim moral superiority on both ends of their own beliefs and nothing that connects them in the middle. Force those little girls to prove that it was incest, force a doctor to prove the birth could kill her, then submit to a panel of moral authorities appointed by the government to approve or reject permission for an abortion. Zero accountability for being pro-forced-birth, because it’s not their fault the applicant didn’t provide the required information in time to qualify. Hands are tied, etc.
Of course if the already born personhood is female, she obviously needs to have her personal decisions made for her for her own protection.
Just say the quiet part out loud and call yourselves anti-woman.
Gee, who'd've thunk this would happen.....
People (ie, the Marketing Department) thinks LIFE is a healthy cereal. Contains 8g sugar per sup, sad for Mikey's developing taste buds. Oatmeal (ie "rolled oats"), the breakfast food of the gods, contains 1g/cup and positively DEMANDS added fruit.
Curiosity led me to Che k our state’s infant mortality rate. Indiana is like in the top ten. Todd Young’s vote makes him anti- baby for sure. These people are a fucking joke. And I love that Idaho idiot. Just because he’s doesn’t know or think any OB/GYN’s who are leaving doesn’t mean it’s not happening.