Liz, you and lived in the same apartment building in Baltimore in the 90's. Then I moved to Michigan, later went back to Baltimore and attended a law school class as part of visiting the school and happened to bump into you in the hall. A year or two after that (maybe 2002?), went back to B'more for a visit and bumped into you at the Paper Moon having breakfast. Today I somehow stumbled across on of your articles while reading about Trump/Cannon, clicked on your bio for the hell of it when it said "Liz"and "Baltimore" and holy s##t! It's like I'm your accidental stalker. Good to see your work and I will definitely be following your articles. Any Trump-hater is a friend of mine...... Allyson (don't know if you read all the comments but I could find any other way to say "hi")
This is why it's so hard for me to believe Trump will go to prison, or face any real consequences at all. The past 7 years have not conditioned me to think otherwise. I will, it goes without saying, be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
I have assumed that the trumpers have had a Cannon whisperer subtly suggesting to the judge things she could do. They cannot ALL be as stupid as Lauro, can they?
No evidence yet for what may be only my paranoid delusions, but OTOH, nothing to show they really are not delusions.
Cout outside of the norm...the 11th district will be coming down on her with a sledgehammer...as they did previously. She's such a contemptible idiot. In another case, they had to throw out the jury and pick another jury because SHE FORGOT TO SWEAR THEM IN! Amateur stuff. And that didn't go unnoticed by her superiors.
Personally I would not be disappointed if the documents case got tied up in so many notices of motion and appeals that it dropped off the radar completely. The main game is Trump's criminal attempts to remain in office after losing the election. It would be good if public attention was focused on that via trials in DC and Georgia.
I disagree. My observation is that a LOT of voters, especially ones that support the military, were stunned by the obvious & callous breach in security and the nonchalant attitude Turnip displayed when publicly discussing top secret documents that could literally get US service members & intelligence assets killed. It's an easy to understand gross infraction against the security of the US & he took a big hit with independents after the details came out.
You can argue intent with the Jan 6 stuff, but the docs is pretty cut and dried, esp since LOTS of people have been convicted and jailed for similar acts.
And yet, administrivia (taxes) is what finally brought down Al Capone. I’d prefer ALL cannons firing, ALL the time. If nothing else maybe it’ll either (a) bankrupt his campaign paying legal bills, or (ii) keep him so busy shuttling from courthouse to courthouse that his Nuremberg rallies drop off.
And it 1) keeps his name/the repub ticket in the news in a very unfavorable light, & 2) backs all the gutless repub candidates into a corner because they can't appear reasonable, run against Turnip, and make excuses for him in these scores of criminal indictments all at the same time.
It puts a spotlight on the facts that he's going off the deep end into KooKoo land, and the repugs are a bunch of spineless hypocrites. Please proceed.
The documents case should be pretty much a slam dunk if Loose Cannon doesn't fuck with it too much. Prosecutors have all the receipts and it should be straightforward to lay out a case of "here's what we're charging and here's the hard evidence to support it". Not as exciting or satisfying to get a guilty verdict (if it ever gets to trial) in this case, but a win is a win. One of the problems is that Loose Cannon doesn't have much to lose; she clearly doesn't value her reputation and has a lifetime appointment. Gotta remedy that tenure thing someday.
It is my hope that she pulls another boneheaded legal theory out of her rectal pocket and provides sufficient reason for the Eleventh Circuit to remand with direction to reassign the case.
Perhaps she's just tired of the crap being piled onto her from all sides--prosecution, defense, appeals courts, the public--and she's just looking for a way to recuse herself that doesn't seem to come voluntarily. Maybe she realized that her massive screw-ups just brought on too much criticism she doesn't want. It's just a theory.
It’s possible, but she’d have to be willing to do significant harm to her professional reputation and credibility to get there. Would have been easier to just recuse herself from the beginning.
This case was Jack Smith's throw down gun anyway... he did this to keep MAGA occupied while he prepares his destroyer case in DC. In the GSOT, this one is a pimple, DC is a volcano.
In comparison... NY is a pimple, GA is not... but all are necessary and we need more. If for nothing else, Trump fatigue is starting to quietly set in. Here in the fiery red state of Tejas, it's hard to get anyone to even talk about him anymore (outside national pols)... they just demur and say, "I don't even follow that stuff anymore" as I laugh at their faded "Let's Go Brandon" stickers. One dude peeled his off because I harrassed him so much.
Thank you for the ground truth about where you live.
There's the social importance, DC wins by a continent, and there's the potential sentence. Someone on LawFare or JustSecurity calculated what the Federal sentencing guidelines would be in the documents case. Twenty-ish years, longer than the estimate I've seen for trying to overturn an election.
Funny how what acts are made illegal and how vigorously are they enforced tells you so much about a given polity's priorities. It wasn't that long ago that a DUI or two was no big deal, while a roach in your ashtray could derail your whole life.
There are more than 2 tiers of justice... and we will plainly see what the highest tier looks like coming out of DC trial. This case was doomed the moment Cannon was "assigned", so I only hope it destroys the careers of those who aid in its demise. Trump will not see inside a prison for this or any other crime. Watch all of the legal experts (including Katyal, Weissmann, et al) demur when asked about Trump ACTUALLY going to an ACTUAL prison.
Liz, you and lived in the same apartment building in Baltimore in the 90's. Then I moved to Michigan, later went back to Baltimore and attended a law school class as part of visiting the school and happened to bump into you in the hall. A year or two after that (maybe 2002?), went back to B'more for a visit and bumped into you at the Paper Moon having breakfast. Today I somehow stumbled across on of your articles while reading about Trump/Cannon, clicked on your bio for the hell of it when it said "Liz"and "Baltimore" and holy s##t! It's like I'm your accidental stalker. Good to see your work and I will definitely be following your articles. Any Trump-hater is a friend of mine...... Allyson (don't know if you read all the comments but I could find any other way to say "hi")
This is why it's so hard for me to believe Trump will go to prison, or face any real consequences at all. The past 7 years have not conditioned me to think otherwise. I will, it goes without saying, be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
I have assumed that the trumpers have had a Cannon whisperer subtly suggesting to the judge things she could do. They cannot ALL be as stupid as Lauro, can they?
No evidence yet for what may be only my paranoid delusions, but OTOH, nothing to show they really are not delusions.
Never forget that half of all people are below average.
If she thinks she can run that
Cout outside of the norm...the 11th district will be coming down on her with a sledgehammer...as they did previously. She's such a contemptible idiot. In another case, they had to throw out the jury and pick another jury because SHE FORGOT TO SWEAR THEM IN! Amateur stuff. And that didn't go unnoticed by her superiors.
[nods continuously, with VIGOR]
[keeps really praiseworthy eye contact]
I have no idea what any of that meant, but I like you?
Personally I would not be disappointed if the documents case got tied up in so many notices of motion and appeals that it dropped off the radar completely. The main game is Trump's criminal attempts to remain in office after losing the election. It would be good if public attention was focused on that via trials in DC and Georgia.
Personally I won't be satisfied with anything less than conviction on every count with maximum sentence imposed.
On the other hand I get the impression from lawyer blogs that the stolen documents case is the most airtight.
I think that's correct, but Cannon will give him a slap on the wrist and unengaged voters will wonder what all the fuss was about.
I disagree. My observation is that a LOT of voters, especially ones that support the military, were stunned by the obvious & callous breach in security and the nonchalant attitude Turnip displayed when publicly discussing top secret documents that could literally get US service members & intelligence assets killed. It's an easy to understand gross infraction against the security of the US & he took a big hit with independents after the details came out.
You can argue intent with the Jan 6 stuff, but the docs is pretty cut and dried, esp since LOTS of people have been convicted and jailed for similar acts.
And yet, administrivia (taxes) is what finally brought down Al Capone. I’d prefer ALL cannons firing, ALL the time. If nothing else maybe it’ll either (a) bankrupt his campaign paying legal bills, or (ii) keep him so busy shuttling from courthouse to courthouse that his Nuremberg rallies drop off.
And it 1) keeps his name/the repub ticket in the news in a very unfavorable light, & 2) backs all the gutless repub candidates into a corner because they can't appear reasonable, run against Turnip, and make excuses for him in these scores of criminal indictments all at the same time.
It puts a spotlight on the facts that he's going off the deep end into KooKoo land, and the repugs are a bunch of spineless hypocrites. Please proceed.
The documents case should be pretty much a slam dunk if Loose Cannon doesn't fuck with it too much. Prosecutors have all the receipts and it should be straightforward to lay out a case of "here's what we're charging and here's the hard evidence to support it". Not as exciting or satisfying to get a guilty verdict (if it ever gets to trial) in this case, but a win is a win. One of the problems is that Loose Cannon doesn't have much to lose; she clearly doesn't value her reputation and has a lifetime appointment. Gotta remedy that tenure thing someday.
I really miss that angry emoji button. It was my most common response to anything PAB-related.
Varus, give me back my grr argh emojis!
I like how we never get an overtly whackaloon photo of Cannon on the front page, it's just her standard professional headshot and that's enough.
Loosey Cannon has crazy Michele-one-L Bachmann style eyes. Can't trust that.
It is my hope that she pulls another boneheaded legal theory out of her rectal pocket and provides sufficient reason for the Eleventh Circuit to remand with direction to reassign the case.
Somebody on FB said that she should be "disrobed", and while that might be the technically correct term... No.
She should be disbarred.
This sort of horseshit should be…against the law. What a world of shit these people are.
There is a direct line between this ugly spud's utterings on Fox news and Aileen Bannon's ruling. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes.
Is she ‘diddling’ with Trump? God knows Melanie ain’t, allegedly. Not accusing, just questioning.
I think Loose Cannon is setting herself up to be smacked down on appeal and forced to recuse herself.
Perhaps she's just tired of the crap being piled onto her from all sides--prosecution, defense, appeals courts, the public--and she's just looking for a way to recuse herself that doesn't seem to come voluntarily. Maybe she realized that her massive screw-ups just brought on too much criticism she doesn't want. It's just a theory.
It’s possible, but she’d have to be willing to do significant harm to her professional reputation and credibility to get there. Would have been easier to just recuse herself from the beginning.
Lots of stupid people fuck themselves over by not making a clear commitment to one alternative or another and so get the worst available outcome .
this. thank you.
This case was Jack Smith's throw down gun anyway... he did this to keep MAGA occupied while he prepares his destroyer case in DC. In the GSOT, this one is a pimple, DC is a volcano.
In comparison... NY is a pimple, GA is not... but all are necessary and we need more. If for nothing else, Trump fatigue is starting to quietly set in. Here in the fiery red state of Tejas, it's hard to get anyone to even talk about him anymore (outside national pols)... they just demur and say, "I don't even follow that stuff anymore" as I laugh at their faded "Let's Go Brandon" stickers. One dude peeled his off because I harrassed him so much.
Thank you for the ground truth about where you live.
There's the social importance, DC wins by a continent, and there's the potential sentence. Someone on LawFare or JustSecurity calculated what the Federal sentencing guidelines would be in the documents case. Twenty-ish years, longer than the estimate I've seen for trying to overturn an election.
Funny how what acts are made illegal and how vigorously are they enforced tells you so much about a given polity's priorities. It wasn't that long ago that a DUI or two was no big deal, while a roach in your ashtray could derail your whole life.
There are more than 2 tiers of justice... and we will plainly see what the highest tier looks like coming out of DC trial. This case was doomed the moment Cannon was "assigned", so I only hope it destroys the careers of those who aid in its demise. Trump will not see inside a prison for this or any other crime. Watch all of the legal experts (including Katyal, Weissmann, et al) demur when asked about Trump ACTUALLY going to an ACTUAL prison.
"“This Department of Justice has no compunction about destroying the rule of law because of their political interest"
If the right projected any harder, you'd see this on the moon.