Kinda surprised to see such a tepid statement on Bowman's defeat, given that Wonkette's official position has thus far been fake beheaded Israeli babies = genocide go time; actual dead Palestinian babies = MEH.
The problem is that AIPAC donated millions to the winner, when clearly it should not be legal for any foreign government to back U.S. political candidates. The U.S. is not a satellite country of Israel.
Politico & other oligarch-owned media are so desperate for a body to feed on, they're trying to see a red tsunami through one inept brother progressive who got bounced. Bullshit. Progressives are the keepers and doers who lead the vanguard of The Sane.
As someone in the district who was very much in favor of the winner of this primary, I have to say the national news about it was sometimes weird. Yes, many people in the district were upset at our former Representative's votes and stances on Israel in general and the Hamas/Israel war specifically - but they were also upset at his vote against the Infrastructure Act, his pulling the fire alarm in Congress, his fights with MTG on the steps of the Capitol, his conspiracy theories, and so many more issues. At the end of the day though, he was out of step with the electorate - which he showed by saying he had left the DSA, and then in the last days of the campaign when he re-joined the DSA telling them he never "really" left. Our very popular County Executive ran a good campaign and listened more than he talked.
No we didn't. I'm in the district - we watched a Representative who wasn't in touch with the ethos of his district lose to an old school retail politician.
Support of Israel by Americans (first letter of AIPAC) is not “foreign.” The money donated to Latimer through AIPAC was mostly from people in district who chose to donate to the campaign through that portal to make their point about why. I think we’d all love real campaign finance reform but until that happens most people running for Congress are going to continue to accept money from AIPAc and other PACs.
I don't know what it is about New York Democrats. Maybe it's the proximity of Wall Street and all that sweet, sweet finance money sloshing around, but we can't seem to elect anyone but boring, (mostly) incompetent, centrist, pro-Wall Street, pro-Netanyahu clowns.
This is the headline of an article in WaPo: "Trump trusted more than Biden on democracy among key swing-state voters". ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY OUT OF THEIR FAKAKTE MINDS??????????
I find that avoiding that Jeff Bezos rag is essential for my mental health, but it's beyond rational dispute that the dumbest motherfuckers in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will decide who gets to be POTUS. Again.
The library where I work had voting yesterday and the turnout was trash. I am not in Bowman’s district but only the very motivated came out yesterday and AIPIC spent a grip to get Bowman out there were ads basically one after the other that painted him as a very scary black man. They made sure to darken his skin as well.
"The library where I work had voting yesterday and the turnout was trash. I am not in Bowman’s district but only the very motivated came out yesterday"
Too hot. Not safe. Not healthy.
And I don't want to hear from one more idiot how "there's no voter suppression in NYC shut up shut up shut up"
"AIPIC spent a grip to get Bowman out there were ads basically one after the other that painted him as a very scary black man. They made sure to darken his skin as well."
Someone someday is going to have to explain to me why Hillary Clinton endorsed his opponent
But it's 90 degrees right now and I'm not sure that day is today
OK - more substantive - is HRC knows the district both people running and thought one would be the better Representative. Worth noting that the Dem Congressional candidate in the district immediately north also endorsed George, as did 11 of the 12 Dem committees in the district (the 12th declined to endorse anyone). In the district immediately to the south of us, that Representative all but endorsed George.
Also, Jamaal's entire campaign was built on trying to make the Democrats of Westchester (the Bronx piece is only about 10% of the district) believe that the person they'd worked with for years had somehow overnight became a MAGA-affiliated right winger. It didn't work because we know him.
Lots of people come to the library because it’s a cooling center and some people remembered to vote because they were cooling off at the library but the actual voter turnout was terrible.
Yeah, I don't give a fuck what Josh Marshall says, it is not "okay" when a deep pocket PAC that only EXISTS to advocate for a foreign government buys an election. That Bowman's positions made it possible to buy the election does not make it acceptable. Would Marshall be making excuses for a pro-Putin or pro-China PAC?
Nobody needs to be listening to Josh Marshall on a day like this or an issue like this.
For one thing, he's not closest to the pain.
People should be listening to Wajahat Ali
"Regardless of your opinion on Bowman, you shouldn't celebrate an interest group, in this case AIPAC and its big donors, spending a historic $14.5 million in a primary race. Probably not the best thing for democracy."
and to Elie Mystal, who, in addition to being a double-Harvard-educated attorney and the Justice Correspondent for The Nation, also happens to be a constituent
"In any event, I think if our district is going to be the most expensive district to run in, in the country, then we should at least come out of it with a Congressperson who is going to be a leader instead of a warmed-over career politician placeholder."
And if he is, he should be grilled about what plans he has to correct Latimer's historically abysmal RECORD of slowing desgregation in Westchester County down to a crawl
You mention Westchester county, which really gets to the (other) heart of this. The Bronx and Westchester county suburbs really have no business being lumped together in the same district.
Offering a Constitutional law scholar & the Justice Correspondent for The Nation who also happens to be a constituent the final word
"In any event, I think if our district is going to be the most expensive district to run in, in the country, then we should at least come out of it with a Congressperson who is going to be a leader instead of a warmed-over career politician placeholder."
"Regardless of your opinion on Bowman, you shouldn't celebrate an interest group, in this case AIPAC and its big donors, spending a historic $14.5 million in a primary race. Probably not the best thing for democracy."
I like Bowman and SOME of the things he espouses but if I lived in that district I would have voted Latimer. Biden is going to win and if he is to succeed in the second term he is going to need lots of unhesitating support from inside the tent to push his agenda. The Rethug agenda in Mein Kampf '25 makes party discipline a necessity not an option.
The people who actually made Mein Kampf possible were the "good Germans" who TURNED THEIR HEADS WHILE SEGREGATION TENDING TOWARDS GENOCIDE WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN REAL TIMIE.
So maybe think about Mein Kampf THAT way next time before you roll it out for some excuse to justify another call of "get behind the bigoted White man"
Regarding BDS: here is a partial list of things that came from/come from Israel, so BDS supporters can stop using them and show their commitment:
Waze - a popular mapping program.
Pillcam - capsule endoscopy.
Netafim (and all variations) - smartdrip, drip, & micro irrigation systems, and any produce grown with it.
Cherry tomatoes.
Epilady (and all variations) - the first electric hair remover.
MobileEye - the lane changing and collision warning system used in cars.
GPS systems.
Intel microchips resulting from the 8088 processor (all of them).
Anything printed with HPs Indigo Digital Printing.
Any hospitals using EarlySense for patient vital monitoring.
Copaxone - medication for Multiple Scelrosis.
USB Flash Drives.
Instant messaging (ICQ was developed in Israel).
Any cell phone smaller than a brick.
Sambucol - OTC anti-viral from Elderberries.
Babysense - helps prevent crib death.
Emergency Bandage - used to stop traumatic wound bleeding.
Any operating system derived from Windows NT and XP.
Computer firewalls.
Amazon Kindle.
Iphones, MacBooks and Ipads using Anobit.
By refusing to use any of these products, you are showing the world your sincerity. Note this is only a partial listing, but it is a good start.
Bowman lost because the DNC HATES progressives.........gotta keep that corporate cash flowing.
Kinda surprised to see such a tepid statement on Bowman's defeat, given that Wonkette's official position has thus far been fake beheaded Israeli babies = genocide go time; actual dead Palestinian babies = MEH.
The problem is that AIPAC donated millions to the winner, when clearly it should not be legal for any foreign government to back U.S. political candidates. The U.S. is not a satellite country of Israel.
Not a satellite???? It is to laugh........
AIPAC is not a foreign government.
They own far too many of our politicians sadly, on both sides.
Politico & other oligarch-owned media are so desperate for a body to feed on, they're trying to see a red tsunami through one inept brother progressive who got bounced. Bullshit. Progressives are the keepers and doers who lead the vanguard of The Sane.
As someone in the district who was very much in favor of the winner of this primary, I have to say the national news about it was sometimes weird. Yes, many people in the district were upset at our former Representative's votes and stances on Israel in general and the Hamas/Israel war specifically - but they were also upset at his vote against the Infrastructure Act, his pulling the fire alarm in Congress, his fights with MTG on the steps of the Capitol, his conspiracy theories, and so many more issues. At the end of the day though, he was out of step with the electorate - which he showed by saying he had left the DSA, and then in the last days of the campaign when he re-joined the DSA telling them he never "really" left. Our very popular County Executive ran a good campaign and listened more than he talked.
We Just Watched a Warmongering Foreign Lobbyist Group Buy a Seat in Congress - Jezebel
https://www.jezebel.com/jamaal-bowman-aipac-tk
No we didn't. I'm in the district - we watched a Representative who wasn't in touch with the ethos of his district lose to an old school retail politician.
I think "a warmongering foreign lobbyist group" is accurate regardless. It's what they do. It's all they do. Latimer should have refused their money.
Support of Israel by Americans (first letter of AIPAC) is not “foreign.” The money donated to Latimer through AIPAC was mostly from people in district who chose to donate to the campaign through that portal to make their point about why. I think we’d all love real campaign finance reform but until that happens most people running for Congress are going to continue to accept money from AIPAc and other PACs.
Ah-haHAHA, Fuck you Bob Good!
OK, people.
I worked a lot with George Latimer.
He is a great guy, and knows how to work with lots of people with different priorities.
He is a true pro, great communicator, and will make many people happy.
George was my favorite candidate.
A guy who compared Andrew Cuomo being turfed for sexually harassing multiple women to Emmett Till being lynched. Yeah, he's a real peach.
Sorry, CH but I think my years of actually knowing him out weighs your paraphrase and sarcasm.
𝘐𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 2021 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵, 𝘓𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯-𝘎𝘰𝘷. 𝘊𝘶𝘰𝘮𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘹𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘮𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘪𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯: "𝘐𝘯 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥, 𝘯𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘥, 𝘸𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘮𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘯𝘰𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘭 𝘨𝘶𝘪𝘭𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘯. 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘦 𝘢𝘥𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘪𝘵, 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘦. 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘢𝘥𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰, 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘢 𝘮𝘰𝘣 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘌𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘵 𝘛𝘪𝘭𝘭, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘲𝘶𝘰𝘵𝘦, '𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘴 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘢 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘪𝘵𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧.'"
https://www.salon.com/2024/06/13/democrat-george-latimer-questioned-about-deleted-facebook-post-comparing-andrew-cuomo-to-emmit-till/
Paraphrase?
I don't know what it is about New York Democrats. Maybe it's the proximity of Wall Street and all that sweet, sweet finance money sloshing around, but we can't seem to elect anyone but boring, (mostly) incompetent, centrist, pro-Wall Street, pro-Netanyahu clowns.
I can't agree with the way you're interpreting this quote.
What you said before wasn't paraphrasing, and wasn't sarcastic?
(Our realities must differ.)
I don't know what it is about so-called "progressives."
If you're not one of them, you must be pro-Netanyahu.
We worked on campaigns, issues, and platforms.
It's not like we were BFFs in High School.
If you want to tell yourself things that maintain your own POV, so be it.
I think some will be pleasantly surprised at what a hard working Democratic rep. he will be.
So you are biased and your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
OK.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Just trying to be reassuring.
We'll agree to disagree.
As someone in the district. I agree.
I hope you get a chance to meet him.
This is the headline of an article in WaPo: "Trump trusted more than Biden on democracy among key swing-state voters". ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY OUT OF THEIR FAKAKTE MINDS??????????
They have a Murdoch tabloid man Will Lewis running the joint, expect to see more of this. They aren't the media that published "the Pentagon Papers".
https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/jun/07/washington-post-new-ceo-leadership?
I read that article this morning and had the same reaction. Now they have polling up showing TFG leading Biden in 5 out of 7 swing states.
I despair.
Yes. Yes, they are.
I find that avoiding that Jeff Bezos rag is essential for my mental health, but it's beyond rational dispute that the dumbest motherfuckers in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania will decide who gets to be POTUS. Again.
The library where I work had voting yesterday and the turnout was trash. I am not in Bowman’s district but only the very motivated came out yesterday and AIPIC spent a grip to get Bowman out there were ads basically one after the other that painted him as a very scary black man. They made sure to darken his skin as well.
Fuck AIPIC into the sun.
Turnout in my state was absolutely pathetic 15%
This is how the wingnuts prevail
Aipac wields far too much influence over our policy and politics
"The library where I work had voting yesterday and the turnout was trash. I am not in Bowman’s district but only the very motivated came out yesterday"
Too hot. Not safe. Not healthy.
And I don't want to hear from one more idiot how "there's no voter suppression in NYC shut up shut up shut up"
"AIPIC spent a grip to get Bowman out there were ads basically one after the other that painted him as a very scary black man. They made sure to darken his skin as well."
Someone someday is going to have to explain to me why Hillary Clinton endorsed his opponent
But it's 90 degrees right now and I'm not sure that day is today
Because Hillary lives in the district and knows both candidates.
I lived in that district
I know both candidates
Here's another statement from another current constituent
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1806027926594375894?t=I187LBEEtG9inOgRCKLaOw&s=19
What you said is a response to the question, but it's not really a substantive one given the totality of issues under discussion
OK - more substantive - is HRC knows the district both people running and thought one would be the better Representative. Worth noting that the Dem Congressional candidate in the district immediately north also endorsed George, as did 11 of the 12 Dem committees in the district (the 12th declined to endorse anyone). In the district immediately to the south of us, that Representative all but endorsed George.
Also, Jamaal's entire campaign was built on trying to make the Democrats of Westchester (the Bronx piece is only about 10% of the district) believe that the person they'd worked with for years had somehow overnight became a MAGA-affiliated right winger. It didn't work because we know him.
Lots of people come to the library because it’s a cooling center and some people remembered to vote because they were cooling off at the library but the actual voter turnout was terrible.
Yeah, I don't give a fuck what Josh Marshall says, it is not "okay" when a deep pocket PAC that only EXISTS to advocate for a foreign government buys an election. That Bowman's positions made it possible to buy the election does not make it acceptable. Would Marshall be making excuses for a pro-Putin or pro-China PAC?
Nobody needs to be listening to Josh Marshall on a day like this or an issue like this.
For one thing, he's not closest to the pain.
People should be listening to Wajahat Ali
"Regardless of your opinion on Bowman, you shouldn't celebrate an interest group, in this case AIPAC and its big donors, spending a historic $14.5 million in a primary race. Probably not the best thing for democracy."
https://x.com/WajahatAli/status/1805772909136560644
and to Elie Mystal, who, in addition to being a double-Harvard-educated attorney and the Justice Correspondent for The Nation, also happens to be a constituent
"In any event, I think if our district is going to be the most expensive district to run in, in the country, then we should at least come out of it with a Congressperson who is going to be a leader instead of a warmed-over career politician placeholder."
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1806027926594375894
... which Josh Marshall is not
And if he is, he should be grilled about what plans he has to correct Latimer's historically abysmal RECORD of slowing desgregation in Westchester County down to a crawl
So we can all get this out in the open right now
You mention Westchester county, which really gets to the (other) heart of this. The Bronx and Westchester county suburbs really have no business being lumped together in the same district.
He was never a good fit for that district.
Offering a Constitutional law scholar & the Justice Correspondent for The Nation who also happens to be a constituent the final word
"In any event, I think if our district is going to be the most expensive district to run in, in the country, then we should at least come out of it with a Congressperson who is going to be a leader instead of a warmed-over career politician placeholder."
https://twitter.com/ElieNYC/status/1806027926594375894
They get a Congressman who knows how to get things done politically, instead of a showboat who was only good for stunts.
So it feels necessary to repeat this
"Regardless of your opinion on Bowman, you shouldn't celebrate an interest group, in this case AIPAC and its big donors, spending a historic $14.5 million in a primary race. Probably not the best thing for democracy."
https://twitter.com/WajahatAli/status/1805772909136560644
As well as - one more time - this
"Enslaved Black children
in America in 2024. 2024. 👇🏾"
https://twitter.com/CornellWBrooks/status/1805962256259113302
particularly as NON Jamal Bowman ALREADY HAD an ABYSMAL record on desegretation in Westchester County
I like Bowman and SOME of the things he espouses but if I lived in that district I would have voted Latimer. Biden is going to win and if he is to succeed in the second term he is going to need lots of unhesitating support from inside the tent to push his agenda. The Rethug agenda in Mein Kampf '25 makes party discipline a necessity not an option.
"The Rethug agenda in Mein Kampf '25 makes party discipline a necessity not an option."
I don't want to hear that kind of gaslighting. Nobody with any kind of integrity (oh, the irony) does, right now.
I'm quite tired of hearing that "party unity" nonsense when there could have been "party unity" for the incumbent
Especially when Latimer has an ALREADY ESTABLISHED ABYSMAL RECORD on desegregation in Westchester County as a county executive
What you're basically saying in light of Latimer's ALREADY ESTABLISHED ABYSMAL RECORD on desegregation is "wait for justice"
And James Baldwin said THIS 60 years ago -- so I don't imagine you have a single credible reason why a "wait for justice" message is timely now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK2KrJTsZ2k
And if you're planning on screeching some nonsense about "MERITOCRACYYYYYYY" today is really not the day for that slop either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bil1vAJcEZo
The people who actually made Mein Kampf possible were the "good Germans" who TURNED THEIR HEADS WHILE SEGREGATION TENDING TOWARDS GENOCIDE WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED IN REAL TIMIE.
So maybe think about Mein Kampf THAT way next time before you roll it out for some excuse to justify another call of "get behind the bigoted White man"
AIPIC got that funding from Republican donors Latimer is a whole lie.
You were much more diplomatic than I
But you usually are