If the law had passed, it would have been interesting to see how they interpreted the term "social transitioning." That's awfully vague and could be applied to a huge number of situations, most having nothing to do with gender.
Ta, Crip Dyke. I have known trans people for most of my life. I'm a staunch and proud ally, and shall so remain. Trans rights are human rights, full stop.
"predators in today’s society are “woke” health care providers who are preying on “confused” children" Yes a true national predator crises, with about 400 under 18/year get gender surgery. Keep punching down Republicans, it is all you got.
No "gender related care" like, I dunno, AFAB kids with hair in places they don't want hair? AMAB kids with breasts? Early puberty? Delayed puberty? Breast reduction or enhancement? Mental health care? Dysmenorrhea? This is all "gender related." These people are well past stupid.
> “No more than we would ever tell somebody with anorexia that they’re fat *would we tell a boy that they’re a girl or girl that they’re a boy,*” Steffen said.
Funny, because *THAT'S* *EXACTLY* WHAT* *YOU* FUCKNUTS* *ARE* DOING!!!*
I'll think of someone as being what their brain is, even if biology made their swimsuit zone different. And later research has backed up this brain study:
In other news, the Cass Report seems to have emboldened right wing news outlets. Such as this hatchet job from Scotland's Sunday Post (owned by anti union conservative publishers DC Thomson).
Acres of space for gender critical organisations and Conservative politicians, the right to reply a single paragraph at the bottom.
“No more than we would ever tell somebody with anorexia that they’re fat would we tell a boy that they’re a girl or girl that they’re a boy,” Steffen said.
As someone who suffered profoundly with various EDs, this person can fuck all the way off comparing these things.
Once again it matters when Democrats are in power, even by thin circumstances. Back Laura Kelly up and get to the polls to at the very least bolster challengers to the unreconstructed Republicans in Kansas' state legislature.
This seems like an appropriate place to point out that Mrs. Betty Bowers ( America's Best Christian ) has a new video out, which touches on this sort of legislation:
you and Erin have a point there. gay marriage went through similar Streisand effect motions, as I recall.
in the end I'll have to admit that I share your cynicism, Crip, but at the same time I'm also not giving up hope that these motherfuckers immolate themselves with votes.
“There's this new requirement on the prescribing authority chart at work. "Gender affirming care." They gotta be effing kidding.”
Text 2:
“It'll say active/no active legislation and then what's required if there is active legislation. I hate republicans.”
Text 3:
“The states it's showing are the usual suspects. Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma.
Since republicans all have medical degrees now, what will they do to fertility meds? There's quite the crossover with those.”
This fight is going to take all of us. ALL. OF. US. I’m obnoxious with how often I call and email my representatives in both state and federal government about gender equality. Trans-equality is gender equality. Don’t let anyone try to tell you otherwise. The attacks on transgender people are based in misogyny. This is a feminist issue. We need to fight for bodily autonomy and medical privacy across the board.
There are two biological sexes. That is well established and there is not much room for debate. yes, there are some anomalous configurations of X & Y, but they are relatively rare and do not contribute greatly to the issue at hand. Gender is an altogether different matter. Loosely defined it is a set of behaviors which society has deemed appropriate to correspond to an individual's biological sex. Being a purely social construct, it is determined solely by a consensus of opinion. it is a trait peculiar to humans, and there can be as many genders or variations thereof that a culture may find appropriate.
Gender identity is an individual choice. Moreover, I see no reason why people should be forced to undergo , costly, painful, and potentially hazardous medical treatment simply to act or dress in a manner which makes them feel comfortable or to be accepted for what they truly are by society. I feel that everyone has both male and female components to their personality and society should permit you to express that without recourse, and without concern for a person's outward physical appearance./
If it were a choice, trans people could simply their lives immensely.
>Moreover, I see no reason why people should be forced to undergo , costly, painful, and potentially hazardous medical treatment simply to act or dress in a manner which makes them feel comfortable or to be accepted for what they truly are by society.
Nobody is being "forced", unless you mean intersex babies who have had knives taken to their genitals to "correct" them.
It feels comforting to some to draw very clear lines so as to be able to say "on this side exists only this, and on the other side must exist just that." The reductionist idea that X and Y genes are the only things that determine how we understand our biological sex ignores the many diverse expressions all our other genes contribute to defining our sex. And sexes that aren't 100% male or female (whatever that really means) in humans aren't all some kind of bizarre one-off that you'll only find in some Ripley's Believe It Or Not Freakshow. Chances are better than good that you have already come in social contact with a person whose sex, not gender-- which is a different discussion, is less solidly in one camp or the other.
To say that sex is somehow a binary absolute nature invented before humans invented nature ignores the morphological and physiological diversity of human sexual expression. Science also has had zero problem recognizing three and even seven different sexes in non-human species, so what's the problem with accepting that human sexes may exist on more of a spectrum than has previously been understood?
"Biology is messy", says an activist to summarize the science.
Just one thing to shake up a mind is to look at clinical pictures of XY people with androgen insensitivity syndrome.
That activist, herself, had congenital adrenal hyperplasia, and her hyperactive adrenals produced so much testosterone that they reconfigured her body to the point that the delivery room doctor checked Male.
"Two sexes" is one of those things like "the Earth is a sphere", often a useful approximation but often inadequate.
Biological sex is what I just elucidated upon. You may be biologically mostly "male" yet also be biologically "female" in some significant determiners. That's not about gender. That's science, biological science.
I know one trans woman whose dysphoria was so bad that she needed total darkness to take a shower. There are people who need to make changes for their own benefit, not for others.
Most of what I said is fact. Gender is a complex thing Actually a state of being, My only stated belief is that both racial and gender identity are outmoded, useless and constrictive social constructs which should be tossed onto the trash heap of history. In reality, both are designed primarily to subjugate the individual. To make some people lesser or greater for no other reason than melanin contemn of the skin, texture of hair, or genital configuration.
If the law had passed, it would have been interesting to see how they interpreted the term "social transitioning." That's awfully vague and could be applied to a huge number of situations, most having nothing to do with gender.
Ta, Crip Dyke. I have known trans people for most of my life. I'm a staunch and proud ally, and shall so remain. Trans rights are human rights, full stop.
Yup.......I live in Thailand. I know and associate with, many, many trans people. Just folks trying to get on with their best life.......
"predators in today’s society are “woke” health care providers who are preying on “confused” children" Yes a true national predator crises, with about 400 under 18/year get gender surgery. Keep punching down Republicans, it is all you got.
And rabid right-wingers are in a mental, emotional, and ethical coma.
How is it not zero? I thought the WPATH standard of care was to buy time to reach adulthood before making irreversible decisions.
Don't take numbers seriously in a random comment on the internet.
Bigots succeeding at bigotry, indeed -- I guess they've put in their 10,000 hours, and then some.
Excellent news, beautifully written.
Many Thanks, CD!
No "gender related care" like, I dunno, AFAB kids with hair in places they don't want hair? AMAB kids with breasts? Early puberty? Delayed puberty? Breast reduction or enhancement? Mental health care? Dysmenorrhea? This is all "gender related." These people are well past stupid.
> “No more than we would ever tell somebody with anorexia that they’re fat *would we tell a boy that they’re a girl or girl that they’re a boy,*” Steffen said.
Funny, because *THAT'S* *EXACTLY* WHAT* *YOU* FUCKNUTS* *ARE* DOING!!!*
Somebody with anorexia is not fat.
Someone who says they are a girl is a girl. Same with boys.
Comparing apples and something totally unlike apples is not useful. Or sane.
Innit.
I'll think of someone as being what their brain is, even if biology made their swimsuit zone different. And later research has backed up this brain study:
https://pure.knaw.nl/portal/en/publications/a-sex-difference-in-the-human-brain-and-its-relation-to-transsexu
In other news, the Cass Report seems to have emboldened right wing news outlets. Such as this hatchet job from Scotland's Sunday Post (owned by anti union conservative publishers DC Thomson).
Acres of space for gender critical organisations and Conservative politicians, the right to reply a single paragraph at the bottom.
All that's missing is a JK Rowling quote.
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/sex-abuse-victim-told-change-gender-to-be-happy/
“No more than we would ever tell somebody with anorexia that they’re fat would we tell a boy that they’re a girl or girl that they’re a boy,” Steffen said.
As someone who suffered profoundly with various EDs, this person can fuck all the way off comparing these things.
Once again it matters when Democrats are in power, even by thin circumstances. Back Laura Kelly up and get to the polls to at the very least bolster challengers to the unreconstructed Republicans in Kansas' state legislature.
Legislature is important too!
Check your voter registration, check it twice.
This seems like an appropriate place to point out that Mrs. Betty Bowers ( America's Best Christian ) has a new video out, which touches on this sort of legislation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V945W3PXWM
There were 503 gun deaths in Kansas last year. According to top Republican scientists, ALL of them were committed by drag queens.
Even if the police had to dress them up afterwards. Much like police planting a gun on someone they just shot to death and then claiming self defense.
you and Erin have a point there. gay marriage went through similar Streisand effect motions, as I recall.
in the end I'll have to admit that I share your cynicism, Crip, but at the same time I'm also not giving up hope that these motherfuckers immolate themselves with votes.
Pharmacist daughter just texted me.
Text 1:
“There's this new requirement on the prescribing authority chart at work. "Gender affirming care." They gotta be effing kidding.”
Text 2:
“It'll say active/no active legislation and then what's required if there is active legislation. I hate republicans.”
Text 3:
“The states it's showing are the usual suspects. Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma.
Since republicans all have medical degrees now, what will they do to fertility meds? There's quite the crossover with those.”
This fight is going to take all of us. ALL. OF. US. I’m obnoxious with how often I call and email my representatives in both state and federal government about gender equality. Trans-equality is gender equality. Don’t let anyone try to tell you otherwise. The attacks on transgender people are based in misogyny. This is a feminist issue. We need to fight for bodily autonomy and medical privacy across the board.
*steps off soapbox*
Yep. It's all misogyny, homophobia, and pure HATE.
Nothing pure about their HATE. Or their version of religion.
>> " This is a feminist issue. We need to fight for bodily autonomy and medical privacy across the board." <<
Right there with you Cookie Lady. So with you that I just ate 4 cookies an hour ago. Now to spark some demonic chaos.
"The attacks on transgender people are based in misogyny."
trans-misogyny is its own circle of hell and way too many people don't even realize that they have it internalized.
There are two biological sexes. That is well established and there is not much room for debate. yes, there are some anomalous configurations of X & Y, but they are relatively rare and do not contribute greatly to the issue at hand. Gender is an altogether different matter. Loosely defined it is a set of behaviors which society has deemed appropriate to correspond to an individual's biological sex. Being a purely social construct, it is determined solely by a consensus of opinion. it is a trait peculiar to humans, and there can be as many genders or variations thereof that a culture may find appropriate.
Gender identity is an individual choice. Moreover, I see no reason why people should be forced to undergo , costly, painful, and potentially hazardous medical treatment simply to act or dress in a manner which makes them feel comfortable or to be accepted for what they truly are by society. I feel that everyone has both male and female components to their personality and society should permit you to express that without recourse, and without concern for a person's outward physical appearance./
Off the subject, but did you know that corn is botanically a fruit? Yet many people refer to it as a vegetable or even a grain. Shame on them.
>gender identity is an individual choice
Gender roles, all the cultural ideas about what men and women do, are choices.
It sure looks like gender identity is inbuilt, fixed, and strong. A tragic illustration, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
If it were a choice, trans people could simply their lives immensely.
>Moreover, I see no reason why people should be forced to undergo , costly, painful, and potentially hazardous medical treatment simply to act or dress in a manner which makes them feel comfortable or to be accepted for what they truly are by society.
Nobody is being "forced", unless you mean intersex babies who have had knives taken to their genitals to "correct" them.
Yes, I remember very clearly when I chose my gender at the age of four. Or was it forty? Hard to remember since it never happened.
Fucking Mennonites. QUELLE SURPRISE!
Don't feed the *#$*#(@ troll, please
It feels comforting to some to draw very clear lines so as to be able to say "on this side exists only this, and on the other side must exist just that." The reductionist idea that X and Y genes are the only things that determine how we understand our biological sex ignores the many diverse expressions all our other genes contribute to defining our sex. And sexes that aren't 100% male or female (whatever that really means) in humans aren't all some kind of bizarre one-off that you'll only find in some Ripley's Believe It Or Not Freakshow. Chances are better than good that you have already come in social contact with a person whose sex, not gender-- which is a different discussion, is less solidly in one camp or the other.
To say that sex is somehow a binary absolute nature invented before humans invented nature ignores the morphological and physiological diversity of human sexual expression. Science also has had zero problem recognizing three and even seven different sexes in non-human species, so what's the problem with accepting that human sexes may exist on more of a spectrum than has previously been understood?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2020/06/15/the-myth-of-biological-sex/?sh=3a39f44a76b9
"Biology is messy", says an activist to summarize the science.
Just one thing to shake up a mind is to look at clinical pictures of XY people with androgen insensitivity syndrome.
That activist, herself, had congenital adrenal hyperplasia, and her hyperactive adrenals produced so much testosterone that they reconfigured her body to the point that the delivery room doctor checked Male.
"Two sexes" is one of those things like "the Earth is a sphere", often a useful approximation but often inadequate.
I separate biological sex from gender. You may indeed be biologically male yet be feminine in gender, and visa versa.
Biological sex is what I just elucidated upon. You may be biologically mostly "male" yet also be biologically "female" in some significant determiners. That's not about gender. That's science, biological science.
"no reason why people should be forced to undergo , costly, painful, and potentially hazardous medical treatment"
No one is forced to undergo any medical treatment ever.
Indeed you are In order be masculine or feminine, society demands you look the part.
Which medical treatments are people forced to undergo? Please be specific.
You're feeding a pretentious and moronic troll. Just so you know.
"Forced" in the sense that they feel pressured by society to alter their physical appearance in order to gain acceptance of the true self.
Well one may feel compelled by societal pressures to look a certain way to meet their true self. Forced probably doesn’t apply in my opinion.
The ignorance here is mind-boggling.
That troll's posts are always mind-boggling ignorant.
Indeed the ignorance of society is mind boggling, as is the presumptive need to alter one's physical appearance in order to be who you are.
I know one trans woman whose dysphoria was so bad that she needed total darkness to take a shower. There are people who need to make changes for their own benefit, not for others.
Who are you if you are not biologically "100% male nor 100% female"?
Intersex. It's a biological thing.
Again, biological sex is not "gender". Gender is a social construct.
Again, ignoring the point only keeps things ignorant.
Most of what I said is fact. Gender is a complex thing Actually a state of being, My only stated belief is that both racial and gender identity are outmoded, useless and constrictive social constructs which should be tossed onto the trash heap of history. In reality, both are designed primarily to subjugate the individual. To make some people lesser or greater for no other reason than melanin contemn of the skin, texture of hair, or genital configuration.
I have read so many accounts of trans people finding that their gender identity was inexorable. Some invested years fighting it. Listen to them.
As we are still treating people unfairly on the basis of both race and gender, I submit we cannot yet afford to toss either concept.
Toss them and we eliminate the basis for unfair treatment. I think that will; eventually happen in a couple hundred years.
Binary human sex determination is also as biologically outmoded as gender identity.
I hate these fascist drama queens with a burning passion.