Thank you! I listened to it last year at this time and was worried sick when the court session adjourned without addressing this. What a revelation about Ginsburg's record on indigenous rights, huh? I was worried, hearing her questioning, as you were.
What an unexpected surprise this is!! I also recommend the podcast - the entire case is so fascinating.
But what's amazing is that oil companies fought this so hard, and yet here we are! I don't doubt that you're right, but I'll celebrate this victory against them and the or weak arguments for the moment.
Yeah, I read about it too. Funny how the company never brought up the native history before, that I've heard. Had they done so, and maybe started some charity for indigenous peoples, conservatives would not be now complaining about the removal of the woman from the logo.
Thanks for sharing that Ms Crofts. I would never have read it otherwise. I had no idea such lovely writing was produced by the Supremes. I learn more here....guess I should pay up.
those boundaries just show how much of Oklahoma was stolen before statehood . . . compare with the map in the article and you'll see that the west border of the original reservation was a straight line north not the convoluted crap that it had become by statehood time.
the reservation isn't half the state . . . it's more like three-quarters!
Nope. It’s just that, for whatever reason, he strongly believes in Native rights. Most of the conservative justices have one or two areas where their beliefs lead them to join the liberals: for Scalia, and to a lesser extent Thomas, it was criminal sentencing and confrontation clause jurisprudence. OTOH, Alito. That guy is always wrong
For a compelling historical view of the fuckery that the First Nation peoples have endured in OK in particular, one can do no better than to read “Killers of the Flower Moon” by David Grann. It details the story of the murder of (arguably) hundreds of Osage Tribe members by white people intent on stealing the great wealth of oil on their lands. It was also J. Edgar Hoover’s first big case for the FBI.
Depth of analysis, does that include choosing and attending a fun night of watching your favorite leader, and hanging with all his friends, while at the same time, all of your virus fantasies coming true??? Asking for a friend who loves to say shucky ducky....
The map from the article is from 1856 right after the Chickasaw Nation separated from the Choctaw Nation. The Seminole Nation would separate from the Muskogee Creek Nation later that same year. The map changed in 1866 following the Civil War. This was in retaliation for the Five Nations officially joining the Confederacy. This would lead to the U.S. Government to removing the Plains Nations from their original homelands to what is now Oklahoma. The map from Ordinary Joe shows the Twin Territories (Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory) from around the year 1900. My map from the Oklahoma Historical Society show how the different part of the Oklahoma Territory were opened settlement to people of northern European, and others, descent. No Man's Land (now the Oklahoma Panhandle, which used to be a "neutral zone" (kinda like Old West Star Trek without Data and with the Texans being expansionist Romulans, while Kansas is the Federation)) was created after Texas was shrunk down to its almost current borders in 1850. No Man's Land became part of the Oklahoma Territory in 1890. Greer County used to be a part of Texas until a Supreme Court ruling in 1896 gave Greer County to the Oklahoma Territory. This ruling would give Texas its current shape.
Will Trump 2020 flags from Florida work if you don't have Pendleton blankets??? Asking for a friend...
Thank you! I listened to it last year at this time and was worried sick when the court session adjourned without addressing this. What a revelation about Ginsburg's record on indigenous rights, huh? I was worried, hearing her questioning, as you were.
What an unexpected surprise this is!! I also recommend the podcast - the entire case is so fascinating.
But what's amazing is that oil companies fought this so hard, and yet here we are! I don't doubt that you're right, but I'll celebrate this victory against them and the or weak arguments for the moment.
Yeah, I read about it too. Funny how the company never brought up the native history before, that I've heard. Had they done so, and maybe started some charity for indigenous peoples, conservatives would not be now complaining about the removal of the woman from the logo.
WaPo opinion piece by the son of the designer:
https://www.washingtonpost....
Not “will be”. The border IS closed, and us Canadians aren’t keen to open it any time soon. Having a raging pandemic will do that.
Thanks for sharing that Ms Crofts. I would never have read it otherwise. I had no idea such lovely writing was produced by the Supremes. I learn more here....guess I should pay up.
those boundaries just show how much of Oklahoma was stolen before statehood . . . compare with the map in the article and you'll see that the west border of the original reservation was a straight line north not the convoluted crap that it had become by statehood time.
the reservation isn't half the state . . . it's more like three-quarters!
Nope. It’s just that, for whatever reason, he strongly believes in Native rights. Most of the conservative justices have one or two areas where their beliefs lead them to join the liberals: for Scalia, and to a lesser extent Thomas, it was criminal sentencing and confrontation clause jurisprudence. OTOH, Alito. That guy is always wrong
IMNSHFO truer words have never been spoken. My respect for her Is boundless.
For a compelling historical view of the fuckery that the First Nation peoples have endured in OK in particular, one can do no better than to read “Killers of the Flower Moon” by David Grann. It details the story of the murder of (arguably) hundreds of Osage Tribe members by white people intent on stealing the great wealth of oil on their lands. It was also J. Edgar Hoover’s first big case for the FBI.
Depth of analysis, does that include choosing and attending a fun night of watching your favorite leader, and hanging with all his friends, while at the same time, all of your virus fantasies coming true??? Asking for a friend who loves to say shucky ducky....
True story of how my mom's side of the family ended up in Oklahoma along with the rest of the Choctaw Nation back in the day.
You may resume calling him 'Whitebread' next week.
The map from the article is from 1856 right after the Chickasaw Nation separated from the Choctaw Nation. The Seminole Nation would separate from the Muskogee Creek Nation later that same year. The map changed in 1866 following the Civil War. This was in retaliation for the Five Nations officially joining the Confederacy. This would lead to the U.S. Government to removing the Plains Nations from their original homelands to what is now Oklahoma. The map from Ordinary Joe shows the Twin Territories (Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory) from around the year 1900. My map from the Oklahoma Historical Society show how the different part of the Oklahoma Territory were opened settlement to people of northern European, and others, descent. No Man's Land (now the Oklahoma Panhandle, which used to be a "neutral zone" (kinda like Old West Star Trek without Data and with the Texans being expansionist Romulans, while Kansas is the Federation)) was created after Texas was shrunk down to its almost current borders in 1850. No Man's Land became part of the Oklahoma Territory in 1890. Greer County used to be a part of Texas until a Supreme Court ruling in 1896 gave Greer County to the Oklahoma Territory. This ruling would give Texas its current shape.
https://www.okhistory.org/i...
so . . . even more fucked.