Here in Nebraska at the moment abortion is still legal, as the ban bill was defeated in the Unicameral. Then the anti-trans bill was defeated, then State Sen. Kathleen Kauth (R, District 31, far-western Omaha) stuck them both together to get wingnuts for both bills to pass it. That was immediately challenged under the "one-subject rule" of the state constitution, where it's on hold while it's slugged out. On the High Plains from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, this is the only legal state.
Given that there is a huge shortage of physicians in the U.S., especially in those states run by god-bothering misogynists, we might take a look at countries that do better. One such country is Cuba, which graduates about 5000 (*) physicians a year from ELAM in Havana. That's about 1/6 as many physicians as the 28,753 graduated from U.S. medical schools in 2022. The population of Cuba is 1/30 the population of the U.S., so Cuba is five times more productive that the U.S.
(*) While the Wikipedia page states that ELAM has about 10,000 students, it also says that in 2012 it had close to 20,000 students. I was not able to find current stats on the ELAM website, but I am hampered by the fact that the Jesuits at my high school considered Latin to be more useful than Spanish. I think they thought that I was good priest material. Wrong!
I really hate these sorts of comments. "You live in an abortion ban state? Well why don't you just move?" It seems no one ever volunteers to put up money, housing, or a job. Just bashing women in a position where they can do nothing, rather than you know, helping.
When Nebraska State Senator Megan Hunt and others fought off both the abortion ban and we hate trans people ban, there was lots of cheering from the Democratic Party and others from out-of-state. She made a note the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (the PAC for electing state and local Democrats) has never spent a dime in this state. None. Nada.
Slightly ot but not. I just went in for my yearly- I go to planned parenthood cause I like to support them both with my insurance dollars and donations. They have had to shift one of their offices in my mid size Virginia city to just doing abortions because 1- they are so overrun with outside the state requests and patients. We are literally one of 2 east coast southern states without the ridiculous abortion rules (ie 6 weeks). And 2- they are getting additional grants to cope but some of the requirements are just for either stand alone abortion facilities or just women’s health that doesn’t do abortion.
The NP said they are doing the best they can but it’s overwhelming and heartbreaking.
Oh no! I am from Virginia and I know full well how many Virginians rely on PP for birth control & health care. These abortion bans have far-reaching effects!
"On Monday, they released a study confirming a link between abortion bans and an increased risk of intimate partner violence."
Jeez, I can't imagine why... Maybe it's because Republican men don't want to support no goddamn freeloadin' babies? Don't want to take responsibility for the actions of their peeners? Easy-peasy: it's not abortion if it's a full-grown woman!
Now hand me the Viagra while I pass a bill mandating insurance companies pay for boner pills.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Power-Mad White Evangelical Republican.
The loss of primary care physicians predates these draconian bills-not that they won't make it worse. The cost to train an MD is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars these days. Unless that student comes from an ultra-rich family that means student loans. (Note: Kids from those sort of families who go into medicine go into high-paying specialties, not primary care.) It is not uncommon for applicants to come in with over 300 thousand in student loans (that is the PRINCIPAL). Primary care has the HIGHEST hours and the LOWEST pay and if you do OB, you will need to need to carry insurance for the rest of your life because there is no statute of limitations when it comes to claims of birth injuries.
I recognize and give all props to medical professionals who practice voluntarily in shithole places, like war zones and famine areas and after natural disasters. But FFS why would you practice in a place where the shitholery is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE?!? Yes, many of the poor people (literally and figuratively) in these states did not vote for these policies, and have little power to change things. But they have more power than someone buried in an earthquake! I’m sorry, and I acknowledge it is cruel of me, but I say let the medical brain drain accelerate! At SOME point even Billy-Bob and Cletus may get a clue, when they can’t go to a doctor when they put their hand in the thresher (again). And then maybe they might vote along with the rest of the grownups.
As for the poor people who are stuck in their shithole state? Maybe federally funded emergency clinics located on the borders in all adjacent states, with busses to transport people to them? Not ideal, but better than nothing until Cletus pulls his hand out of the thresher and his head out of his ass.
They just blame Obamacare and illegal immigrants. If we didn’t insure all those poor people they would get see a walk-in provider in 5 minutes. Because they refuse to understand that preventative care is cheaper and faster for everyone, including for them.
More like “If that one imaginary person who I’ve been told definitely exists and been told to hate might get something good, I’d prefer that I and all my friends and neighbors don’t get it.”
Nice succinct description of the conflict between physicians’ ethical duty in potentially life- and limb-threatening situations and the fascists’ intent to preserve fetuses regardless of the consequences to women. The drop-off in residencies would be even greater except that there aren’t any alternatives to getting the training needed to be an accomplished physician in any specialty. I hope the students who do accept positions in anti-abortion states understand the risks they’ll run from the first day of their ER, obgyn, pediatric or family medicine rotations.
Let me get this straight. The "baby" is "innocent." So we're supposed to infer that the girl was *guilty* of...getting raped?
I guess that's not such a new concept(ion) after all.
As always, the cruelty is the point.
Here in Nebraska at the moment abortion is still legal, as the ban bill was defeated in the Unicameral. Then the anti-trans bill was defeated, then State Sen. Kathleen Kauth (R, District 31, far-western Omaha) stuck them both together to get wingnuts for both bills to pass it. That was immediately challenged under the "one-subject rule" of the state constitution, where it's on hold while it's slugged out. On the High Plains from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, this is the only legal state.
Given that there is a huge shortage of physicians in the U.S., especially in those states run by god-bothering misogynists, we might take a look at countries that do better. One such country is Cuba, which graduates about 5000 (*) physicians a year from ELAM in Havana. That's about 1/6 as many physicians as the 28,753 graduated from U.S. medical schools in 2022. The population of Cuba is 1/30 the population of the U.S., so Cuba is five times more productive that the U.S.
Here are some links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_School_of_Medicine
https://instituciones.sld.cu/elam/
(*) While the Wikipedia page states that ELAM has about 10,000 students, it also says that in 2012 it had close to 20,000 students. I was not able to find current stats on the ELAM website, but I am hampered by the fact that the Jesuits at my high school considered Latin to be more useful than Spanish. I think they thought that I was good priest material. Wrong!
Ta, Robyn. Any woman who wants to live in an abortion ban state needs her head examined.
Dodie Done Do.
I really hate these sorts of comments. "You live in an abortion ban state? Well why don't you just move?" It seems no one ever volunteers to put up money, housing, or a job. Just bashing women in a position where they can do nothing, rather than you know, helping.
When Nebraska State Senator Megan Hunt and others fought off both the abortion ban and we hate trans people ban, there was lots of cheering from the Democratic Party and others from out-of-state. She made a note the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (the PAC for electing state and local Democrats) has never spent a dime in this state. None. Nada.
Slightly ot but not. I just went in for my yearly- I go to planned parenthood cause I like to support them both with my insurance dollars and donations. They have had to shift one of their offices in my mid size Virginia city to just doing abortions because 1- they are so overrun with outside the state requests and patients. We are literally one of 2 east coast southern states without the ridiculous abortion rules (ie 6 weeks). And 2- they are getting additional grants to cope but some of the requirements are just for either stand alone abortion facilities or just women’s health that doesn’t do abortion.
The NP said they are doing the best they can but it’s overwhelming and heartbreaking.
Oh no! I am from Virginia and I know full well how many Virginians rely on PP for birth control & health care. These abortion bans have far-reaching effects!
"intimate partner violence–related homicides of women and girls ages 10–44
girls ages 10-
GIRLS AGES 10-
Not that the other ages of people experencing intimate partner violence–related homicides is okay because everyone age 10+ is important you assholes!
"On Monday, they released a study confirming a link between abortion bans and an increased risk of intimate partner violence."
Jeez, I can't imagine why... Maybe it's because Republican men don't want to support no goddamn freeloadin' babies? Don't want to take responsibility for the actions of their peeners? Easy-peasy: it's not abortion if it's a full-grown woman!
Now hand me the Viagra while I pass a bill mandating insurance companies pay for boner pills.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Power-Mad White Evangelical Republican.
There's a reason these congenital shitheads were kicked out of Europe...
Europe sends you to med school for free and then gives people health care for free. Not strictly true, but pretty much.
(MsSF, as it turns out, got more than a thousand Ameros worth of emergency room care for free in Italy just last week. Bad flu, she's fine.)
i'm in favor of having a stone tablet in front of each of the 3,142 county courthouses in the US on which is carved the 10 commandments. in hebrew.
The loss of primary care physicians predates these draconian bills-not that they won't make it worse. The cost to train an MD is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars these days. Unless that student comes from an ultra-rich family that means student loans. (Note: Kids from those sort of families who go into medicine go into high-paying specialties, not primary care.) It is not uncommon for applicants to come in with over 300 thousand in student loans (that is the PRINCIPAL). Primary care has the HIGHEST hours and the LOWEST pay and if you do OB, you will need to need to carry insurance for the rest of your life because there is no statute of limitations when it comes to claims of birth injuries.
I recognize and give all props to medical professionals who practice voluntarily in shithole places, like war zones and famine areas and after natural disasters. But FFS why would you practice in a place where the shitholery is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE?!? Yes, many of the poor people (literally and figuratively) in these states did not vote for these policies, and have little power to change things. But they have more power than someone buried in an earthquake! I’m sorry, and I acknowledge it is cruel of me, but I say let the medical brain drain accelerate! At SOME point even Billy-Bob and Cletus may get a clue, when they can’t go to a doctor when they put their hand in the thresher (again). And then maybe they might vote along with the rest of the grownups.
As for the poor people who are stuck in their shithole state? Maybe federally funded emergency clinics located on the borders in all adjacent states, with busses to transport people to them? Not ideal, but better than nothing until Cletus pulls his hand out of the thresher and his head out of his ass.
They just blame Obamacare and illegal immigrants. If we didn’t insure all those poor people they would get see a walk-in provider in 5 minutes. Because they refuse to understand that preventative care is cheaper and faster for everyone, including for them.
"If EVERYONE gets a good thing, we shouldn't have it at all."
More like “If that one imaginary person who I’ve been told definitely exists and been told to hate might get something good, I’d prefer that I and all my friends and neighbors don’t get it.”
You shouldn't post a phrase like "they're in dire need of funds" without a contribution link. That's just elementary.
There were worse quotes from that Louisiana hearing.
Nice succinct description of the conflict between physicians’ ethical duty in potentially life- and limb-threatening situations and the fascists’ intent to preserve fetuses regardless of the consequences to women. The drop-off in residencies would be even greater except that there aren’t any alternatives to getting the training needed to be an accomplished physician in any specialty. I hope the students who do accept positions in anti-abortion states understand the risks they’ll run from the first day of their ER, obgyn, pediatric or family medicine rotations.
Post-birth abortions for Rethuglicans is a policy that has my enthusiastic support.
*Looks at Congress*
Up to about the age of 80.