If he’s not on the primary ballot, his insane followers will just write him in, and he’ll win anyway. If a few states disqualify him, he’s still going to win enough delegates in the other states to be their nominee. The job of disqualifying this subhuman monster belonged to Mitch McConnell et al in 2021, and they chose not to do it.
This decision is stupid. What is the secretary of state's job then? There is no constitutional requirement for political parties. They have 'constitutional obligation '.
I guess I got confused earlier in the day when I first posted that the Michigan SC had ruled that the effort to remove PAB from the ballot was based on Michigan state law and constitution, when they really only ruled on the procedural abilities of the SoS to remove him. I later saw that the Michigan Supreme Court had returned the suit to the lower court - but it turns out the suit never made it that far. I guess that's one of the pitfalls of a) not being a lawyer, and b) perhaps reading reports insufficiently.
Why are Rs so hung up on "being convicted of" engaging in insurrection for the DQ? Would a conviction of being under 35 or being foreign-born also be required? Engage is fairly broadly defined. Would a kicker who deflects a ball into their own net have been "engaged" in the other team's win? Sorta. The fans would convict on mere observation. With PAB it was much clearer.
It is a straw for them to cling to, and they love to turn our reasonable positions (not guilty until conviction) inside out to use against us, makes them feel smart, not stupid like everybody says. What other excuse could they use, to defend the indefensible? It's not like he carried on his insurrectionary activities sub rosa, he was just as loud and obviously villainous as he always is, having no more idea of possible consequences than the dog who fouls the bathroom rug.
I still don’t believe she has a chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination. In fact, I think she’s just about peaked in terms of her support among primary voters.
For clarity’s sake it helps to remember that the Michigan GOP set $1.8 million on fire during 2023, which is an off year, and as of June had less than $150,000 liquid cash on hand.
It was always going to be like this. No Hail Mary pass is going to save us from having to face (and defeat) President Klan Robe again. We have to do the same thing we did n 2020 and 2022, and vote out the Republicans. Each one teach one, we have our assignment...in overwhelming numbers defeat these fascists at the ballot.
I do wish people would stop referring to the self-executing sections of the 14th Amendment as "Hail Mary passes". Perhaps folks who refer to it like that might want to brush up on both how and why it came to be there in the first place, and what it represents.
I've also noticed that folks who respond to the issue by saying things like this
" we have our assignment...in overwhelming numbers defeat these fascists at the ballot."
are completely out of responses to the follow-up question
"But what if the Republicans successfully CHEAT?
Either at preventing eligible voters from voting, or -- as many states have already tried to do -- purging rolls so that voters who are actually eligible are rendered ineligible by literal force (see OH and VA, both Republican-controlled) or by doing the GA, FL, or NC and refusing to count ballots once they are cast?"
Funnily enough (not funny at all, really) -- the folks who refuse to acknowledge that those "judges" who kick the can down the road by refusing to respond to the Constitutional mandate are the same ones who have no solutions for those questions.
If Republicans can just cheat elections away there's nothing that's worth fighting for and America is over. So all of this is moot.
Implicit in my exhortation for overwhelming numbers is 'numbers too big to manipulate.' That has been the gold standard since 2000.
I will continue to refer to this 14th Amendment distraction as a Hail Mary because plain language or not, these do not apply to President Klan Robe as he is the figurehead of a racist, fascist movement that is blessed by the demographics enshrined in America as originally devised. We are at a structural disadvantage due to this; for example the Senate and Electoral College both greatly bolster the interests of rural conservative landowner-settlers. If we stretch credulity and say, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama made 14th-amendment-worthy insurrections I would argue they'd be more likely to be barred. And it's all due to who these respective parties represent.
Because of these facts, even if Colorado manages to keep President Klan Robe off the ballot, tit-for-tat will just ensue and because of that rural conservative bias of our government, there'll be plenty of legislatures and Aileen Cannon types to pull the asshole out of the fire.
The bar is always higher for us to clear because of that cheating, and the in-kind donations mass media give to President Klan Robe and his ilk to help soften the impact of his shittiness. But try we must because even if we fail, at least we tried.
Again, if the Republicans have this power (and a lot of this was tried - this was how Marc Elias gained fame after all), then everything, this website and in fact the world are moot. Because when the USA falls to fascism, that's it for the world.
Simply stop voting machines from being set up in Detroit, Atlanta, Tucson, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia. Five cities. No voting. Game over. America over.
Good explanation of state's rights in the various states. Thank you. (Still sorry MI couldn't boot him off ballot.)
If he’s not on the primary ballot, his insane followers will just write him in, and he’ll win anyway. If a few states disqualify him, he’s still going to win enough delegates in the other states to be their nominee. The job of disqualifying this subhuman monster belonged to Mitch McConnell et al in 2021, and they chose not to do it.
This decision is stupid. What is the secretary of state's job then? There is no constitutional requirement for political parties. They have 'constitutional obligation '.
I guess I got confused earlier in the day when I first posted that the Michigan SC had ruled that the effort to remove PAB from the ballot was based on Michigan state law and constitution, when they really only ruled on the procedural abilities of the SoS to remove him. I later saw that the Michigan Supreme Court had returned the suit to the lower court - but it turns out the suit never made it that far. I guess that's one of the pitfalls of a) not being a lawyer, and b) perhaps reading reports insufficiently.
This whole conversation is friggin ridiculous. Of course the 14th applies. It's patently obvious.
As long as he loses, Biden wins, and Trump further damages and bankrupts the GQP nationwide, it’s all good.
Deposits are always higher in Michigan
But the trees are just the right height.
Why are Rs so hung up on "being convicted of" engaging in insurrection for the DQ? Would a conviction of being under 35 or being foreign-born also be required? Engage is fairly broadly defined. Would a kicker who deflects a ball into their own net have been "engaged" in the other team's win? Sorta. The fans would convict on mere observation. With PAB it was much clearer.
Civil War veterans weren't prosecuted either. They were sent home where they were not allowed to serve federal office.
It is a straw for them to cling to, and they love to turn our reasonable positions (not guilty until conviction) inside out to use against us, makes them feel smart, not stupid like everybody says. What other excuse could they use, to defend the indefensible? It's not like he carried on his insurrectionary activities sub rosa, he was just as loud and obviously villainous as he always is, having no more idea of possible consequences than the dog who fouls the bathroom rug.
REVENGE
The phrase "pathetic gambit" originated in PABOTUS' fevered brain just like Dean Phillips will be President someday. That is, not a chance...
Ta, Dok. Did President Obama sleep in that bed, so now the elephant has to pee on it while TFG watches?
Gavin Newsom is opposed to removing PAB from the ballot in California. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we WANT PAB to run against OHJB?
I don't. I want him in Arkham Asylum.
Arkham is too good for him. Send him to the Phantom Zone.
I’d rather fuck him out of as many electoral votes as possible. It’s what he’d do to us.
I work our local elections. A lot of his supporters won't vote if he's not on the ballot. That's good for democrats down ballot.
Yes, but then we wind up with a Nikki Haley type, who would be a bigger threat to OHJB.
I still don’t believe she has a chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination. In fact, I think she’s just about peaked in terms of her support among primary voters.
Lessmentum.
I don’t buy those numbers *at all.*
Only fitting and fully justified.
The perspective in that image is freaking me out a little
The only thing missing from the hed picture is the elephant rearing back and unleashing a torrent of shit directly at the Trump portrait.
They call that "retrofili-ng" in the art world.
that portrait could be alfred e neuman if it were smiling
For clarity’s sake it helps to remember that the Michigan GOP set $1.8 million on fire during 2023, which is an off year, and as of June had less than $150,000 liquid cash on hand.
They still have their REAL strength in that they are the Terrorist Party, and death threats await whoever thwarts their villainy.
It was always going to be like this. No Hail Mary pass is going to save us from having to face (and defeat) President Klan Robe again. We have to do the same thing we did n 2020 and 2022, and vote out the Republicans. Each one teach one, we have our assignment...in overwhelming numbers defeat these fascists at the ballot.
Sadly, I agree with you. This is ultimately going to go to the Supreme Court and they aren’t going to block Trump like he’s a common Al Gore.
Blob of trans fats 2024. Do your job.
I do wish people would stop referring to the self-executing sections of the 14th Amendment as "Hail Mary passes". Perhaps folks who refer to it like that might want to brush up on both how and why it came to be there in the first place, and what it represents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpcI7PbGPJE&t=06m47s
I've also noticed that folks who respond to the issue by saying things like this
" we have our assignment...in overwhelming numbers defeat these fascists at the ballot."
are completely out of responses to the follow-up question
"But what if the Republicans successfully CHEAT?
Either at preventing eligible voters from voting, or -- as many states have already tried to do -- purging rolls so that voters who are actually eligible are rendered ineligible by literal force (see OH and VA, both Republican-controlled) or by doing the GA, FL, or NC and refusing to count ballots once they are cast?"
Funnily enough (not funny at all, really) -- the folks who refuse to acknowledge that those "judges" who kick the can down the road by refusing to respond to the Constitutional mandate are the same ones who have no solutions for those questions.
If Republicans can just cheat elections away there's nothing that's worth fighting for and America is over. So all of this is moot.
Implicit in my exhortation for overwhelming numbers is 'numbers too big to manipulate.' That has been the gold standard since 2000.
I will continue to refer to this 14th Amendment distraction as a Hail Mary because plain language or not, these do not apply to President Klan Robe as he is the figurehead of a racist, fascist movement that is blessed by the demographics enshrined in America as originally devised. We are at a structural disadvantage due to this; for example the Senate and Electoral College both greatly bolster the interests of rural conservative landowner-settlers. If we stretch credulity and say, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama made 14th-amendment-worthy insurrections I would argue they'd be more likely to be barred. And it's all due to who these respective parties represent.
Because of these facts, even if Colorado manages to keep President Klan Robe off the ballot, tit-for-tat will just ensue and because of that rural conservative bias of our government, there'll be plenty of legislatures and Aileen Cannon types to pull the asshole out of the fire.
The bar is always higher for us to clear because of that cheating, and the in-kind donations mass media give to President Klan Robe and his ilk to help soften the impact of his shittiness. But try we must because even if we fail, at least we tried.
Again, if the Republicans have this power (and a lot of this was tried - this was how Marc Elias gained fame after all), then everything, this website and in fact the world are moot. Because when the USA falls to fascism, that's it for the world.
Will the last to leave please turn out the lights?
Simply stop voting machines from being set up in Detroit, Atlanta, Tucson, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia. Five cities. No voting. Game over. America over.
The answer to “But what if the Republicans successfully CHEAT?” is “We are fucked.”
We will be nostalgic for the utopia of 2020 when GOP policies killed only a million Americans.