As an attorney I personally feel prosecutors who play an active role in securing convictions in the face of exculpatory evidence should face jail time themselves. False confessions and unreliable eyewitness testimony have resulted in the convictions of many innocent people, often despite solid alibis or other exculpatory evidence. The first oath a prosecutor should take is to pursue the truth, not convictions at all costs.
We need to put this in terms people actually care about. Taxpayer money. A whoke lotta money is being wasted convicting innocent people and rhen fighting to keep rhem there. Is Bailey elected? I hope he gets voted our or fired.
The felon loves getting his ass kissed so much he endorsed all the Republicans running for MO AG. (Maybe 2/3). And their crazy ass ads are all border, China, and the Convicted Felon wants me to be your top cop. Just a gross shitshow of stupid fealty to the strange cult. How is anybody buying this con?
You know, part of the reason, I’m sure, that people like Andrew Bailey fight so damn hard to keep obviously innocent (or at least obviously not guilty) people in prison is because they think if people keep getting out of prison because they were wrongly convicted, people will lose faith in the justice system’s ability to keep them safe.
You're nicer than me. I figure he, or a family member, or buddy, has shares in whatever for profit prison these people are being held at.
Is there a secret cabal of F*d up DAs where the likes of he & Ken Paxton gather a campfire & try to one up each other w their tales of how scary the world is & they are the only sane gatekeepers?
Clarence would have to sit outside the circle, under some sort of spotlight so's that all the White fellows could relax and keep an eye on the ni___r in their midst.
Another liberalizing of my views as I got older: the death penalty. I used to think that if someone committed a heinous crime, sure kill them. Why pay to keep them in jail for years? The system says they are guilty, so they are guilty. Stick the needle in.
Now I realize that there are LOTS of people who the system said committed heinous crimes, who actually didn’t. Including, and more often, people of color. And if the death penalty was applied early and often, they wouldn’t have a chance to be exonerated. And those who really did do something horrible? So fucking what. Keep them in prison for 50 years, or give them a chance to demonstrate remorse and growth and let them out. What fucking civilized society kills people, just because it’s the cheapest option?
(Given I KNOW it’s generally more expensive to apply the death penalty; just comparing it to my former position)
These crimes don't arise out of nothing. That is the real problem. No other nation in the West has the rate of incarceration of the USA. Hell, NO OTHER NATION on the planet locks up as many people as the USA does. And there are countries with higher incarceration rates out there (El Salvador has that dubious distinction).
What is driving these high rates in a very very wealthy nation? That is the crux of the matter. Attack the causes of crime* and at the very least you get to deal with the truly depraved individuals out there. And don't be afraid to look for them in boardrooms and billionaire retreats.
I'm a sort-of backwards liberal when it comes to the death penalty: I believe that some people deserve the death penalty, and furthermore, I believe it's sometimes possible to figure out exactly who those people are.
But I oppose the death penalty, because it has become glaringly apparent that societies and governments are simply unable to go about it fairly and competently.
My state passed a ballot measure imposing harsher penalties on those who shoot or kill cops. My attitude was that people choose to be police officers, which might or might not be a dangerous job (based on what they do), but that’s a risk they take. I think my life is just as valuable as theirs, so I voted against it. Of course it passed anyway.
The death penalty, as it is applied in the US, is one of the last vestiges of lynching culture. It is the state being able to say to black people, "We can kill you anytime we feel like, and we'll make up a reason if we need to. So watch out, n-word."
As an attorney I personally feel prosecutors who play an active role in securing convictions in the face of exculpatory evidence should face jail time themselves. False confessions and unreliable eyewitness testimony have resulted in the convictions of many innocent people, often despite solid alibis or other exculpatory evidence. The first oath a prosecutor should take is to pursue the truth, not convictions at all costs.
I am unhappy that Bailey was not jailed for contempt.
The police havev an incentive to close cases. They don't have an incentive to find justice.
You are kinder than I am. I hope Andrew Bailey gets convicted of a crime he didn't do and rots in prison for 20 years or so.
Missouri is politically FUCKED UP.
i keeep saying it
"testimony bought with the most valuable coin, time outside, is worthless"
Well, and he just likes keeping certain kinds of people locked up.
THOSE people......If you can't shoot them in the back, this is the next best thing innit?
Exactly.
Ta, Robyn. Justice, or Just Us White Folk.
We need to put this in terms people actually care about. Taxpayer money. A whoke lotta money is being wasted convicting innocent people and rhen fighting to keep rhem there. Is Bailey elected? I hope he gets voted our or fired.
If only people in Misery cared about anything but hate...
The felon loves getting his ass kissed so much he endorsed all the Republicans running for MO AG. (Maybe 2/3). And their crazy ass ads are all border, China, and the Convicted Felon wants me to be your top cop. Just a gross shitshow of stupid fealty to the strange cult. How is anybody buying this con?
Is this the guy who's prosecuting our Wonk friend Queen Maebe?
You know, part of the reason, I’m sure, that people like Andrew Bailey fight so damn hard to keep obviously innocent (or at least obviously not guilty) people in prison is because they think if people keep getting out of prison because they were wrongly convicted, people will lose faith in the justice system’s ability to keep them safe.
You're nicer than me. I figure he, or a family member, or buddy, has shares in whatever for profit prison these people are being held at.
But I am seriously cynical anymore.
Or he has designs on higher office.
Or, like the Orange Menace, admitting you’re wrong is an unforgivable sign of weakness and a gateway to the dreaded “soft on crime” tag.
Is there a secret cabal of F*d up DAs where the likes of he & Ken Paxton gather a campfire & try to one up each other w their tales of how scary the world is & they are the only sane gatekeepers?
You know, invite only. Probably involves Harlan Crow & Uncle Clarence.
https://republicanags.com
Gross.
Clarence would have to sit outside the circle, under some sort of spotlight so's that all the White fellows could relax and keep an eye on the ni___r in their midst.
"¡¡¡¡¡ NONE AM INNOCENT THE PUNISHING EYES OF OUR LORD GOD A'MIGHTY AMEN!!!!!"
I guess Andrew Bailey is just firmly dedicated to upholding the spirit of the state motto: Missouri Loves Company.
Another liberalizing of my views as I got older: the death penalty. I used to think that if someone committed a heinous crime, sure kill them. Why pay to keep them in jail for years? The system says they are guilty, so they are guilty. Stick the needle in.
Now I realize that there are LOTS of people who the system said committed heinous crimes, who actually didn’t. Including, and more often, people of color. And if the death penalty was applied early and often, they wouldn’t have a chance to be exonerated. And those who really did do something horrible? So fucking what. Keep them in prison for 50 years, or give them a chance to demonstrate remorse and growth and let them out. What fucking civilized society kills people, just because it’s the cheapest option?
(Given I KNOW it’s generally more expensive to apply the death penalty; just comparing it to my former position)
These crimes don't arise out of nothing. That is the real problem. No other nation in the West has the rate of incarceration of the USA. Hell, NO OTHER NATION on the planet locks up as many people as the USA does. And there are countries with higher incarceration rates out there (El Salvador has that dubious distinction).
What is driving these high rates in a very very wealthy nation? That is the crux of the matter. Attack the causes of crime* and at the very least you get to deal with the truly depraved individuals out there. And don't be afraid to look for them in boardrooms and billionaire retreats.
*and let's be honest, in is inequality
. . . with economic inequality near, or at the top, of the list.
I'm a sort-of backwards liberal when it comes to the death penalty: I believe that some people deserve the death penalty, and furthermore, I believe it's sometimes possible to figure out exactly who those people are.
But I oppose the death penalty, because it has become glaringly apparent that societies and governments are simply unable to go about it fairly and competently.
Yup
It’s all about race and economic status rather than who’s a danger to society. Odd that a system set up by rich whitefellas would turn out like that
My state passed a ballot measure imposing harsher penalties on those who shoot or kill cops. My attitude was that people choose to be police officers, which might or might not be a dangerous job (based on what they do), but that’s a risk they take. I think my life is just as valuable as theirs, so I voted against it. Of course it passed anyway.
The death penalty, as it is applied in the US, is one of the last vestiges of lynching culture. It is the state being able to say to black people, "We can kill you anytime we feel like, and we'll make up a reason if we need to. So watch out, n-word."