Hi, can you shine some light on these messages on government websites? I mean, I'm not shocked, but it feels really gross, if you know what I mean? Like either through Wonkette or otherwise? I hate that this is where we're at, tbh.
This kind of thing is obviously nonsensical in a judicial context. I doubt anything comparable exists in any other democracy. So one of the ten thousand things that needs to be fixed if history grants a second chance is legislation overhauling the judicial branch, so that this kind of abuse of judicial power is punished (the judge is reprimanded or removed by higher judicial levels or maybe a new separate inspectorate within the judicial branch).
It was too easy to capture and corrupt the judicial branch. The political pushback was flawed, yes, but it shouldn't need extraordinary political action. Guardrails within the judicial branch need to be stronger. Compare the guardrails within the military regarding political capture and corruption. Although we still don't know if those will hold. Here's hoping.
Sorry, meant as a response to Dorothea's comment below, 'this kind of thing' is the two Maga judges dragging 'insufficient deference to the President' into their deliberations, an obvious nonsense unrelated to the matters in dispute to be adjudicated.
Open call for progressive Conservative Court impersonators. If you're convincing enough, we'll pull a Folger's Crystals on 'em. (if you're old, like me, you'll know of what I speak)
So I looked it up and apparently to achieve an actual occupation of a city as populous but spread out as Chicago (I didn't do Portland) it would require something on the order of 100,000 troops. I was just wondering, no reason.
Per my promise I walked down to the ICE building just now to see what was going on. Their HQ is in the South Waterfront, a high-rise residential shopping and eating district- very high end like the Gangnam district in Seoul. There were alot of bumper stickers affixed to the street signs on Moody Street going toward the building. Messages were like "Trump Fucks Kids" and "ICE Gestapo Not Welcome"
There was very little going on at the ICE building. Only one trooper present and maybe twenty protestors. Daytimes are pretty quiet
One camera crew was there but not from a local TV station I talked to him and his assistant. They are freelancers who sell footage to need stations etc.
There was a group of seven or so elderly women sitting in folding chairs all busily knitting. Their handmaid sign said Antifa Knitters. There were no inflated suits in evidence but one woman in a velvet frog suit. One of the Knitters was on a similar suit but that of a penguin.
There were a line of vans parked about a block from the building with California, Colorado, Texas, etc out of state licence tags. All covered with stickers and presumably sleeping quarters for some of the protestors.
There was a pavilion for aid and information for Hispanics, a pavilion for communal food and water supplies and a sign listing exactly what kind of medical help was necessary for various kinds of ICE induced injuries.
Being very friendly I talked at length with most everybody and we were all on the same wavelength- Trump et al were demolishing America and one guy suggested a general strike as a remedy.
It was a very uplifting experience and I deeply admire the people who were out there.
"Immergut’s two restraining orders both “rise or fall together” because they’re based on similar legal reasoning."
I could be wrong since I'm not a lawyer but "similar legal reasoning" does not constitute a "rise or fall together" situation. Stare decisis states that a court can rely on precedents from earlier cases, but says nothing on the suitability in concurrent cases:
> "Stare decisis is the doctrine that courts will adhere to precedent in making their decisions. Stare decisis means “to stand by things decided” in Latin.
When a court faces a legal argument, if a previous court has ruled on the same or a closely related issue, then the court will make their decision in alignment with the previous court’s decision. The previous deciding-court must have binding authority over the court; otherwise, the previous decision is merely persuasive authority. In Kimble v. Marvel Enterprises, the U.S. Supreme Court described the rationale behind stare decisis as “promot[ing] the evenhanded, predictable, and consistent development of legal principles, foster[ing] reliance on judicial decisions, and contribut[ing] to the actual and perceived integrity of the judicial process.”
"An appeal is the only way the administration can attempt to show it will be “injured” if not allowed to deploy Guard troops from one state to another"
Let's see: on one side you have the Fulvous Fuckwad and his turd polishers claiming injury if not allowed to break the law (including more bovine scat that the rioters are jeopardizing national security [sic]), and on the other is the actual physical injuries being inflicted on the residents of the US by the ICEholes and the wanton abuse of our civil and human rights.
"...making the Democratic Party ***or whatever replaces it*** work for its voters instead of conscripting them into an endless series of humiliations and compromises made less in the service of those goals than of the party itself..."
This (in asterisks; mine) and few other thoughts are making me live. I cannot wait to see the day that "whatever" finally replaces it and what "whatever" is (hopefully a much more loud, progressive, and less compromising "whatever").
Literally whatever replaces the Democratic party - which has been failing us every 5 chances out of 10 or more since the Obama admin, and altogether since mid-2024 - is my fuel.
The most insulting thing IMHO is the two trumpites on the 3-judge panel used the excuse that Immergut did not show the president enough "deference" in reviewing the governments claims. Meaning that she didn't put her foot on the trump side of the scale.
"...all of which will hopefully help the military decide, correctly, that orders to shoot us must be refused."
Yeah, I'm not gonna hold out hope for THAT one, given how many people are coming outta the woodwork to defend The Totenkampf Oysterman.
"EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY GETS NAZI TATS, IT'S JUST THEIR CuLtUrE!"
I already didn't trust the military under this regime - I barely did during BIDEN'S AND OBAMA'S ADMINS - so hearing a two day deluge of supposed left wingers mewling that it's okay because it's WAY more widespread than we think... DOES NOT HELP MATTERS.
Didn't trust them either under either Democratic admin. Even less so now. Every illegal order they're following should make distrust jump from the gut to the brain like the biggest red flag possible. They're *showing* us what they'll do by what they're already doing - case closed, enough said.
Indeed the pricktator was elected to attack Democratic cities and the minorities within them, for the benefit and entertainment of the frothing base. They want to see skulls cracked and blood in the streets. Unfortunately for them, the protesters are peaceful and not giving them the casus belli they seek. Yet.
They are going to push and push, and in the end the pricktator also has his "Official immunity gift from Roberts.
Isn't the interesting though that this clearly illegal attack on cities is still being deliberated, yet Joe Biden's student loan relief gets to be quashed very quickly. Interesting, isn't that? It's kinda like Taney Court is the cherry on top of a legal system that is biased towards the unreconstructed!
It's almost as if there were some sort of bias or imbalance in the justice [sic] system that tends to favor the right. But that's impossible! I must be missing something.
I wish that young woman had used the word "institution" because what she's describing is the racism that's built into our institutions.
There's a lot to say about that discussion. Scarborough is full of shit. I'm not much older than him, I grew up in the PNW and I heard FROM MY OWN PARENTS' MOUTHS the kind of racism he claims he never heard in the deep south. Sure.
I have an ex-friend who is a perfect example of the fish in the bowl. I wasn't much better than him although I congratulated myself on how enlightened I was.
It's only recently I've made the effort to study our own history and I continue to be horrified by it. Our institutions don't teach it. Oh, there's that word again.
Hi, can you shine some light on these messages on government websites? I mean, I'm not shocked, but it feels really gross, if you know what I mean? Like either through Wonkette or otherwise? I hate that this is where we're at, tbh.
Stephen Colbert: https://youtu.be/iZYolssub5Y
Can we do some kind of secession already?
Between this and T**** cutting SNAP benefits for Oregon, it is beyond ridiculous that we're propping up these assholes with our tax dollars.
If they want a Civil War, I don't think there's anything we can do to stop them, but I'll be goddamn if I *pay* them to attack and starve us.
That "HOP" sign killed me.
This kind of thing is obviously nonsensical in a judicial context. I doubt anything comparable exists in any other democracy. So one of the ten thousand things that needs to be fixed if history grants a second chance is legislation overhauling the judicial branch, so that this kind of abuse of judicial power is punished (the judge is reprimanded or removed by higher judicial levels or maybe a new separate inspectorate within the judicial branch).
It was too easy to capture and corrupt the judicial branch. The political pushback was flawed, yes, but it shouldn't need extraordinary political action. Guardrails within the judicial branch need to be stronger. Compare the guardrails within the military regarding political capture and corruption. Although we still don't know if those will hold. Here's hoping.
Sorry, meant as a response to Dorothea's comment below, 'this kind of thing' is the two Maga judges dragging 'insufficient deference to the President' into their deliberations, an obvious nonsense unrelated to the matters in dispute to be adjudicated.
Open call for progressive Conservative Court impersonators. If you're convincing enough, we'll pull a Folger's Crystals on 'em. (if you're old, like me, you'll know of what I speak)
So I looked it up and apparently to achieve an actual occupation of a city as populous but spread out as Chicago (I didn't do Portland) it would require something on the order of 100,000 troops. I was just wondering, no reason.
And they'll try it with fewer troops, and it will be a mess, and people will get hurt or worse.
Gee, why am I thinking of Andor yet again...
"And if it burns?"
"It will burn very brightly."
😕
Do you think if there are "only" 90,000 troops there instead, do you believe the people under occupation will suffer any less
😐
???
What the actual hell?
I'm nobody's troll and something tells me you're a little too ensconced in your white fragility
You couldn't even be bothered to answer the question; you just decided to do the Fragile High Dudgeon White Woman Flare-Up
But I guess that's fine, since now everybody reading sees you for what you are
Per my promise I walked down to the ICE building just now to see what was going on. Their HQ is in the South Waterfront, a high-rise residential shopping and eating district- very high end like the Gangnam district in Seoul. There were alot of bumper stickers affixed to the street signs on Moody Street going toward the building. Messages were like "Trump Fucks Kids" and "ICE Gestapo Not Welcome"
There was very little going on at the ICE building. Only one trooper present and maybe twenty protestors. Daytimes are pretty quiet
One camera crew was there but not from a local TV station I talked to him and his assistant. They are freelancers who sell footage to need stations etc.
There was a group of seven or so elderly women sitting in folding chairs all busily knitting. Their handmaid sign said Antifa Knitters. There were no inflated suits in evidence but one woman in a velvet frog suit. One of the Knitters was on a similar suit but that of a penguin.
There were a line of vans parked about a block from the building with California, Colorado, Texas, etc out of state licence tags. All covered with stickers and presumably sleeping quarters for some of the protestors.
There was a pavilion for aid and information for Hispanics, a pavilion for communal food and water supplies and a sign listing exactly what kind of medical help was necessary for various kinds of ICE induced injuries.
Being very friendly I talked at length with most everybody and we were all on the same wavelength- Trump et al were demolishing America and one guy suggested a general strike as a remedy.
It was a very uplifting experience and I deeply admire the people who were out there.
Sir has a weed up his ass and I for one am surprised he can tell.
"Immergut’s two restraining orders both “rise or fall together” because they’re based on similar legal reasoning."
I could be wrong since I'm not a lawyer but "similar legal reasoning" does not constitute a "rise or fall together" situation. Stare decisis states that a court can rely on precedents from earlier cases, but says nothing on the suitability in concurrent cases:
> "Stare decisis is the doctrine that courts will adhere to precedent in making their decisions. Stare decisis means “to stand by things decided” in Latin.
When a court faces a legal argument, if a previous court has ruled on the same or a closely related issue, then the court will make their decision in alignment with the previous court’s decision. The previous deciding-court must have binding authority over the court; otherwise, the previous decision is merely persuasive authority. In Kimble v. Marvel Enterprises, the U.S. Supreme Court described the rationale behind stare decisis as “promot[ing] the evenhanded, predictable, and consistent development of legal principles, foster[ing] reliance on judicial decisions, and contribut[ing] to the actual and perceived integrity of the judicial process.”
The doctrine operates both horizontally and vertically. Horizontal stare decisis refers to a court adhering to its own precedent." https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/stare_decisis
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"An appeal is the only way the administration can attempt to show it will be “injured” if not allowed to deploy Guard troops from one state to another"
Let's see: on one side you have the Fulvous Fuckwad and his turd polishers claiming injury if not allowed to break the law (including more bovine scat that the rioters are jeopardizing national security [sic]), and on the other is the actual physical injuries being inflicted on the residents of the US by the ICEholes and the wanton abuse of our civil and human rights.
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Excellent piece in The Defector about Graham Platner and how Democrats choose and market their candidates. I recommend. https://defector.com/what-job-is-a-guy-with-a-nazi-tattoo-qualified-for
"...making the Democratic Party ***or whatever replaces it*** work for its voters instead of conscripting them into an endless series of humiliations and compromises made less in the service of those goals than of the party itself..."
This (in asterisks; mine) and few other thoughts are making me live. I cannot wait to see the day that "whatever" finally replaces it and what "whatever" is (hopefully a much more loud, progressive, and less compromising "whatever").
Literally whatever replaces the Democratic party - which has been failing us every 5 chances out of 10 or more since the Obama admin, and altogether since mid-2024 - is my fuel.
The most insulting thing IMHO is the two trumpites on the 3-judge panel used the excuse that Immergut did not show the president enough "deference" in reviewing the governments claims. Meaning that she didn't put her foot on the trump side of the scale.
Frog You, Ninth Jerk-it!
Ribbet!
"...all of which will hopefully help the military decide, correctly, that orders to shoot us must be refused."
Yeah, I'm not gonna hold out hope for THAT one, given how many people are coming outta the woodwork to defend The Totenkampf Oysterman.
"EVERYONE IN THE MILITARY GETS NAZI TATS, IT'S JUST THEIR CuLtUrE!"
I already didn't trust the military under this regime - I barely did during BIDEN'S AND OBAMA'S ADMINS - so hearing a two day deluge of supposed left wingers mewling that it's okay because it's WAY more widespread than we think... DOES NOT HELP MATTERS.
Didn't trust them either under either Democratic admin. Even less so now. Every illegal order they're following should make distrust jump from the gut to the brain like the biggest red flag possible. They're *showing* us what they'll do by what they're already doing - case closed, enough said.
Listen to his interview on Pod Save America and judge him by his own words.
So, politically appointed judges, a good idea?
Or let the drooling idiots pick? Sophie's Choice.
Indeed the pricktator was elected to attack Democratic cities and the minorities within them, for the benefit and entertainment of the frothing base. They want to see skulls cracked and blood in the streets. Unfortunately for them, the protesters are peaceful and not giving them the casus belli they seek. Yet.
They are going to push and push, and in the end the pricktator also has his "Official immunity gift from Roberts.
Isn't the interesting though that this clearly illegal attack on cities is still being deliberated, yet Joe Biden's student loan relief gets to be quashed very quickly. Interesting, isn't that? It's kinda like Taney Court is the cherry on top of a legal system that is biased towards the unreconstructed!
"You don't think there's any violence in Portland? Wait until we get there!" -- Texas National Guard: motto "Blood & Soil"
Tell the people whose motto "Blood & Soil" was originally
It's almost as if there were some sort of bias or imbalance in the justice [sic] system that tends to favor the right. But that's impossible! I must be missing something.
Almost
https://youtu.be/WQxuItiOIf4?si=8P6kOZytqAEZf6oV
Almost.
I wish that young woman had used the word "institution" because what she's describing is the racism that's built into our institutions.
There's a lot to say about that discussion. Scarborough is full of shit. I'm not much older than him, I grew up in the PNW and I heard FROM MY OWN PARENTS' MOUTHS the kind of racism he claims he never heard in the deep south. Sure.
I have an ex-friend who is a perfect example of the fish in the bowl. I wasn't much better than him although I congratulated myself on how enlightened I was.
It's only recently I've made the effort to study our own history and I continue to be horrified by it. Our institutions don't teach it. Oh, there's that word again.
I'm rambling. Thanks for sharing.
It's that invisible hand pressing down on the scale of "justice '"