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Crip Dyke's avatar

>> "All conspiracies involve speech, and all fraud involves speech. So, free speech doesn't give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy." <<

Lordy, thank you. I have talked with too many lawyers who simply don't get the confusion non-lawyers have on this point. "We're criminalizing the conduct, in this case a meeting of the minds" and such are ways lawyers talk about this to avoid saying that some speech constitutes a criminal act. We can say all we like that THIS speech is speech and THAT speech is conduct, but that is pro forma. Whether we call it speech or conduct, THIS is legal and THAT is illegal, and the general public sees it ALL as speech.

We have to be able to talk to the average folks, meet them where they are at, and explain to them that the 1A doesn't mean you can say anything without repercussions. That's been important for a while now, with bullshit FREEZE PEACH crusaders on the internet muddying the waters on lots of issues, but it's going to be particularly important over the next 16 months if the general stupidity of NYT journalists is any guide.

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Thesaurus Wrecks's avatar

I am a free speech absolutist. I think trump has every right to overthrow the government if that’s what he believes. But here’s why Toni Morrison books should be banned.

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