DeSantis is stuck in the Trumpian loop of “never apologize, never admit your were wrong.” His problem is that he’s a spastic Bobblehead with the charisma of a wet fart. “Just be a dick about it” doesn’t work for him as a strategy.
And the more he steps on that rake, the more he has to double down and step on it again.
Obviously, the strategy is intended to imply the subject matter is worthy of debate. I have a similar disgust over abortion debates. The issue is that DeSantis has a target audience and they are the type of fools who use this strategy. I’m glad VP Harris explained the absurdity of thinking the value of slavery is a debatable topic. People’s right to bodily autonomy isn’t a good faith debatable topic. Slavery in all its forms is bad. Bad for individuals and bad for society. Bad for humanity. This is common sense, but the rightwing has been trying to reframe the value of basic common sense and basic human empathy as being debatable.
I truly think this guy mispronounces her name to make it sound more foreign, therefore in the eyes of the right, more dangerous. Kamala sounds too much like Pamela. It such a stupid, racist scare tactic.
Well yeah, and it's deliberately racist when little kids do it. It justs tend to get overlooked because "they don't know any better", and "they're just kids being kids, do I really have to deal with this today? Because I just don't feel like meeting with little Karen's asshole parents again this year. Whatever. Jamal will get over it. Kids are resilient."
So, about those polls showing Biden/Trump "tied." It's true they each got 43% in the poll released yesterday: at the same time, 14% are still undecided and the election is over a year away.
Trump will never get less than 40% of the vote, which is sad but reality. At the same time, you can't expect a majority of those 14% to decide "I didn't want Trump before, but those three (four?) indictments have made me a believer!" Even if 2/3 of them ultimately vote Biden, that's 52% Biden. Closer than it should be, of course, but it's slightly more than he got in 2020.
Even if many of those "undecideds" break for West or RFK Jr (or Manchin), the fact they aren't already in the bag for Trump means they are effectively lost to the Republicans so long as he is the presumptive nominee.
Finally, it's only August 2023 -- most people aren't absorbed in this shit like we are. Check the polls again next Spring.
If the pollsters went back to the same people who chose Trump and asked them to name his top competitors, about half could not. Those who could name DeSantis would be stumped if asked what DeSantis's current job is. A poll more than a year before the election is nothing but a name-recognition test.
"Harris also understands that refusing to even say DeSantis’s name is more potent than mispronouncing it, as he churlishly does with “Kamala.” (It’s also a good rule to never debate someone whose name you can’t even pronounce correctly.)"
To be fair, he can't even consistently pronounce his own name.
As previously stated, the Vice President of the United States of America does not enter into debates with governors, and she is addressed as Madame Vice President, not Kamala.
At least they have not stooped to calling her a man like they did with Michelle Obama. Although in a fight between Michelle and Tucker Carlson, my money is on Michelle in a first round knock out. Just like Josh Hawley, men who are obsessed with their masculinity are insecure and weak.
It really makes me want to cry for this country that Biden and Trump are TIED for the 2024 election. An actual fucking criminal is running against someone who's bringing tons of new green energy jobs, and $35 insulin, and half the country is going to vote for the criminal.
"Yet the political channels have distinctly failed to impose accountability for Trump’s wanton criminality. Today, he is roughly tied in national polls at the moment, which suggests (given his advantage in the Electoral College in each of the last two races) that he might be a slight favorite to win the 2024 election. That is obviously not a reason to charge him, but it does show the futility of leaving judgments about criminal behavior to the general public in a polarized environment.
The most logical process for punishing Trump for his coup attempt was impeachment, and Senate Republicans briefly entertained convicting Trump in the wake of the January 6 riot. But they first decided a trial needed to be slow in order to be legitimate, and then they decided they couldn’t impeach Trump after he had left office. Then they said the criminal justice system could handle it. “President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office…” Mitch McConnell said. “We have a criminal justice system in this country.”"
It bothers me that people get worried about this kind of poll a year and a half before the election. Do we really have no grasp of how the electorate works? No memory of how the last 10 or 15 presidential elections have worked?
No one except core political junkies is paying even the tiniest bit of attention to the election or the candidates right now. Most Americans hate the whole process and try not to think of it until after the conventions have nominated their candidates. They don't even vote in their own state primaries.
The main thing I like about this kind of silly poll is that it doesn't hurt for us to be worried - purely because complacency in Clinton's campaign played a role in her loss. But JFC, handwringing because likely voters in the US tend to be fairly evenly split, generally speaking, is surely unnecessary? That's all this is: Republicans tend to vote for the GOP candidate; Dems vote for the Dem. How shocking.
That's my Vice President!
Wait more misogyny and racism from DesSaster. Hard to believe (insert eyeroll here).
DeSantis is stuck in the Trumpian loop of “never apologize, never admit your were wrong.” His problem is that he’s a spastic Bobblehead with the charisma of a wet fart. “Just be a dick about it” doesn’t work for him as a strategy.
And the more he steps on that rake, the more he has to double down and step on it again.
Golden hed, SER - I chortled.
"she deftly relegated DeSantis to the loathsome ranks of Holocaust deniers"
Not a denier.
Just claiming that Jews doing forced labor learned valuable skills...
Hey SER, https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-slavery-guidlines/ he's still doing it.
Jebus- later in another article he said if he wins he's ready to start "slitting throats on Day One".
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Only his own throat, though.
He really looks like he's about to say nyuk nyuk nyuk and poke Candace in the eyes
even Harris Faulkner tried to look surprised to limited avail.
“DEBATE MEEEEEE!”
Obviously, the strategy is intended to imply the subject matter is worthy of debate. I have a similar disgust over abortion debates. The issue is that DeSantis has a target audience and they are the type of fools who use this strategy. I’m glad VP Harris explained the absurdity of thinking the value of slavery is a debatable topic. People’s right to bodily autonomy isn’t a good faith debatable topic. Slavery in all its forms is bad. Bad for individuals and bad for society. Bad for humanity. This is common sense, but the rightwing has been trying to reframe the value of basic common sense and basic human empathy as being debatable.
"Now Harris is shoveling dirt over the remains of DeSantis’s presidential aspirations. That should open some wallets."
MVP Harris is Boss Queen!
Debating him would only suggest his odious positions are worthy of debate. Meatball Ron isn't worth anyone's time.
I really like this. Ruby Bridges is one year younger than me.
https://substack.com/profile/113578351-mal-speranza/note/c-21753195?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1vmdm7
I love her!
I truly think this guy mispronounces her name to make it sound more foreign, therefore in the eyes of the right, more dangerous. Kamala sounds too much like Pamela. It such a stupid, racist scare tactic.
I love her so much!
Wait until next year when they start darkening her skin in commercials.
The mispronouncing thing is a common dog whistle to signal disrespect. Trump does it constantly too.
Goes back to Bush's SADDam
It's so Mean White Girls: Elementary School Edition.
Well yeah, and it's deliberately racist when little kids do it. It justs tend to get overlooked because "they don't know any better", and "they're just kids being kids, do I really have to deal with this today? Because I just don't feel like meeting with little Karen's asshole parents again this year. Whatever. Jamal will get over it. Kids are resilient."
I still can't believe Fox thinks THIS is the important news of the moment:
https://substack.com/profile/157505988-insert-witty-username/note/c-21750423?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=2lrwec
So, about those polls showing Biden/Trump "tied." It's true they each got 43% in the poll released yesterday: at the same time, 14% are still undecided and the election is over a year away.
Trump will never get less than 40% of the vote, which is sad but reality. At the same time, you can't expect a majority of those 14% to decide "I didn't want Trump before, but those three (four?) indictments have made me a believer!" Even if 2/3 of them ultimately vote Biden, that's 52% Biden. Closer than it should be, of course, but it's slightly more than he got in 2020.
Even if many of those "undecideds" break for West or RFK Jr (or Manchin), the fact they aren't already in the bag for Trump means they are effectively lost to the Republicans so long as he is the presumptive nominee.
Finally, it's only August 2023 -- most people aren't absorbed in this shit like we are. Check the polls again next Spring.
also, we're in absolutely meaningless poll days. i hate that they even get covered in summer of the year before the election.
If the pollsters went back to the same people who chose Trump and asked them to name his top competitors, about half could not. Those who could name DeSantis would be stumped if asked what DeSantis's current job is. A poll more than a year before the election is nothing but a name-recognition test.
"Harris also understands that refusing to even say DeSantis’s name is more potent than mispronouncing it, as he churlishly does with “Kamala.” (It’s also a good rule to never debate someone whose name you can’t even pronounce correctly.)"
To be fair, he can't even consistently pronounce his own name.
If a debate were to somehow happen, the first thing out of his mouth would be, "Do you like thigh food?"
You say DEE Santis. I say DUH Santis. Let’s call the whole thing off.
^^^^^^^^^ This guy is not wrong....
As previously stated, the Vice President of the United States of America does not enter into debates with governors, and she is addressed as Madame Vice President, not Kamala.
She'll turn it into a positive, as Obama did with Obamacare.
At least they have not stooped to calling her a man like they did with Michelle Obama. Although in a fight between Michelle and Tucker Carlson, my money is on Michelle in a first round knock out. Just like Josh Hawley, men who are obsessed with their masculinity are insecure and weak.
"At least they have not stooped to calling her a man like the did with Michelle Obama"
Did and STILL do.
It really makes me want to cry for this country that Biden and Trump are TIED for the 2024 election. An actual fucking criminal is running against someone who's bringing tons of new green energy jobs, and $35 insulin, and half the country is going to vote for the criminal.
"Yet the political channels have distinctly failed to impose accountability for Trump’s wanton criminality. Today, he is roughly tied in national polls at the moment, which suggests (given his advantage in the Electoral College in each of the last two races) that he might be a slight favorite to win the 2024 election. That is obviously not a reason to charge him, but it does show the futility of leaving judgments about criminal behavior to the general public in a polarized environment.
The most logical process for punishing Trump for his coup attempt was impeachment, and Senate Republicans briefly entertained convicting Trump in the wake of the January 6 riot. But they first decided a trial needed to be slow in order to be legitimate, and then they decided they couldn’t impeach Trump after he had left office. Then they said the criminal justice system could handle it. “President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office…” Mitch McConnell said. “We have a criminal justice system in this country.”"
~Jon Chait
It bothers me that people get worried about this kind of poll a year and a half before the election. Do we really have no grasp of how the electorate works? No memory of how the last 10 or 15 presidential elections have worked?
No one except core political junkies is paying even the tiniest bit of attention to the election or the candidates right now. Most Americans hate the whole process and try not to think of it until after the conventions have nominated their candidates. They don't even vote in their own state primaries.
The main thing I like about this kind of silly poll is that it doesn't hurt for us to be worried - purely because complacency in Clinton's campaign played a role in her loss. But JFC, handwringing because likely voters in the US tend to be fairly evenly split, generally speaking, is surely unnecessary? That's all this is: Republicans tend to vote for the GOP candidate; Dems vote for the Dem. How shocking.