I remember as a kindergartner we took a trip to a farm and they squirted direct-from-the-udder milk at us (I know this sounds like "and one of the babies winked at me" but I swear it happened!) It was a different time. I don't think any of us got sick but it also did not awaken any raw milk craving in me.
(honestly I really don't like milk, and my aversion is made worse by the very pasteurized but definitely non-homogenized milk my husband buys.)
I also hear you can heat it to a lower temperature, for example something like 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds and then you can cool it, and it will stay fresh for three weeks if kept refrigerated! Some French guy called Louis Pasteur invented that technique, smart guy!
Ta, Robyn. I'm a day late so no one will see this, but the pied-à-nuage is situated near MANY dairy farms. There's a sign we drive past all the time that dates the first milk pasteurization Up There. I'll never understand why anyone would take health advice from Bobby Brainworm. Never.
Milk is not an economical source of vitamin D. vitamin D is added into milk and it’s truly a low cost addition that people often think is naturally ubiquitous and plentiful in pasteurized milk that makes it worth the cost. I’ve learned that the harm caused by the dairy industry far outweighs the benefits. It will likely take more time than most people csn give to do their own cost/benefit analysis, which would include not just people with ill health, including rickets, but the benefits and harms impacting the whole planet we share.
"vitamin D is added into milk and it’s truly a low cost addition that people often think is naturally ubiquitous and plentiful in pasteurized milk that makes it worth the cost. "
Please rewrite that into a coherent and clear sentence or two, I cannot tell which parts are statements about reality and which parts are statements about what people think.
Also, ubiquitous and plentiful are redundant in this context, and what makes ubiquity natural?
Yeah, it actually is, because milk is a fuck of a lot cheaper than salmon any day of the week, and sardines make my cereal taste like ass when they're poured onto it. That's because the small amount of Vitamin D that's there naturally not only isn't affected by pasteurization as it's fat-soluble, but in this country it's been supplemented solely to *prevent* rickets since the 1930's by increasing absorption of Vitamin D, calcium and phosphorous. All of which you knew fuck-all about until you read it in my earlier comment.
Since a lot of soy, rice and almond milk alternatives are also fortified with Vitamin D, maybe you might want to ponder as to why that is.
Pretty brave of you to come right out and say that children's improved bone health isn't a benefit worth having, but since you still haven't figured out what "ubiquitous" means, it's not exactly a surprise. The dairy industry adds Vitamin D voluntary, no one's forcing them. In Canada and Sweden, it's mandated by the government - try to figure out how much Vitamin D people get in their countries from sunlight during the winter months and maybe you'll get it.
FYI, if people know it's a "low cost addition," then they don't also think it's "naturally ubiquitous" (srsly?) yet somehow "makes it worth the cost" as these are two contradictory viewpoints.
Gosh you jump to a lot of conclusions, and all over the place so it's hard to follow you. I am no way, no how able to continue this conversation with you. You are disrespectful to another human being here and I hope you decide to stop being disrespectful and be a basic, descent human being in your future interactions. You'll feel better, and I wish that for you.
Just think of the effort you could have saved by writing: "I'm looking for an ass-saving excuse to get out of the numerous holes I've dug for myself and Taking Umbrage 101 is the best I got."
You don't like being contradicted, full stop, and what you "wish" for me is to stop pointing to those inconsistencies, failures and flat-out lies, so let's not pretend you give an unctuous damn about my future well-being because we both know better. Sorry not sorry, but if you think that pointing out that 1) your first sentence is not true unless it refers to raw milk, 2) you've not only failed to grasp that specific terms have specific meanings, but 3) you've tried unsuccessfully to redefine those words several times, and 4) you also managed to embrace two contradictory stances in a single sentence, is somehow "disrespectful" to you as a "human being" rather than a statement of documented facts, then your life is gonna be one long round of constant perceived insults.
Which is too bad for you, because if you continue to misrepresent scientific studies, make false claims, and generally massacre broader points of anthropology and science because you couldn't be arsed to verify your extremely skewed notions, people like me will keep telling you exactly how and why you got it wrong.
Really, now - are you actually flattering yourself to that extent?
Since you were the one who was all over this board bleating about Big Dairy and making a lot of inaccurate claims to bolster that opinion, you're scarcely in a position to comment on odd behavior. If you find it "odd" that someone would bother to tell you exactly why your statements aren't true, then you lead a very sheltered life.
Especially as you failed to stick the flounce - if you're gonna claim you can't possibly consider continuing any sort of communication due to the abject disrespect you suffered as a human being, you don't get a return performance. Tsk.
"Specifically, they think it will keep them from developing allergies and asthma and will just generally boost their immune system — and there are some small scale studies from Europe that suggest there could be some benefit."
The Florida Department of Health issued a warning about risk of ecoli from raw milk? Coming soon: Trump demands that DeSantis fire the head of Florida’s Department of Health.
I did that just once when I was in Mexico. My stomach swelled up like I was eight months pregnant and only some serious vomiting solved the problem. No thanks. Never again.
Survival of the smartest.
I remember as a kindergartner we took a trip to a farm and they squirted direct-from-the-udder milk at us (I know this sounds like "and one of the babies winked at me" but I swear it happened!) It was a different time. I don't think any of us got sick but it also did not awaken any raw milk craving in me.
(honestly I really don't like milk, and my aversion is made worse by the very pasteurized but definitely non-homogenized milk my husband buys.)
😂duh 😳
From beyond the grave, Louis Pasteur said, “Je vous l’avais dit.”
I’ve heard that raw milk is perfectly safe to drink if you boil it first. 😂
I too have heard this. We must spread the news.
I also hear you can heat it to a lower temperature, for example something like 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds and then you can cool it, and it will stay fresh for three weeks if kept refrigerated! Some French guy called Louis Pasteur invented that technique, smart guy!
Wow! Indeed we must let the world know! 😂
I agree to disagree.
wishing you well.
I don't want to hear anything about food from a bunch of assholes that decided ketchup was a vegetable in school lunches.
Ta, Robyn. I'm a day late so no one will see this, but the pied-à-nuage is situated near MANY dairy farms. There's a sign we drive past all the time that dates the first milk pasteurization Up There. I'll never understand why anyone would take health advice from Bobby Brainworm. Never.
Milk is not an economical source of vitamin D. vitamin D is added into milk and it’s truly a low cost addition that people often think is naturally ubiquitous and plentiful in pasteurized milk that makes it worth the cost. I’ve learned that the harm caused by the dairy industry far outweighs the benefits. It will likely take more time than most people csn give to do their own cost/benefit analysis, which would include not just people with ill health, including rickets, but the benefits and harms impacting the whole planet we share.
"vitamin D is added into milk and it’s truly a low cost addition that people often think is naturally ubiquitous and plentiful in pasteurized milk that makes it worth the cost. "
Please rewrite that into a coherent and clear sentence or two, I cannot tell which parts are statements about reality and which parts are statements about what people think.
Also, ubiquitous and plentiful are redundant in this context, and what makes ubiquity natural?
Yeah, it actually is, because milk is a fuck of a lot cheaper than salmon any day of the week, and sardines make my cereal taste like ass when they're poured onto it. That's because the small amount of Vitamin D that's there naturally not only isn't affected by pasteurization as it's fat-soluble, but in this country it's been supplemented solely to *prevent* rickets since the 1930's by increasing absorption of Vitamin D, calcium and phosphorous. All of which you knew fuck-all about until you read it in my earlier comment.
Since a lot of soy, rice and almond milk alternatives are also fortified with Vitamin D, maybe you might want to ponder as to why that is.
Pretty brave of you to come right out and say that children's improved bone health isn't a benefit worth having, but since you still haven't figured out what "ubiquitous" means, it's not exactly a surprise. The dairy industry adds Vitamin D voluntary, no one's forcing them. In Canada and Sweden, it's mandated by the government - try to figure out how much Vitamin D people get in their countries from sunlight during the winter months and maybe you'll get it.
FYI, if people know it's a "low cost addition," then they don't also think it's "naturally ubiquitous" (srsly?) yet somehow "makes it worth the cost" as these are two contradictory viewpoints.
Gosh you jump to a lot of conclusions, and all over the place so it's hard to follow you. I am no way, no how able to continue this conversation with you. You are disrespectful to another human being here and I hope you decide to stop being disrespectful and be a basic, descent human being in your future interactions. You'll feel better, and I wish that for you.
Just think of the effort you could have saved by writing: "I'm looking for an ass-saving excuse to get out of the numerous holes I've dug for myself and Taking Umbrage 101 is the best I got."
You don't like being contradicted, full stop, and what you "wish" for me is to stop pointing to those inconsistencies, failures and flat-out lies, so let's not pretend you give an unctuous damn about my future well-being because we both know better. Sorry not sorry, but if you think that pointing out that 1) your first sentence is not true unless it refers to raw milk, 2) you've not only failed to grasp that specific terms have specific meanings, but 3) you've tried unsuccessfully to redefine those words several times, and 4) you also managed to embrace two contradictory stances in a single sentence, is somehow "disrespectful" to you as a "human being" rather than a statement of documented facts, then your life is gonna be one long round of constant perceived insults.
Which is too bad for you, because if you continue to misrepresent scientific studies, make false claims, and generally massacre broader points of anthropology and science because you couldn't be arsed to verify your extremely skewed notions, people like me will keep telling you exactly how and why you got it wrong.
Do you perceive this interaction has some meaning beyond a random conversation with a stranger? You're behavior is odd, that's why I ask.
Really, now - are you actually flattering yourself to that extent?
Since you were the one who was all over this board bleating about Big Dairy and making a lot of inaccurate claims to bolster that opinion, you're scarcely in a position to comment on odd behavior. If you find it "odd" that someone would bother to tell you exactly why your statements aren't true, then you lead a very sheltered life.
Especially as you failed to stick the flounce - if you're gonna claim you can't possibly consider continuing any sort of communication due to the abject disrespect you suffered as a human being, you don't get a return performance. Tsk.
And it's "your."
Lol. You're right about your. Haven't you learned to just let things go? I sure have. Good bye.
"Specifically, they think it will keep them from developing allergies and asthma and will just generally boost their immune system — and there are some small scale studies from Europe that suggest there could be some benefit."
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Campylobactor and e. Colin!!
The Florida Department of Health issued a warning about risk of ecoli from raw milk? Coming soon: Trump demands that DeSantis fire the head of Florida’s Department of Health.
I really cannot overemphasize how many people are getting sick from dumb shit they heard from either the internet or idiot politicians.
I did that just once when I was in Mexico. My stomach swelled up like I was eight months pregnant and only some serious vomiting solved the problem. No thanks. Never again.
I don't care what the pointy headed folks say, I want my milk flavored with flecks of cow poo.
I guess this means that Odwalla is going to make a real comeback: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Odwalla_E._coli_outbreak