As we've mentioned once or twenty times, the Pentagon has a bit of a problem with rape. Just how bad a problem with rape? Hard to say -- a 2013 Defense Department report estimated that about 26,000 members of the military were raped in 2012. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand has been trying to find out more about how the Pentagon deals with sexual assaults, so last year she asked the DoD for files on sexual assault at each of the four major services' largest bases from 2009 to 2013. After dragging its feet forever, the Pentagon finally gave her 107 case files -- from one year only, 2013. And even that limited information turned up a far greater problem with sexual assault in the military than the Pentagon has been willing to acknowledge, according to
No problem and you are right, everyone's experience is different including my own. Keep in mind that I was not an investigator, but I was in position to hear initial complaints unless the complaint went straight to the MP's or CID.
The far bigger issue, from my experience, was sexual harassment and the treatment of women as 2nd class personnel, particularly when I first joined. (early '70's) By the time I left twenty years later it was better, but there was still plenty of room for improvement.
No basically because, stop pretending the military is rape factory. The incidence of assault in the military is lower than in the civilian sector. The rate of reporting is higher, the rate of prosecution is higher, the rate of conviction is higher. The military expends enormous resources to educate people and provide services for victims. The Military keeps detailed statistics on all assaults and they are available to the public, though detailed confidential reports of assaults are not. And by the way, the record of discharged from the military is a public document just like a record of a conviction. Employers, universities, financial institutions, and anyone else who wants it, can get regardless of if you put it on an application or not.
Just one more reason – among so, so many – it's dangerous to have a populous that rabidly defends the idea that you can never question the actions of "the troops," ever.
For that to happen, there had to be a failure at many levels. First, just the other occupants of the barracks - who wants to listen to some asswipe pound on a door all night and yell into the occupants regardless of the reason? Then there would be the duty NCO, the duty SNCO, the Officer of the Day, and the MP's. (For those that were never in the military, think of it as a college dorm - other dorm residents, the RA, the campus security, etc.)
Though I wasn't in the Air Force my experience was that the males couldn't even loiter around the women's barrack (if it was separate. If co-ed, one couldn't loiter around their rooms.)
Women were harassed in plenty of other ways, though.
It is a balancing act. I recall a Sgt in Motor Transport that was complaining about a female driver once that was up for promotion - so I asked what the big deal was. His point was that yes, she could drive and was timely, good with directions, yadda, yadda. But she couldn't change a tire. Not 'oh, my I have a flat and I don't wanna break a nail call AAA!' but she physically did not have the strength to change it. So whenever she did have a flat, a male had to be dispatched to change the tire - two people now for one job. Granted, her vehicle didn't have a flat every day, but still, she was up for promotion and was paid at the same rate that the males, the ones that changed her flats for her, were paid.
so you completely missed the parts about civilians getting raped also? Try this out....
I hate to be sexist, but maybe putting girls rapists in the barracks with a bunch of horny soldiers wasn't a good idea. The only way to police it would be corporal punishment, which would also be bad for morale. Why are we so desperate that we feel compelled to send women rapists into combat anyway? There are no wars lately, except the ones we start ourselves.
I lurked in R&S, mostly, in which there was a troll who repeatedly posted the same Bible verses about women leading congregations, clearly without expecting an answer. I posted the same answer to two of his "questions" and he reported me for "repeated posting."
The place was a cesspit...but everyone in it looked down on the people who posted in Yahoo Comments.
I agree. Any time one of these so called "women" come within 10-feet of me (5-feet when I'm really really horny), I rape them because -- duh -- I'm horny. Hell-oooooo! Dumb women.
Gillibrand is my senator, and I'm happy to keep sending her back to keep fighting this fight. It almost makes up for having that corporate boot licker schumer as there other one.
Well, if they didn't want piss on their door, they should have opened the door. And gotten raped. Which is why they shouldn't open the door. Unless they don't want piss all over the door.
Its like my grandmother used to say, "Sometimes your door gets pissed on, and sometimes you get raped. That's life, I guess."
No problem and you are right, everyone's experience is different including my own. Keep in mind that I was not an investigator, but I was in position to hear initial complaints unless the complaint went straight to the MP's or CID.
The far bigger issue, from my experience, was sexual harassment and the treatment of women as 2nd class personnel, particularly when I first joined. (early '70's) By the time I left twenty years later it was better, but there was still plenty of room for improvement.
We are not so desperate and compelled. They really wanna go to be treated like real soldiers. No lie
No basically because, stop pretending the military is rape factory. The incidence of assault in the military is lower than in the civilian sector. The rate of reporting is higher, the rate of prosecution is higher, the rate of conviction is higher. The military expends enormous resources to educate people and provide services for victims. The Military keeps detailed statistics on all assaults and they are available to the public, though detailed confidential reports of assaults are not. And by the way, the record of discharged from the military is a public document just like a record of a conviction. Employers, universities, financial institutions, and anyone else who wants it, can get regardless of if you put it on an application or not.
If you hate to be sexist, then why are you sexist? You know you can stop that, yes?
Just one more reason – among so, so many – it's dangerous to have a populous that rabidly defends the idea that you can never question the actions of "the troops," ever.
For that to happen, there had to be a failure at many levels. First, just the other occupants of the barracks - who wants to listen to some asswipe pound on a door all night and yell into the occupants regardless of the reason? Then there would be the duty NCO, the duty SNCO, the Officer of the Day, and the MP's. (For those that were never in the military, think of it as a college dorm - other dorm residents, the RA, the campus security, etc.)
Though I wasn't in the Air Force my experience was that the males couldn't even loiter around the women's barrack (if it was separate. If co-ed, one couldn't loiter around their rooms.)
Women were harassed in plenty of other ways, though.
It is a balancing act. I recall a Sgt in Motor Transport that was complaining about a female driver once that was up for promotion - so I asked what the big deal was. His point was that yes, she could drive and was timely, good with directions, yadda, yadda. But she couldn't change a tire. Not 'oh, my I have a flat and I don't wanna break a nail call AAA!' but she physically did not have the strength to change it. So whenever she did have a flat, a male had to be dispatched to change the tire - two people now for one job. Granted, her vehicle didn't have a flat every day, but still, she was up for promotion and was paid at the same rate that the males, the ones that changed her flats for her, were paid.
Except the gay ones, of course. They don't count as 'real soldiers'.
so you completely missed the parts about civilians getting raped also? Try this out....
I hate to be sexist, but maybe putting girls rapists in the barracks with a bunch of horny soldiers wasn't a good idea. The only way to police it would be corporal punishment, which would also be bad for morale. Why are we so desperate that we feel compelled to send women rapists into combat anyway? There are no wars lately, except the ones we start ourselves.
But "Rape Culture" is just a liberal talking-point to drum up the non-existant "War on Women".
<rolleyes>
I lurked in R&S, mostly, in which there was a troll who repeatedly posted the same Bible verses about women leading congregations, clearly without expecting an answer. I posted the same answer to two of his "questions" and he reported me for "repeated posting."
The place was a cesspit...but everyone in it looked down on the people who posted in Yahoo Comments.
I agree. Any time one of these so called "women" come within 10-feet of me (5-feet when I'm really really horny), I rape them because -- duh -- I'm horny. Hell-oooooo! Dumb women.
Gillibrand is my senator, and I'm happy to keep sending her back to keep fighting this fight. It almost makes up for having that corporate boot licker schumer as there other one.
As I noted above, she almost balances out Schumer.
Well, if they didn't want piss on their door, they should have opened the door. And gotten raped. Which is why they shouldn't open the door. Unless they don't want piss all over the door.
Its like my grandmother used to say, "Sometimes your door gets pissed on, and sometimes you get raped. That's life, I guess."
It usually left me rooting for the roaches.