I notice all the court decisions are referring to pregnant people, not pregnant women. Good. The *only* gleam of light in this bullshit, is how inclusive language puts forced birthers in a cleft stick.
If they say pregnant PEOPLE, it's a tacit admission of the validity and existence of pregnancy in people who *aren't* women. Which they hate. But if their bullshit only mentions pregnant WOMEN, that means abortion's perfectly fine for trans men, enbies, and intersex people.
Fuck all these ghouls. May they experience all the suffering they're happy to inflict on others.
God, I hate it when women want to willfully punish other women over reproductive freedom. If you have a uterus and choose to get pregnant, great That doesn't give you any kind of right to tell other women they ought to do the same or support laws that judge and punish them for thinking and acting according to their medical needs and beliefs. FUCK THIS SHIT.
ditto women who choose not to have children should not be allowed to dictate the choices of others - FFS get your nose out of other peoples lives and choices and personal decisions! focus on being a moral and kind person yourself, no one has a mandate to force their morality on others
I think it's absurd when anyone wants to willfully punish women over their reproductive freedom, but I agree, it seems like there's a cognitive dissonance when it's other women. Unless it's some bullshit religious thing, then all reason and logic and (for the Christofascists) empathy and compassion fly out the proverbial window.
People often pressure others to make the same decisions that they themselves are unhappy they made. It's very painful to think that you ruined your own life with decisions that weren't right for you. If other people make those same choices it validates you (all these people agree with me this is a great thing to do!) and it stops those same people judging you.
It's a defence mechanism. Of course, the *healthy* response would be to work on improving your own life and situation; but lots of people aren't there yet.
Even if they did get a living baby born, after that they don't give a damn about it, it's been shown over and over that this is the case.
They are interested in getting fetuses out, even the ones that won't survive or are already dead before being born, simply because it fits their culture war agenda. And yes, hating women and punishing them is very much a part of that agenda.
The USA is 27 th in the world for infant and maternal mortality--one would think the "pro-life" people would have this as an area of concern but their attitude is "we love fetuses but after birth, you are on your own" Their indifference to the fate of mothers and their babies is proof of their massive hypocrisy
I was just informed in a newsletter from Yellowhammer, that Alabama now has the highest maternal mortality rate in the country. I assume TX is going to try to beat that.
I'll keep saying it until it's no longer true, or I'm no longer alive.
Pretend To Be Pro Life People know that: Women (and girls) who have sex (willingly or forced) MUST be punished by pregnancy carried to delivery or death (doesn't matter which) regardless of health, circumstance, or age (old enough to bleed, old enough to breed). What happens to the infant after it exits the womb is unimportant. One we are born, we are Fair Game.
If doctors all over your state are afraid to perform a procedure that, in their judgment, is necessary, because they’re afraid of losing their license/going to jail, maybe you have a shitty law and school consider rewriting it.
Unless of course, you consider sending doctors to prison for saving their patients’ lives a feature, not a bug.
If they were serious they'd be offering an alternative set of rules for docs to follow. They prefer the chaos in which docs feel they have to take the most restrictive approach to protect their careers. And if they put the horrific restrictions they want on paper it would expose the cruelty that they are promoting.
Robyn and I have disagreed over the use of "pregnant people" . I see it as a detriment to reaching out to voters because it allows the Right to render our terror and anger risible ("They think that men get pregnant! HA-HA!") and denies the misogyny that is at the core of these laws.
Here, though, I think that while misogyny runs through these laws like a fetid river, Texas' goal in its current response is not that the whores should be punished but that abortion should be separated from medical care.
The upcoming amendment in Ohio addreses language brilliantly because it uses "pregnant patient" - cis, trans, and non-binary distinctions fall away versus doctors and nurses being able to care for someone who is suffering.
Under Roe, there was always a recognition that pregnancy is unique because there are two patients. That is why it permitted restriction of abortion after viability. Forced birth laws, however, negate the patient who is carrying the other.
A patient who is septic from a leaking abscess or who is bleeding because of a tumor would never be told to go home and wait to sicken further to earn treatment, but when that patient is septic or bleeding due to a pregnancy that is what happens.
That is what this ruling is about - bringing abortion care back under medical care.
In the clickbait social media universe creatures like Tate or Davis matter disproportionately, but most people have never heard of them. Their malice is an opportunistic glom-on rather than a driver, and it is frankly never going to be a winning argument that Texas wants to kill pregnant patients because they had sex.
This ruling, however, throws down the gauntlet on medical care qua medical care.
That is why , even though the Court used the legal term "person", the CRR said "The court has been clear: doctors must be able to provide patients the standard of care in pregnancy complications. That standard of care in certain cases is abortion because it is essential, life-saving healthcare."
Calling the victims of these laws what they are - patients - is what we really need to start doing.
Excellent points, thank you. I would also point that the judges ruling against the laws restricting medical treatment for transgender children targeted only transgender children while allowing those same treatments when gender dysphoria was not a prevailing issue. Essentially making it a requirement to compare “patients” to “patients”.
Exactly - it is an equal protection matter since a cis boy with gynecomastia or a cis girl with a virilizing condition can get a hormone blocker but a trans kid cannot.
That does not mean that a kid who says that they are trans should automatically get medication. Best practice would still require the doctor to evaluate whether the care is safe and warranted for them individually. However, they would be on the same equal footing as being a patient.
For the life of me I cannot fathom why any self respecting woman would go around wearing a shirt or otherwise espousing the opinion that women shouldn’t vote. Actually I can’t fathom why a man would do that either.
Because she gets monetized clicks and attention, including lots from outraged liberals who give her a far larger footprint than she would have if only followed by the edgelords in their moms' basements.
It's a (deeply cynical) living that we frankly help with.
Courts rule that "deeply held" religious beliefs can allow a pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription for birth control pills for reasons not at all related to preventing pregnancy,or medication to protect a woman's health during a miscarriage. They need present no evidence that their belief is actually deeply held, just saying it is is enough. But a medical professional after consulting with a woman and getting complete medical evidence deciding a fetus has no chance of living more than a few hours after delivery or that that pregnancy endangers a woman's health or life has to worry about some religious zealot who happens to be a district attorney, with no medical training, can not just question that decision, they can try to take their medical license away and put them in prison. And establish a citizen Gestapo to pry into a woman's most private medical decisions then turn them in to the state for a bounty.
Yet if I found out a Republican politician had a prescription for Viagra and publicized it the GOP would have a fit and want me arrested for violating HIPAA. Which is not actually illegal since private citizens are not typically a covered entity under HIPAA unless acting on behalf of a medical provider or business associated with health care or health insurance. So if I found a prescription bottle for Viagra with Chuck Grassley's name on it in the parking lot I could put it on Twitter. At least until Mr. First Amendment Elon blocked it.
you know, because of that 'hypocrite' thing...HOWEVER I would have NO problem with ALL republican women sitting out the vote in perpetuity...I gots no problem with that...
Phyllis Schlafly made a career out of traveling the country, telling women that they should stay home and not have a career. So that level of hypocrisy on the Right has always been around.
My son wanted me to watch the series about her, and after the first 2/3 of the first episode, I couldn't watch any more. I was physically ill. I told him the actors were fantastic, and Cate Blanchett got her nasty little smirk down pat, but I could watch. Living through the hell that bitch caused, once, was enough for me. I didn't want to do it again.
That always really pissed me off. Phyllis Schlafly hated being shoehorned into the role of SAHM. She was a smart, talented woman who wanted more for herself, but couldn't break out of the mindset she was raised with that a woman's only value is as a wife and mother. So she found a way to make it work for her, ruining the lives of millions of women for generations ever after with this fucking Traditional Family Values bullshit.
Hey, any irresponsible slut could find some quack to say her fetus has irreversible, fatal abnormalities! You keep allowing so-called "compassionate" exceptions like saving a woman's life, and before you know it, the abortion law is a dead letter!
Anyway, what are those women whining about? In Texas, schoolchildren take their lives in their hands just by going to school every day. And these crybabies don't even want to risk dying after they have sex!
I notice all the court decisions are referring to pregnant people, not pregnant women. Good. The *only* gleam of light in this bullshit, is how inclusive language puts forced birthers in a cleft stick.
If they say pregnant PEOPLE, it's a tacit admission of the validity and existence of pregnancy in people who *aren't* women. Which they hate. But if their bullshit only mentions pregnant WOMEN, that means abortion's perfectly fine for trans men, enbies, and intersex people.
Fuck all these ghouls. May they experience all the suffering they're happy to inflict on others.
God, I hate it when women want to willfully punish other women over reproductive freedom. If you have a uterus and choose to get pregnant, great That doesn't give you any kind of right to tell other women they ought to do the same or support laws that judge and punish them for thinking and acting according to their medical needs and beliefs. FUCK THIS SHIT.
ditto women who choose not to have children should not be allowed to dictate the choices of others - FFS get your nose out of other peoples lives and choices and personal decisions! focus on being a moral and kind person yourself, no one has a mandate to force their morality on others
I think it's absurd when anyone wants to willfully punish women over their reproductive freedom, but I agree, it seems like there's a cognitive dissonance when it's other women. Unless it's some bullshit religious thing, then all reason and logic and (for the Christofascists) empathy and compassion fly out the proverbial window.
People often pressure others to make the same decisions that they themselves are unhappy they made. It's very painful to think that you ruined your own life with decisions that weren't right for you. If other people make those same choices it validates you (all these people agree with me this is a great thing to do!) and it stops those same people judging you.
It's a defence mechanism. Of course, the *healthy* response would be to work on improving your own life and situation; but lots of people aren't there yet.
Well no shit.
Even if they did get a living baby born, after that they don't give a damn about it, it's been shown over and over that this is the case.
They are interested in getting fetuses out, even the ones that won't survive or are already dead before being born, simply because it fits their culture war agenda. And yes, hating women and punishing them is very much a part of that agenda.
The USA is 27 th in the world for infant and maternal mortality--one would think the "pro-life" people would have this as an area of concern but their attitude is "we love fetuses but after birth, you are on your own" Their indifference to the fate of mothers and their babies is proof of their massive hypocrisy
I was just informed in a newsletter from Yellowhammer, that Alabama now has the highest maternal mortality rate in the country. I assume TX is going to try to beat that.
Surprised that it's not Mississippi but Texas would have been my second guess.
Mississippi is highest in infant mortality.
We do like to have the biggest here. Sigh.
I'll keep saying it until it's no longer true, or I'm no longer alive.
Pretend To Be Pro Life People know that: Women (and girls) who have sex (willingly or forced) MUST be punished by pregnancy carried to delivery or death (doesn't matter which) regardless of health, circumstance, or age (old enough to bleed, old enough to breed). What happens to the infant after it exits the womb is unimportant. One we are born, we are Fair Game.
OK, so I'm with Samantha Casiano and I just threw up after reading this post. We need to destroy the patriarchy, not the planet.
https://substack.com/profile/155713940-queen-meabh/note/c-22016912
If doctors all over your state are afraid to perform a procedure that, in their judgment, is necessary, because they’re afraid of losing their license/going to jail, maybe you have a shitty law and school consider rewriting it.
Unless of course, you consider sending doctors to prison for saving their patients’ lives a feature, not a bug.
They do, if the patient is a pregnant female.
If they were serious they'd be offering an alternative set of rules for docs to follow. They prefer the chaos in which docs feel they have to take the most restrictive approach to protect their careers. And if they put the horrific restrictions they want on paper it would expose the cruelty that they are promoting.
about Pearl: she's doing the same old pick-me routine the likes of Coulter and even Schlafly did their whole lives and so far has been successful.
the one main difference is that her shtick is entirely devoid of a pretense of intellect as she is catering to the red pill crowd.
Why is she out in public unaccompanied? Shouldn't she be sequestered, or wearing a blue or black bag?
scarlet dress and white bonnet.
Robyn and I have disagreed over the use of "pregnant people" . I see it as a detriment to reaching out to voters because it allows the Right to render our terror and anger risible ("They think that men get pregnant! HA-HA!") and denies the misogyny that is at the core of these laws.
Here, though, I think that while misogyny runs through these laws like a fetid river, Texas' goal in its current response is not that the whores should be punished but that abortion should be separated from medical care.
The upcoming amendment in Ohio addreses language brilliantly because it uses "pregnant patient" - cis, trans, and non-binary distinctions fall away versus doctors and nurses being able to care for someone who is suffering.
Under Roe, there was always a recognition that pregnancy is unique because there are two patients. That is why it permitted restriction of abortion after viability. Forced birth laws, however, negate the patient who is carrying the other.
A patient who is septic from a leaking abscess or who is bleeding because of a tumor would never be told to go home and wait to sicken further to earn treatment, but when that patient is septic or bleeding due to a pregnancy that is what happens.
That is what this ruling is about - bringing abortion care back under medical care.
In the clickbait social media universe creatures like Tate or Davis matter disproportionately, but most people have never heard of them. Their malice is an opportunistic glom-on rather than a driver, and it is frankly never going to be a winning argument that Texas wants to kill pregnant patients because they had sex.
This ruling, however, throws down the gauntlet on medical care qua medical care.
That is why , even though the Court used the legal term "person", the CRR said "The court has been clear: doctors must be able to provide patients the standard of care in pregnancy complications. That standard of care in certain cases is abortion because it is essential, life-saving healthcare."
Calling the victims of these laws what they are - patients - is what we really need to start doing.
Texas' goal in its current response is not that the whores should be punished but that abortion should be separated from medical care
this point right there. there's always some good old separate but equal in the subtext.
Excellent points, thank you. I would also point that the judges ruling against the laws restricting medical treatment for transgender children targeted only transgender children while allowing those same treatments when gender dysphoria was not a prevailing issue. Essentially making it a requirement to compare “patients” to “patients”.
Exactly - it is an equal protection matter since a cis boy with gynecomastia or a cis girl with a virilizing condition can get a hormone blocker but a trans kid cannot.
That does not mean that a kid who says that they are trans should automatically get medication. Best practice would still require the doctor to evaluate whether the care is safe and warranted for them individually. However, they would be on the same equal footing as being a patient.
As it should be. The last paragraph is a given and understood (and well-said), of course, as we actually care about the welfare of children.
For the life of me I cannot fathom why any self respecting woman would go around wearing a shirt or otherwise espousing the opinion that women shouldn’t vote. Actually I can’t fathom why a man would do that either.
And it made me wonder if she votes.
And yet "Nazi" Ann Coulter has been known to say in her loooooooong career that it was a mistake to give women the vote.
I doubt she'd be that eager, were she a victim of Tate's predilections.
Because she gets monetized clicks and attention, including lots from outraged liberals who give her a far larger footprint than she would have if only followed by the edgelords in their moms' basements.
It's a (deeply cynical) living that we frankly help with.
If they cared about babies, they would care about them after they were born. They don't. You are 100% correct.
Courts rule that "deeply held" religious beliefs can allow a pharmacist to refuse to fill a prescription for birth control pills for reasons not at all related to preventing pregnancy,or medication to protect a woman's health during a miscarriage. They need present no evidence that their belief is actually deeply held, just saying it is is enough. But a medical professional after consulting with a woman and getting complete medical evidence deciding a fetus has no chance of living more than a few hours after delivery or that that pregnancy endangers a woman's health or life has to worry about some religious zealot who happens to be a district attorney, with no medical training, can not just question that decision, they can try to take their medical license away and put them in prison. And establish a citizen Gestapo to pry into a woman's most private medical decisions then turn them in to the state for a bounty.
Yet if I found out a Republican politician had a prescription for Viagra and publicized it the GOP would have a fit and want me arrested for violating HIPAA. Which is not actually illegal since private citizens are not typically a covered entity under HIPAA unless acting on behalf of a medical provider or business associated with health care or health insurance. So if I found a prescription bottle for Viagra with Chuck Grassley's name on it in the parking lot I could put it on Twitter. At least until Mr. First Amendment Elon blocked it.
Imma guess the pearly woman actually votes
you know, because of that 'hypocrite' thing...HOWEVER I would have NO problem with ALL republican women sitting out the vote in perpetuity...I gots no problem with that...
By all means, GQP women, sit out the vote. Your choice (do you know what that word means?).
Phyllis Schlafly made a career out of traveling the country, telling women that they should stay home and not have a career. So that level of hypocrisy on the Right has always been around.
My son wanted me to watch the series about her, and after the first 2/3 of the first episode, I couldn't watch any more. I was physically ill. I told him the actors were fantastic, and Cate Blanchett got her nasty little smirk down pat, but I could watch. Living through the hell that bitch caused, once, was enough for me. I didn't want to do it again.
That always really pissed me off. Phyllis Schlafly hated being shoehorned into the role of SAHM. She was a smart, talented woman who wanted more for herself, but couldn't break out of the mindset she was raised with that a woman's only value is as a wife and mother. So she found a way to make it work for her, ruining the lives of millions of women for generations ever after with this fucking Traditional Family Values bullshit.
Not just a "hypocrite" thing.
It's a fascist thing.
Hey, any irresponsible slut could find some quack to say her fetus has irreversible, fatal abnormalities! You keep allowing so-called "compassionate" exceptions like saving a woman's life, and before you know it, the abortion law is a dead letter!
Anyway, what are those women whining about? In Texas, schoolchildren take their lives in their hands just by going to school every day. And these crybabies don't even want to risk dying after they have sex!