Has the age of families sending their daughters and wives away for safe pregnancy care elsewhere begun in Texas? (Except the poor and the financially precarious. They will be screwed six ways from Sunday.) They can't wait until she is very pregnant to do it. Too much will be taken out of her (and their) hands by that point. What amazes me is that there are millions of people in this country who are fine with the way things stand.
I mean, who doesn’t lurve them some ambiguous laws, amirite? We could use a whole heapin’ helpin’ of MOAR ambiguous laws on them there books, lawmakers! Some suggestions:
-Is it really a crime to murder someone when they appear on your property? Oh wait, we already have those - Stand Yer Gun laws! My bad!
-Shouldn’t cops be able to shoot with impunity the melaninly-enriched without fear of losing their jerbs? Shucks, I am pretty bad at this there’s already Super-Duper Qualified Immunity for LEOs!
-You know if corporations were people and they could give as much $$$ as they wanted to the political candidates of their choice, why, it sure would help reduce some of that pesky “democracy for the little peoples” crap that’s been infecting the American Experiment like tainted blood from druggie messican aliens and such like! Wassat? “Citizens United”? *Reads Supreme Court decision furiously* DANG! I guess we DO have a bunch of vague, shittily written laws on the books ALREADY that strangle justice in its crib before it ever gets a chance to live a long and productive life!
THANKS ENEMIES OF JUSTICE! YOU HELP KEEP OUR COUNTRY TRULY FUCKED!
Note that this philosophy professor is giving me serious Jordan Peterson vibes. The specific complaint is that Title IX bars them from failing female students due to missed classroom time due to an abortion, but he and his buddy are also seeking to be able to control their female students' behavior even when it has no effect on classroom performance at all.
Clearly HIS class is the only important one, and those pregnant Slutty McSlutttersons don't seriously start missing class time until they get closer to term, after the current semester is over. Meanwhile, he's being deprived of the warm fuzzies he gets seeing future white babies and sluts getting their comeuppance. Poor guy.
What a shame I’m not in college anymore. I’m getting older and the OED isn’t getting any smaller, but by god, rage sure lends a boost to the ol’ throwing arm.
What really gets me is that they didn’t have to write badly worded, extremely vague laws. They could have chosen to be very clear about exceptions for deceased fetuses or fetuses with fatal conditions. They could have put in a clause allowing doctors to affirm, under penalty of law, that they performed the abortion because it was the best treatment under the circumstances, and that letting the pregnancy progress would have done irreparable and perhaps fatal damage to the patient. The laws were written to be this bad. I try to remember that.
If any of them ever want an abortion they will get one and say their's is a special case and go right back to screwing everyone else. Women are people. Some people are assholes.
"As of February, even 25 percent of Democrats in the state thought the laws outlawing abortion should be even more strict"
Uh...wut?
"In the aftermath of the implementation of a near-total ban on abortion access in the state following restrictive laws passed in Texas in 2021 and the Dobbs decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 that overturned Roe v. Wade’s constitutional protection of abortion access during the first trimester, 45% of Texas voters say abortion laws in Texas should be made less strict, while 27% said they should be more strict, and 21% said they should be left as they are now. Two-thirds of Democrats (66%) and nearly a quarter of Republicans (24%) favored making Texas’ laws less strict, while a plurality of Republicans (35%) favored leaving those laws as they are now with slightly fewer favoring making them more strict (32%). Only 5% of Democrats favored the status quo, though a quarter (25%) also favored making abortion laws more strict."
OFFS...but if the general trend is heading towards making the laws less strict, maybe at some point that 25% will wise up? Maybe after some fucking DEATHS?
It's just a shame that it will take that much FFCS...
Yeah, that does seem inconsistent. You gotta wonder exactly how that question was worded. Maybe "more strict," in this case, included the possibility of a more clearly defined ban that would allow doctors to provide life-and-health-saving care without being second-guessed by overzealous prosecutors?
"There is, understandably to some degree, a desire to want these things to be cut-an-dried, for there to be some exact point at which something can be declared a “life-threatening condition” and a doctor can feel secure knowing that performing an abortion will not get them sent to prison."
I would rephrase that, myself. This is not a mere human desire. Clear, unambiguous rules are a professional requirement for doctors. And in a broader sense, the general public, since we all know and love someone who could wind up dying due to necessary and legal care being denied due to uncertainty, even if we aren't subject to that risk ourselves.
And it's not JUST the risk of going to prison. The need to defend yourself against overzealous criminal prosecution is an intolerable burden even if the facts of the case are completely in your favor and you win. The risk of prosecution itself is the threat.
This right here. And it's why doctors are abandoning anti-choice states in droves. Being a doctor is hard work. And it's stressful. Why would they subject themselves to the additional burden of having a Sword of Damocles hanging over their neck in the form of a lengthy and expensive prosecution - where the prosecuting agent is under no risk of consequences if they lose the case?
Has the age of families sending their daughters and wives away for safe pregnancy care elsewhere begun in Texas? (Except the poor and the financially precarious. They will be screwed six ways from Sunday.) They can't wait until she is very pregnant to do it. Too much will be taken out of her (and their) hands by that point. What amazes me is that there are millions of people in this country who are fine with the way things stand.
The court doesn't care. The law is working *exactly as intended*.
Sad and frustrating. We have to figure out how to stop these assholes.
Ta, Robyn. Vote. Them. Out. AOT, K.
I mean, who doesn’t lurve them some ambiguous laws, amirite? We could use a whole heapin’ helpin’ of MOAR ambiguous laws on them there books, lawmakers! Some suggestions:
-Is it really a crime to murder someone when they appear on your property? Oh wait, we already have those - Stand Yer Gun laws! My bad!
-Shouldn’t cops be able to shoot with impunity the melaninly-enriched without fear of losing their jerbs? Shucks, I am pretty bad at this there’s already Super-Duper Qualified Immunity for LEOs!
-You know if corporations were people and they could give as much $$$ as they wanted to the political candidates of their choice, why, it sure would help reduce some of that pesky “democracy for the little peoples” crap that’s been infecting the American Experiment like tainted blood from druggie messican aliens and such like! Wassat? “Citizens United”? *Reads Supreme Court decision furiously* DANG! I guess we DO have a bunch of vague, shittily written laws on the books ALREADY that strangle justice in its crib before it ever gets a chance to live a long and productive life!
THANKS ENEMIES OF JUSTICE! YOU HELP KEEP OUR COUNTRY TRULY FUCKED!
Women dying = feature, not a bug of this law.
They seem to think of women dying in childbirth as either whores who deserve it, or Christian martyrs that please their god.
Well, yeah! DUH!
Can we build a wall and make texas pay for it?
The choir wore black?
Many thanks for showing these sadistic moral defectives for what they are, Robyn.
I don't like arguing about how many weeks and what exceptions. We know from experience that when abortion is restricted, people suffer.
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Very related. More disgusting shenanigans from Texas:
"Texas professors sue to fail students who seek abortions"
https://www.salon.com/2024/06/03/texas-professors-to-fail-students-seek-abortions/
Note that this philosophy professor is giving me serious Jordan Peterson vibes. The specific complaint is that Title IX bars them from failing female students due to missed classroom time due to an abortion, but he and his buddy are also seeking to be able to control their female students' behavior even when it has no effect on classroom performance at all.
I would think that on average, students who get abortions miss less class time than ones who carry to term.
Clearly HIS class is the only important one, and those pregnant Slutty McSlutttersons don't seriously start missing class time until they get closer to term, after the current semester is over. Meanwhile, he's being deprived of the warm fuzzies he gets seeing future white babies and sluts getting their comeuppance. Poor guy.
I’m also curious how he thinks he’ll know who’s pregnant, never mind having an abortion.
I'm sure he intends to interrogate all the girls in his class about things like that. We all know his type, don't we?
What a shame I’m not in college anymore. I’m getting older and the OED isn’t getting any smaller, but by god, rage sure lends a boost to the ol’ throwing arm.
The skullfuckery is bigger in Texas, and they are proud.
What really gets me is that they didn’t have to write badly worded, extremely vague laws. They could have chosen to be very clear about exceptions for deceased fetuses or fetuses with fatal conditions. They could have put in a clause allowing doctors to affirm, under penalty of law, that they performed the abortion because it was the best treatment under the circumstances, and that letting the pregnancy progress would have done irreparable and perhaps fatal damage to the patient. The laws were written to be this bad. I try to remember that.
There are women on that court. Weird.
If any of them ever want an abortion they will get one and say their's is a special case and go right back to screwing everyone else. Women are people. Some people are assholes.
yep.
"As of February, even 25 percent of Democrats in the state thought the laws outlawing abortion should be even more strict"
Uh...wut?
"In the aftermath of the implementation of a near-total ban on abortion access in the state following restrictive laws passed in Texas in 2021 and the Dobbs decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 that overturned Roe v. Wade’s constitutional protection of abortion access during the first trimester, 45% of Texas voters say abortion laws in Texas should be made less strict, while 27% said they should be more strict, and 21% said they should be left as they are now. Two-thirds of Democrats (66%) and nearly a quarter of Republicans (24%) favored making Texas’ laws less strict, while a plurality of Republicans (35%) favored leaving those laws as they are now with slightly fewer favoring making them more strict (32%). Only 5% of Democrats favored the status quo, though a quarter (25%) also favored making abortion laws more strict."
OFFS...but if the general trend is heading towards making the laws less strict, maybe at some point that 25% will wise up? Maybe after some fucking DEATHS?
It's just a shame that it will take that much FFCS...
Yeah, that does seem inconsistent. You gotta wonder exactly how that question was worded. Maybe "more strict," in this case, included the possibility of a more clearly defined ban that would allow doctors to provide life-and-health-saving care without being second-guessed by overzealous prosecutors?
"There is, understandably to some degree, a desire to want these things to be cut-an-dried, for there to be some exact point at which something can be declared a “life-threatening condition” and a doctor can feel secure knowing that performing an abortion will not get them sent to prison."
I would rephrase that, myself. This is not a mere human desire. Clear, unambiguous rules are a professional requirement for doctors. And in a broader sense, the general public, since we all know and love someone who could wind up dying due to necessary and legal care being denied due to uncertainty, even if we aren't subject to that risk ourselves.
And it's not JUST the risk of going to prison. The need to defend yourself against overzealous criminal prosecution is an intolerable burden even if the facts of the case are completely in your favor and you win. The risk of prosecution itself is the threat.
Prison? Someone could give out their name, address, car registration and daily routine. And let Gawd sort out the problem via the 2A.
This right here. And it's why doctors are abandoning anti-choice states in droves. Being a doctor is hard work. And it's stressful. Why would they subject themselves to the additional burden of having a Sword of Damocles hanging over their neck in the form of a lengthy and expensive prosecution - where the prosecuting agent is under no risk of consequences if they lose the case?
It's bullshit.
Which is exactly the indented consequence.
Yep, no one will pay their attorneys' fees, which would probably start at 6 figures.
Everyone pro-life is a fucking murderer at this point. Everyone. Fucking murderers.