There's another question that deserves attention here. Why was Smith sent home "without a CT scan, without anything"? For all we know, if Emory had given her the medical attention she needed, she might be alive today.
Truly pro-life would have been to believe the African American woman really did have a medical problem and treat her right away. There is a lot of racism in health care and it affects pregnancy outcomes.
"This uncertainty haunts the entire debate about Smith’s condition . . ."
There is no "debate" to be had about Smith's condition. It is no one's fucking business except her family's and her doctors'. Imagine talking about a debate over a man with ED. Or anyone with cancer or heart disease.
The "debate" is about abortion. We know this because they removed the life support--and the supposed wrangling on who gets to make decisions for those who are brain dead ceased once the baby was delivered via c-section. This dead woman's body was used as an incubator contrary to the wishes of her family. It's grotesque.
As far as I'm concerned, they used her for an experiment against her will. She didn't give birth, because her body was dead. It was decaying. What actually happened was the doctors extracted a fetus from a corpse. I hope her mother sues fir malpractice and the cowardly hospital gets shut down.
Why don't these folks just render all women of child-bearing age brain-dead? Then they can use their wombs however they want--as incubators, essentially, which is what they turned Smith into. Or maybe just do it to registered Dems?
Don't tell me they aren't fantasizing exactly this.
They want them all to convert to Christianity, which is the next worst thing. Non-Christians simply do not understand the extent to which Christians are taught that one's own mind can't be trusted.
Funny how those wealthy forced birthers like Leonard Leo never seem to pull out their checkbooks in cases like this and make it clear that the hospital bill for both the now-dead mother and the infant who's in neonatal care will be paid, no questions asked and absolutely no risk to the family.
I think the family could find possible standing for abuse of a corpse, same as what the forced birthers use to convict people who have miscarriages or stillbirths at home.
If it was about keeping Smith “alive,” why was she taken off life support after she gave birth? The only thing in her status that changed was the lack of a fetus inside her. The condition of her brain or other organs hadn’t changed.
The state of Georgis should HAVE to pay this hospital bill. I really don't like it here in the US much anymore. I wish I didn't feel this way, but hey, maybe they'll send me back to where my granddad came from! 🫣🫣🫣
Both sides of the argument are in the right and we should just stop arguing. Yes, the real issue is the ethics of who should make decisions for someone incapacitated. But it's the abortion laws which muddied the waters and created the insane response of the hospital. At one pound 3 ounces I'd say his chances of survival are between slim and none. But either way, it is he - and Smith's family members - who are the real victims here. Please, people, consider a living will.
While you are correct that we should, each of us, have a living will, does anyone know whether Adriana Smith had one? It sounds like she did--and when her brain died, and the hospital protected itself rather than Smith or her family, the state refused to honor her legal wishes and directives. Her body was turned into an incubator. Her fetus was born very prematurely. Should he survive, he could well have lifelong severe mental and/or physical disabilities, which is an incredible burden to place on any family, let alone a boyfriend. This is tragic for all involved, even as the people who loved Adriana Smith would do all that they possibly can for Chance.
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As a result of this case, the forced birthers like Elizabeth Bruenig must use pretzel logic and triple down in their zeal to prevail, especially now that their cult leader trump, and their allies in Congress, are positioned to force their beliefs on every American. Six mad ghouls on SCOTUS will also help birth a direct reversal back to the religio-political laws of the past, subjecting females and all those who love them to terrible outcomes.
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Fans of the streaming show The Handmaid's Tale noticed the similarities between Smith's case and the scenes of a woman being used as an incubator to bring a fetus to term on that show.
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In response to the Smith case in Georgia, Jessica Valenti's Abortion, Every Day Substack published a map showing which US States would honor living wills and which would not, in situations like this. The map and its implications were news to most Americans paying attention, having believed that if they created the correct legal documents, their rights and wishes would be respected. Perhaps this hospital should be sued for various reasons, including bringing to legal attention just what people can expect from not just the medical systems they encounter, but the legal ones.
After my psycho cousin tried to kill his 90-yr-old mother, he drained her bank accounts and bounced a lot of checks. I, with her Power of Attorney, filed charges against him in 4 different police departments. Six months later my aunt died. When I called the 4 police departments after her death, they had done NOTHING about the case, and then told me "We can't proceed because the victim is dead." WTF??????? Her son stole thousands of dollars from her, thereby defrauding her heir (her grandson), but it's not a crime because she died??? Makes no sense at all, except that cops in rural Missouri just don't do their jobs.
There's another question that deserves attention here. Why was Smith sent home "without a CT scan, without anything"? For all we know, if Emory had given her the medical attention she needed, she might be alive today.
Truly pro-life would have been to believe the African American woman really did have a medical problem and treat her right away. There is a lot of racism in health care and it affects pregnancy outcomes.
"This uncertainty haunts the entire debate about Smith’s condition . . ."
There is no "debate" to be had about Smith's condition. It is no one's fucking business except her family's and her doctors'. Imagine talking about a debate over a man with ED. Or anyone with cancer or heart disease.
The "debate" is about abortion. We know this because they removed the life support--and the supposed wrangling on who gets to make decisions for those who are brain dead ceased once the baby was delivered via c-section. This dead woman's body was used as an incubator contrary to the wishes of her family. It's grotesque.
As far as I'm concerned, they used her for an experiment against her will. She didn't give birth, because her body was dead. It was decaying. What actually happened was the doctors extracted a fetus from a corpse. I hope her mother sues fir malpractice and the cowardly hospital gets shut down.
Why don't these folks just render all women of child-bearing age brain-dead? Then they can use their wombs however they want--as incubators, essentially, which is what they turned Smith into. Or maybe just do it to registered Dems?
Don't tell me they aren't fantasizing exactly this.
They want them all to convert to Christianity, which is the next worst thing. Non-Christians simply do not understand the extent to which Christians are taught that one's own mind can't be trusted.
Funny how those wealthy forced birthers like Leonard Leo never seem to pull out their checkbooks in cases like this and make it clear that the hospital bill for both the now-dead mother and the infant who's in neonatal care will be paid, no questions asked and absolutely no risk to the family.
Anyone ask them why not?
Someone should ask the woman who wrote the Atlantic article whether she's going to help cover the expenses too.
Three words: wrongful birth lawsuit. Good luck to Chance and his family.
I was hoping to see the ACLU step up for this
Ta, Robyn. Which Rape-uglican Xtianist family has stepped up to pay the NICU (neonatal intensive care unit) bills? I hear crickets.
Why do Bible types always work so damn hard at avoiding any consequences for their actions/ inactions?
I think the more cruel their treatment of others is, the more pious they feel.
God’s work! So very demanding!
How come this all-powerful God needs puny humans to do His dirty work?
(And give Him all the credit for things they actually did all on their own, come to think of it?)
My theory is that god is very lazy. I mean, it took six days to create the earth BEFORE THERE WERE ANY DAYS!
Incredibly disappointed in the Atlantic for this. So who did pay for her "care?"
The Atlantic is a National Review that thinks it's a New Yorker. "Both sides are the same!" in the dead tree format.
I think the family could find possible standing for abuse of a corpse, same as what the forced birthers use to convict people who have miscarriages or stillbirths at home.
If it was about keeping Smith “alive,” why was she taken off life support after she gave birth? The only thing in her status that changed was the lack of a fetus inside her. The condition of her brain or other organs hadn’t changed.
I don't know how to describe how much I hate this shit.
Literally don't have the words.
Here's one: "Typical!". ( Just a suggestion )
Tx Hank
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The state of Georgis should HAVE to pay this hospital bill. I really don't like it here in the US much anymore. I wish I didn't feel this way, but hey, maybe they'll send me back to where my granddad came from! 🫣🫣🫣
Both sides of the argument are in the right and we should just stop arguing. Yes, the real issue is the ethics of who should make decisions for someone incapacitated. But it's the abortion laws which muddied the waters and created the insane response of the hospital. At one pound 3 ounces I'd say his chances of survival are between slim and none. But either way, it is he - and Smith's family members - who are the real victims here. Please, people, consider a living will.
While you are correct that we should, each of us, have a living will, does anyone know whether Adriana Smith had one? It sounds like she did--and when her brain died, and the hospital protected itself rather than Smith or her family, the state refused to honor her legal wishes and directives. Her body was turned into an incubator. Her fetus was born very prematurely. Should he survive, he could well have lifelong severe mental and/or physical disabilities, which is an incredible burden to place on any family, let alone a boyfriend. This is tragic for all involved, even as the people who loved Adriana Smith would do all that they possibly can for Chance.
.
As a result of this case, the forced birthers like Elizabeth Bruenig must use pretzel logic and triple down in their zeal to prevail, especially now that their cult leader trump, and their allies in Congress, are positioned to force their beliefs on every American. Six mad ghouls on SCOTUS will also help birth a direct reversal back to the religio-political laws of the past, subjecting females and all those who love them to terrible outcomes.
.
Fans of the streaming show The Handmaid's Tale noticed the similarities between Smith's case and the scenes of a woman being used as an incubator to bring a fetus to term on that show.
.
In response to the Smith case in Georgia, Jessica Valenti's Abortion, Every Day Substack published a map showing which US States would honor living wills and which would not, in situations like this. The map and its implications were news to most Americans paying attention, having believed that if they created the correct legal documents, their rights and wishes would be respected. Perhaps this hospital should be sued for various reasons, including bringing to legal attention just what people can expect from not just the medical systems they encounter, but the legal ones.
my guess is the state would have ignored it
And you may well be right. But it would be something to take to court.
After my psycho cousin tried to kill his 90-yr-old mother, he drained her bank accounts and bounced a lot of checks. I, with her Power of Attorney, filed charges against him in 4 different police departments. Six months later my aunt died. When I called the 4 police departments after her death, they had done NOTHING about the case, and then told me "We can't proceed because the victim is dead." WTF??????? Her son stole thousands of dollars from her, thereby defrauding her heir (her grandson), but it's not a crime because she died??? Makes no sense at all, except that cops in rural Missouri just don't do their jobs.
Those last 9 words there? That's the story too often.
When your case is over (and it will be) you should write a book about your family.
I will do. It's half written already, but I suspect nobody will believe a lot of it.
we all will because we have followed along with you about the abhorrent behaviour of people in your family
*I* will. I'll even watch the movie when it's made.