detention center sounds better than concentration camp.
The president administration has more lightness to Germany 1933 than the USA.
For the life for me, I cannot understand how people voted this orange monster into office and continue to support him.
Frankly, I hope the worst happens so that people feel the consequences of their vote
So when one of your neighbors gets supported or your daughter or wife dies on a operating table because they couldn't get an abortion, my question is gonna be who did you vote for?
As a military engineer with decades in the field, I can tell you this: if they don’t have a functioning camp for 30,000 people TODAY, right now, they will not have one for at least a year, more likely two, possibly somewhere between 5 and never. No matter the urgency (and I’ve been involved with setting up camps in actual combat zones, where building it quickly is a matter of life or death for our own troops), shit at that scale ONLY happens with contractors. And despite conventional wisdom, military contractors know by now they have to be neither quick, nor cheap nor good, and they’ll still get paid.
Oh and by the way, at its maximum Gitmo held less than 1,000 prisoners. So no, they ain’t got shit. If they are smart, or at least sneaky, they will take that bed capacity, fill it with some of the flagrantly “worst” detainees, and make a show of it. Oh and meanwhile they’ll funnel a few hundred million Amero$ to BAH or KBR or Fluor build a camp which will never be completed or used.
While I feel terrible for Laken Riley and her family, I inherently hate any law enacted in the name of a white woman while holding up a Scary Brown Man as the example of villainy. What about aaaallllll the pretty white women who die at the hands of white men who stalked or abused them, only to have law enforcement shrug when they asked for protection?
If the golf course a the base in Cuba can hold 6000 people, then surdly Trump's Big, Beautiful golf course in Doral can hold some 18,000 people (stay away green I peed on).
It's easier than flying thousands of people to f'n Cuba.
Having a memory that still functions, unlike Trump's, I recall the GWB administration saying just that, GWB himself and Rumsfeld, old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all, after 7/11, when they were desperate to at least look as though they were doing something decisive to avenge that atrocity. They rounded up people pretty much at random, and labelled them al-Qaeda combatants on the basis of "interrogations" carried out through "interpreters" who had formerly been ten-a-penny tourist guides or taxi drivers, or on the say-so of Northern Alliance chieftains.
It was easy to imagine the reaction of any Northern Alliance warlord, and probably drug lord, when he got the news. First, laughter. Very loud laughter. Then he'd call in his lieutenant and roar, "Hey, Amanullah, guess what? The Americans are offering a bounty, five thousand dollars a head, for al-Qaeda combatants! This town we're shelling now, whatever its name is, after we take it, collect two hundred fall guys. Make sure they're all wounded. Easiest million we've ever made."
Donald Trump and his freak show can be counted on to do the impossible and institute processes that are even sloppier and more cruel. The cruelty is the point, as the cliche goes.
I guess now we know where all the disappeared will go. Gawd, this is all so horrifying. I am terrified for immigrants. Laken-Riley is a terrible piece of legislation that never should have had any democratic support.
Department of Government Efficiency: "School lunch programs are wasteful."
Using a military transport, it cost $4675 to fly each person deported via El Paso to Guatamala last Monday. Commercial 1st class tickets same route are $865.
in 2018 $540 million (!) was spent to hold 40 prisoners for a single year (14 million per). That man wants to send 30,000 people there. For how long and at what cost?
It will be nothing less than a black ops site outside of the U.S. judicial system.
That is very much the plan. Slash all spending on domestic infrastructure or public good and keep billionaires happy by lowering their taxes. How else will they afford their own armed guards?
NPR Morning Edition this morning, on lack of Gitmo facilities and cost:
MICHEL MARTIN: Does the existing migrant holding facility at Guantanamo actually have 30,000 beds?
PFEIFFER: Unclear. When Trump first announced this, he said it did, but he later said he plans to expand the facility to full capacity. I spoke about this with the executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, Vince Warren. And he said this about the current status of Guantanamo's migrant detention operation.
VINCE WARREN: There haven't been 30,000 beds in decades. The facility is decrepit. It's been falling apart. It's in disrepair.
SACHA PFEIFFER: He told me he knows that through reports from migrants who have been there. Defense Secretary Hegseth also said a golf course on the naval base would have room for 6,000 deported migrants. So the administration seems to be trying to identify different spaces at Guantanamo that could have room for tens of thousands of people.
MARTIN: And before we let you go, holding prisoners at Guantanamo has been very expensive over the years. Do we know how much this would cost and where this money would come from?
PFEIFFER: The administration did not give a dollar figure, but you're right. The plan would require construction, food, lodging for people held there, guards or staff to oversee it, money to transport migrants there - because Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, said the migrants would be flown there directly. https://www.npr.org/transcripts/nx-s1-5279528
If the golf course ar the base in Cuba can hold 6000 people, then surely Trump's Big, Beautiful golf course in Doral can hold some 18,000 people (stay away green I peed on).
It's easier than flying thousands of people to f'n Cuba.
Yeah, “the likes of which have never been seen before…” BECAUSE THEY DON’T EXIST!! …CONGRESS-SSY NO TO FUNDING THIS RIDICULOUSNESS!
Didn't Michael Bay make a movie about Gitmo? Or some other megaprison like that?
detention center sounds better than concentration camp.
The president administration has more lightness to Germany 1933 than the USA.
For the life for me, I cannot understand how people voted this orange monster into office and continue to support him.
Frankly, I hope the worst happens so that people feel the consequences of their vote
So when one of your neighbors gets supported or your daughter or wife dies on a operating table because they couldn't get an abortion, my question is gonna be who did you vote for?
here it comes
Ta, Dok. I am beyond horrified at the prospect.
As a military engineer with decades in the field, I can tell you this: if they don’t have a functioning camp for 30,000 people TODAY, right now, they will not have one for at least a year, more likely two, possibly somewhere between 5 and never. No matter the urgency (and I’ve been involved with setting up camps in actual combat zones, where building it quickly is a matter of life or death for our own troops), shit at that scale ONLY happens with contractors. And despite conventional wisdom, military contractors know by now they have to be neither quick, nor cheap nor good, and they’ll still get paid.
Oh and by the way, at its maximum Gitmo held less than 1,000 prisoners. So no, they ain’t got shit. If they are smart, or at least sneaky, they will take that bed capacity, fill it with some of the flagrantly “worst” detainees, and make a show of it. Oh and meanwhile they’ll funnel a few hundred million Amero$ to BAH or KBR or Fluor build a camp which will never be completed or used.
While I feel terrible for Laken Riley and her family, I inherently hate any law enacted in the name of a white woman while holding up a Scary Brown Man as the example of villainy. What about aaaallllll the pretty white women who die at the hands of white men who stalked or abused them, only to have law enforcement shrug when they asked for protection?
Trump and Steve Miller
If the golf course a the base in Cuba can hold 6000 people, then surdly Trump's Big, Beautiful golf course in Doral can hold some 18,000 people (stay away green I peed on).
It's easier than flying thousands of people to f'n Cuba.
"These guys are the worst of the worst."
Having a memory that still functions, unlike Trump's, I recall the GWB administration saying just that, GWB himself and Rumsfeld, old Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all, after 7/11, when they were desperate to at least look as though they were doing something decisive to avenge that atrocity. They rounded up people pretty much at random, and labelled them al-Qaeda combatants on the basis of "interrogations" carried out through "interpreters" who had formerly been ten-a-penny tourist guides or taxi drivers, or on the say-so of Northern Alliance chieftains.
It was easy to imagine the reaction of any Northern Alliance warlord, and probably drug lord, when he got the news. First, laughter. Very loud laughter. Then he'd call in his lieutenant and roar, "Hey, Amanullah, guess what? The Americans are offering a bounty, five thousand dollars a head, for al-Qaeda combatants! This town we're shelling now, whatever its name is, after we take it, collect two hundred fall guys. Make sure they're all wounded. Easiest million we've ever made."
Donald Trump and his freak show can be counted on to do the impossible and institute processes that are even sloppier and more cruel. The cruelty is the point, as the cliche goes.
I thought greenland was going to be the destination for all pab's enemies, friends of his enemies, the media, and women who are not his type.
I guess now we know where all the disappeared will go. Gawd, this is all so horrifying. I am terrified for immigrants. Laken-Riley is a terrible piece of legislation that never should have had any democratic support.
So, because the US cannot deport Cubans back to Cuba, they'll be sent to... Cuba?
Department of Government Efficiency: "School lunch programs are wasteful."
Using a military transport, it cost $4675 to fly each person deported via El Paso to Guatamala last Monday. Commercial 1st class tickets same route are $865.
in 2018 $540 million (!) was spent to hold 40 prisoners for a single year (14 million per). That man wants to send 30,000 people there. For how long and at what cost?
It will be nothing less than a black ops site outside of the U.S. judicial system.
Too expensive unless they halt Obamacare, Medicaid, Medicare, SNAP, Aid to Families with Dependent Children...I wouldn't put it past them.
That is very much the plan. Slash all spending on domestic infrastructure or public good and keep billionaires happy by lowering their taxes. How else will they afford their own armed guards?
NPR Morning Edition this morning, on lack of Gitmo facilities and cost:
MICHEL MARTIN: Does the existing migrant holding facility at Guantanamo actually have 30,000 beds?
PFEIFFER: Unclear. When Trump first announced this, he said it did, but he later said he plans to expand the facility to full capacity. I spoke about this with the executive director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, Vince Warren. And he said this about the current status of Guantanamo's migrant detention operation.
VINCE WARREN: There haven't been 30,000 beds in decades. The facility is decrepit. It's been falling apart. It's in disrepair.
SACHA PFEIFFER: He told me he knows that through reports from migrants who have been there. Defense Secretary Hegseth also said a golf course on the naval base would have room for 6,000 deported migrants. So the administration seems to be trying to identify different spaces at Guantanamo that could have room for tens of thousands of people.
MARTIN: And before we let you go, holding prisoners at Guantanamo has been very expensive over the years. Do we know how much this would cost and where this money would come from?
PFEIFFER: The administration did not give a dollar figure, but you're right. The plan would require construction, food, lodging for people held there, guards or staff to oversee it, money to transport migrants there - because Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, said the migrants would be flown there directly. https://www.npr.org/transcripts/nx-s1-5279528
If the golf course ar the base in Cuba can hold 6000 people, then surely Trump's Big, Beautiful golf course in Doral can hold some 18,000 people (stay away green I peed on).
It's easier than flying thousands of people to f'n Cuba.