Hi Marcie! Just followed you and the gang on Bluesky, thank you-all for making it easy. Haven't been on Xitter since Elno bought it, feels comforting to be connected. Admire your work greatly :)
All of this sounds scary enough, but we already have immigration laws and police who work to identify, detain, prosecute and deport dangerous illegal aliens. What will he do differently? How will he identify and FIND these people? He likes to play coy, for some reason, when pressed on the issue face-to-face with reporters, by claiming he’s only looking for the “dangerous” illegals first. Mmmm hmmm. We already have agencies, police, and policies to track down the worst criminals and offenders. But, until they commit crimes, or make themselves known, they aren’t eager to have contact with US authorities. It’s the drastic new measures that are likely to violate laws and ethics and humanitarian rights that people should be afraid of. And even if he could snap his short, fat fingers and deport every undocumented immigrant, he wouldn’t be making America safer. Immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes statistically, we know that. Rape, gun violence, gang violence, robbery and drug crimes are far more likely to involve American citizens. He will, however, displace a vital part of the workforce, and entire industries like agriculture and hospitality will suffer. It will cost enormous sums of money, and will negatively impact the economy. But it’s thirst quenching for angry voters, sadists and right-wing extremists, and that’s what it’s really about.
The US spends $50 billion a year on drug prohibition enforcement. What else do they plan to do?
His bullshit party can start by enacting the bipartisan immigration bill created early this year and bolstering the border, something our government could have done already, but didn’t, due to concerns about Trump’s feelings and the election. Imagine the hypocrisy of that - constant screaming about the “open border,” while at the same time refusing to do anything about it for fear it would remove a campaign issue. It makes me wonder if it’s best to stay out of politics altogether and focus my attention elsewhere.
This massive deportation plan seems to have little to no prospects of actually succeeding, even by the most mindlessly generous definition of "succeeding." It's cruel, involves millions of people, and would tank our economy. Might one suspect, then, that the true aim is not to actually accomplish all that deporting, but rather to provoke a reaction that would "justify" using the military to brutalize ordinary American citizens and take down resisting politicians in blue states? In other words, this could be Trump's main move if he really means to become the first American dictator instead of just being a jaw-droppingly lousy president like he was the first time around. It could create the "state of exception" so fundamental to anyone who would seize power and rule as a despot.
Ta, Marcie. If anyone wants to read an amazing work of historical fiction, Marge Piercy's Gone to Soldiers is brilliant and parts of it are quite frightening ... like seeing Jewish Parisian citizens getting deported. Oh, and it's not all a downer. One of the protagonists (there are several) is an amazing female pilot.
Excited for the price of groceries to come down, as that is why many people elected Trump over Kamala. Oh wait, you mean the opposite will be true? Who could EVER have seen THAT plot twist!
Elon says we’re gonna have to endure some hardships now that Trump is gonna be president. But economic hardships the reason they hate Kamala, right? And how many hardships is the world’s richest man gonna have to suffer?
I expect Trump will try to bypass the “we’re not actually at war” issue by saying the act of migrants entering the US without visas itself constitutes an act of war. (On ourselves and our freedums, the usual nonsense.) Ergo, all migrants are enemy combatants.
My concern is finding the people near me who are planning a “The hell you are” counter to this unconstitutional gambit. Because obviously the answer is no.
Edited to add: I also expect that if Trump’s people do start deporting people en masse, they will quickly determine that building camps is too time consuming and expensive. I hate this, but I would expect the mass deportations to simply become mass executions.
The private prison companies will line up to build camps - they've already done so at least twice in the past 10 years.
Regarding niceties such as courts & judges, the govt already has what I call bunker courts of judges who just hear cases via internet all day, every day.
Throw up some camps in horrific red states far from family connections, further rig an already rigged system with even more remote hearings & immigrants will start giving up & 'accepting' deportations.
I've been practicing immigration defense for 20+ years.
Kind of you to say - I added it at the end bc I've had a perhaps unsurprising number of commenters (mostly elsewhere) try to school me on immigration law.
You know when I said this months ago I was accused of catastrophe porn (not by you, obvs). Mango Mussolini & dollar store Goebbels wanted to launch drone strikes on migrant caravans, ffs.
Hi Marcie! Just followed you and the gang on Bluesky, thank you-all for making it easy. Haven't been on Xitter since Elno bought it, feels comforting to be connected. Admire your work greatly :)
"Fun fact, by the way: Biden and Obama actually deported more people than Trump ever did."
That's a bad thing. You do see how that is a bad thing, right? No wonder immigrants believe that Trump won't deport them, the statistics prove that.
“But is it a thing he can do? There’s a whole lot of legal and practical issues, here. And we do still have laws.”
😂 😂 😂 😂
“Laws are for the pawns, not for orange fascists with tiny paws.”
- Socrates.
All of this sounds scary enough, but we already have immigration laws and police who work to identify, detain, prosecute and deport dangerous illegal aliens. What will he do differently? How will he identify and FIND these people? He likes to play coy, for some reason, when pressed on the issue face-to-face with reporters, by claiming he’s only looking for the “dangerous” illegals first. Mmmm hmmm. We already have agencies, police, and policies to track down the worst criminals and offenders. But, until they commit crimes, or make themselves known, they aren’t eager to have contact with US authorities. It’s the drastic new measures that are likely to violate laws and ethics and humanitarian rights that people should be afraid of. And even if he could snap his short, fat fingers and deport every undocumented immigrant, he wouldn’t be making America safer. Immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes statistically, we know that. Rape, gun violence, gang violence, robbery and drug crimes are far more likely to involve American citizens. He will, however, displace a vital part of the workforce, and entire industries like agriculture and hospitality will suffer. It will cost enormous sums of money, and will negatively impact the economy. But it’s thirst quenching for angry voters, sadists and right-wing extremists, and that’s what it’s really about.
The US spends $50 billion a year on drug prohibition enforcement. What else do they plan to do?
His bullshit party can start by enacting the bipartisan immigration bill created early this year and bolstering the border, something our government could have done already, but didn’t, due to concerns about Trump’s feelings and the election. Imagine the hypocrisy of that - constant screaming about the “open border,” while at the same time refusing to do anything about it for fear it would remove a campaign issue. It makes me wonder if it’s best to stay out of politics altogether and focus my attention elsewhere.
This massive deportation plan seems to have little to no prospects of actually succeeding, even by the most mindlessly generous definition of "succeeding." It's cruel, involves millions of people, and would tank our economy. Might one suspect, then, that the true aim is not to actually accomplish all that deporting, but rather to provoke a reaction that would "justify" using the military to brutalize ordinary American citizens and take down resisting politicians in blue states? In other words, this could be Trump's main move if he really means to become the first American dictator instead of just being a jaw-droppingly lousy president like he was the first time around. It could create the "state of exception" so fundamental to anyone who would seize power and rule as a despot.
Basket full of adorables.
We are literally getting A Day Without A Mexican
Sheesh. I know Sir is stubborn but I sincerely doubt that it would require the entire might of the U.S. Military to deport him.
Ta, Marcie. If anyone wants to read an amazing work of historical fiction, Marge Piercy's Gone to Soldiers is brilliant and parts of it are quite frightening ... like seeing Jewish Parisian citizens getting deported. Oh, and it's not all a downer. One of the protagonists (there are several) is an amazing female pilot.
Excited for the price of groceries to come down, as that is why many people elected Trump over Kamala. Oh wait, you mean the opposite will be true? Who could EVER have seen THAT plot twist!
Elon says we’re gonna have to endure some hardships now that Trump is gonna be president. But economic hardships the reason they hate Kamala, right? And how many hardships is the world’s richest man gonna have to suffer?
I am out of town until Friday. I was worried about how the cats would do with a catsitter.
Now I am worried (a little) about whether they will love him more than they love me. And I kind of hate myself for this.
I am a idiot. Also sleep deprived seriously.
And here I thought that the trump could repurpose "THOSE PEOPLE" to rake leaves in CALIFORNIA to reduce wildfire risk! BUT NNOOOoooo!
What's Fatso going to do when President Sheinbaum tells the busloads of deportees to turn around
She already said she could deport an equal number of USAmericans.
The Mexican government can close their borders too. They don't have to accept everyone that President Depends sends to them
Mexico has a lady president, and I bet she hates Trump’s guts.
Those hippies at (checks notes) The Financial Times have some thoughts on forming a government to soothe Trump's grudges.
https://www.ft.com/content/eb305c43-03c6-4cc9-9053-f0670fac8c73
Why are you posting a link that has a pay wall. Just give us what they're proposing!
Oops! It wasn’t paywalled for me, sorry. I don’t subscribe. I should have saved some as text.
I expect Trump will try to bypass the “we’re not actually at war” issue by saying the act of migrants entering the US without visas itself constitutes an act of war. (On ourselves and our freedums, the usual nonsense.) Ergo, all migrants are enemy combatants.
My concern is finding the people near me who are planning a “The hell you are” counter to this unconstitutional gambit. Because obviously the answer is no.
Edited to add: I also expect that if Trump’s people do start deporting people en masse, they will quickly determine that building camps is too time consuming and expensive. I hate this, but I would expect the mass deportations to simply become mass executions.
The private prison companies will line up to build camps - they've already done so at least twice in the past 10 years.
Regarding niceties such as courts & judges, the govt already has what I call bunker courts of judges who just hear cases via internet all day, every day.
Throw up some camps in horrific red states far from family connections, further rig an already rigged system with even more remote hearings & immigrants will start giving up & 'accepting' deportations.
I've been practicing immigration defense for 20+ years.
thank you for your service
Kind of you to say - I added it at the end bc I've had a perhaps unsurprising number of commenters (mostly elsewhere) try to school me on immigration law.
They got their law degrees from Trump University to go along with their degrees in medicine from U. Tube
You know when I said this months ago I was accused of catastrophe porn (not by you, obvs). Mango Mussolini & dollar store Goebbels wanted to launch drone strikes on migrant caravans, ffs.