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Marycat2021's avatar

And those batshit folks out there who blame Joe Biden for the pandemic and are still raging over the 2020 shutdown (blaming the commie Anthony Fauci), and when Dear Leader got covid, he did a Jesus Christ/Elvis impression and rode around in an SUV waving to the crowds of idiots outside the hospital. These same batshit people still rage about having to wear masks and socially distance from each other. My point is, Trump is never blamed or held accountable for anything, and when we see Great Depression II from his boneheaded "presidency," they'll blame Biden because the Grifter in Chief says it's a Biden economy if it's bad, and a Trump economy if it's good.

Kamala Harris' mistake was in not taking a stance against the Gaza war and in the idea that she should portray herself as Biden II. Trump succeeded, with the help of the media and Biden's own unwillingness to tout the successes of his governance (especially the recovery of the post-covid economy) and his reticence in speaking directly to the American people. And being a woman of color sure didn't help.

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Lois Gallagher's avatar

Spite *is* deeply motivating.

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RichieRich ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ's avatar

๐Ÿ’ธ๐Ÿคก๐Ÿ˜Ž

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mark's avatar

The article makes a point but feels like it's saying the only solution is to kills these people.

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John Popelish's avatar

I just realized an example of MAGA mindset, in myself. I don't mind, so much, that my IRA lost value, if I see that TSLA stock price dropped, also.

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John Popelish's avatar

The most important word in this article is "spite".

We need to get really creative in dealing with and transforming spite.

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WTAF's avatar

๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿคฉ

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Fog of Jen's avatar

They'd rather their own children die of preventable diseases than let the "libs" win. I mean.

Do we need ANY further proof that /we cannot reach these people. Not now anyway. Maybe not ever. They are a lost cause. Maybe we should stop pretending we can totally win them if only we focus on This Magic Issue and, you know, give up everything else.

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Marycat2021's avatar

Besides, Trump's strength as a cult leader is in his ability to successfully blame others for his own failures. Spite, blame and retribution are his motivational speech, and those things resonate with people who have already eagerly devoured the diet of Trump rallies and rage posts on social media for the last 10 years.

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nick kelly's avatar

I just hope my order from Real Doll doesn't get caught up in this tariff war. With the optional internal skeleton she's 11K! I don't need 30 dolls under the tree.. just her.

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Zyxomma's avatar

Ta, Robyn. They're trying to break us. We must not permit it.

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Goonemeritus's avatar

I guess I thought Covid killed off a bigger number of them.

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GrannysKnitting's avatar

so we need to answer their spite with indifference - and maybe pretend that they are the ones affected, not us

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The_Mad_Catter_'s avatar

One YouTube Pundit that is really thorough and explains the news with appropriate outrage is Kyle Kulinski of The Secular Talk. He estimates the True Trumpers - are only at 26% based on a Fox News Poll that showed 26% of the population were Pro-Invasion of Greenland. Invasion of Greenland is a nutjob position.

This extreme austerity, ignorance about how economy works and mean-mindedness (including racism, sexism and xenophobia) comes from these nutjobs. Because they are often Biblethumpers - they have the megaphone of the churches & seem much more influential than they are. What is happening is young people are leaving their world in droves.

It is important to know they are lost in the sauce. We shouldn't even bother trying to figure them out or convince them their support of Trump is misguided. They are choosing a dying way of life that 75% is against. Focus on a positive future of everybody having a better life - better wages, affordable access to health care and higher education, lower cost of living especially for housing, etc. And of course getting rid of the rot of corruption in our govt.

The majority needs to wholeheartedly reject Trumps regime - and not focus on the true minority of idiots who blindly support it. We know they will complain about whatever the Dems do - and be willing to accept this without catering to their irrationality.

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Marycat2021's avatar

OK, so why did he win the 2024 election with both electoral and popular votes?

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The_Mad_Catter_'s avatar

Many reasons - NONE of them good - Low info voters who followed Pro-Corporate media that soft-pedaled Trump's criminality and normalized him while Dems flubbed up messaging around the positive outcomes of Biden's Presidency ; voter suppression - 3.5 million votes in swing states of Dem and/or Black voters in Swing States - See Doc - Vigilantes, Inc; Biden's failure to deal w/ Gaza Genocide - lost him progressive voters and Jewish voters; Evidence of Voter Tabulation manipulation in Swing States - See ElectionTruthAlliance.org; Racism, Sexism and Xenophobia - in voting public; Joe Biden NOT stepping down in time to give Kamala or any other Dems time to primary and set up a proper campaign against Trump; Trump giving false promises to a gullible public wanting more relief from inflation -

caused many to vote for Trump, sit out election or vote 3rd party.

I never wanted Biden to be the Democratic President - I always felt he was too old school and concialatory toward Trump and MAGA. A proper leader of US would have made sure that Donald, an insurrectionist, someone who would have been locked up for espionage - had he been anyone else (boxes of classified docs in his MaraLago bathroom FFS) - was charged and imprisoned - so that he had ZERO chance to run again!

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The_Mad_Catter_'s avatar

Also anyone who supports Trump and his administration - is acting more like a Pharisee than a Christian. Matthew 7:21โ€“23 (ESV)

> โ€œNot everyone who says to me, โ€˜Lord, Lord,โ€™ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

On that day many will say to me, โ€˜Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?โ€™

And then will I declare to them, โ€˜I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.โ€™โ€

The ChrisCons who support Trump are the epitome of Demonic Wolves in Sheep's clothing - if one is at ALL familiar with Jesus's mercy toward the poor, immigrants, children, and most vulnerable. And rejection of worldly power vs. Spiritual power.

Matthew 4:8โ€“10: When Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, He refused, because the means required worshiping power over God.

Trump ONLY values the most corrupt and cruel worldly power. According to their OWN scripture, no actual Christian would put faith in such a sinful person.

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Hannah's avatar

I am not even a lib. I am a Democratic Socialist. MAGAts would probably be happy to kill me. Don't care.

My wish for today is to go back to before the world moved on.

I wouldn't change anything. I fucked up stuff, but would probably make it worse trying to fix it.

No, I want a chance to play a long game.

I want to infiltrate the Secret Service and private security with my like minded buddies for the big shootout.

I trust you get my drift.

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Wookiee Monster's avatar

The other thing to keep in mind is that theyโ€™ve been creeping eugenics into our discourse for years now. If you died of Covid itโ€™s because you were weak and no one healthy ever died of Covid. Bobby Brain Worm said it out loud.

You only have to look at Christian Health Ministries to see this in action. If youโ€™re not familiar with them, these formed using a loophole in the ACA. They present themselves like health insurance companies but with Jesus. They take your money like health insurance companies, but the moment you need them, they decide youโ€™re sick because you didnโ€™t live a proper Christian lifestyle and refuse to pay.

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The_Mad_Catter_'s avatar

Wow - sounds like a scam company that is taking Jesus's namesake in Vain. Should be the subject of a class action suit. It seems like they forgot that Jesus enjoined Christians to model their lives after Him - which would mean healing the ill, caring for the poor and vulnerable - NOT stealing people's money via a fraudulent business.

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Goonemeritus's avatar

Meanwhile Walmart shoppers are way more likely to be morbidly obese than hippy whole food shoppers.

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Wookiee Monster's avatar

MAGAts will crawl naked over hot coals and broken glass and then rub salt into their own cuts if it meant โ€œthose peopleโ€ would suffer more. Because that is what they get off on.

Itโ€™s not taxing billionaires that prevents them from supporting universal healthcare. Itโ€™s the idea that โ€œthose peopleโ€ might benefit at their expense. They view life as a zero sum game and as long asโ€those peopleโ€ are suffering more, theyโ€™re winning. But if any of โ€œthose peopleโ€ start living a good life, well, we all know how theyโ€™ll react (see: the Tulsa Massacre) because if โ€œthose peopleโ€ are doing better, it must be because theyโ€™re taking something away from us, right?

So yeah, theyโ€™ll tell little BettyLou that she should be happy with fewer Christmas presents this year because across town, Tamara and Isabella arenโ€™t getting any Christmas presents.

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james's avatar

Trump supporters are so propagandized in white supremacy and privilege, they still think Trump is going after Blacks and other marginalized groups. That oppression isnโ€™t supposed to happen to themโ€ฆbut they got caught in the crossfire. I wonโ€™t be sad when they go down in the crossfire.

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