I grew up in a time when kids were vaccinated against small pox, and in school we all lined up for our polio shots in the early 50s. Most of us had seen examples of people who survived (if you can call it that) by spending their lives in an iron lung.
Measles was not considered a danger, more of a nuisance, and I seriously never heard of anyone who had problems afterwards. I got my measles as a sophomore in high school, and mumps two years later. The fact that I survived had a lot to do with the doctor and my mother, who knew how to treat it.
I think a lot of the reason so many people managed to get through these things was knowing how to treat it, not let your kids get sicker by ignoring the signs.
One other comment about autonomy: I was born in 1954 at the tail end of the massive polio outbreak. I was not allowed to play outside in the summer or go to outdoor swimming pools because of my mother's rational fear of polio. That vaccine GAVE children autonomy and removed endless oppressive fear from their parents. I stood in a long line at a local school to get the vaccine and still remember adults with tears of joy streaming down their faces as they waited with their kids. How have we gotten so stupid?
I was in the fifth grade then, and was devastated that the public 'pool' was closed to us, and we all lined up dutifully to get our polio shots, and I don't recall a single kid in my class ever getting sick.
Stupid, ignorant, yes. Our parents knew about polio, measles, mumps, and all the other childhood illnesses out there. They knew how to treat it, when to call the doctor. I suspect that these days it never occurs to them that maybe a doctor might be of use in this stuff.
And when high ranked officials in charge of such things says it's no big deal, well, they all breathe a sigh of relief and let the kid go back to school, covered with measles spots.
“I would look at both oral polio or polio vaccine and the MMR vaccine. And you guys have probably seen this data, is that often — that the incidence of disease is going down even before the vaccine had been started.”
…but in the 60s EVERYONE got measles, mumps and rubella.
The antivaxers have spent decades telling us this.
Now they want to pretend the incidence was *declining*?
Did the people on ACIP do math and biology at school?
I was in grade school in the 60s and had friends who died or went deaf from measles. My mother had friends who lost babies to rubella. Health departments didn't think it was a small deal: we were quarantined for two weeks when my sister got mumps. This has nothing to do with math and everything to do with persuading idiots to deny reality. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." It's the only way there is to get people to vote against their own interests on an indefinite basis.
“I think also as you look at polio, we need to not be afraid to consider that we are in a different time now than we were then. Our sanitation is different."
So, it looks like he's saying that more advanced sanitation will protect the population from polio. Actually, that's the opposite of true. Back in the day, polio typically struck young kids whose lives had been too squeaky clean. Little ragamuffins who grew up near mud puddles typically gained early exposure to the virus early, which effectively vaccinated them. The Peanuts character most at risk for polio was Lucy van Pelt and certainly NOT Pig-pen. So if this clown thinks that improved sanitation will protect the population from polio, he's totally ass backwards wrong.
Fortunately we are well prepared to handle the traumatized parents and children that result from even "successful" PICU stays, thanks to our robust, free at the point of care mental health services. Err, wait... 🤦🏼♀️
You know what might be a good idea? We take a bunch of diseases, say measles, polio, the black death and inject them into ACIP chair Dr. Kirk Milhoan and see what happens. You know, for science. I'm sure the study would be fascinating.
It's pretty obvious that bigots raise their little ones to be bigots. Maybe if the bigots don't vaccinate their junior bigots-in-training and they don't make it to breeding age (to create even more bigots), the world will be a better place.
Why don’t we let Trump and his minions have a taste of one of these machines for, oh, about a month and see how they feel about it then…
I grew up in a time when kids were vaccinated against small pox, and in school we all lined up for our polio shots in the early 50s. Most of us had seen examples of people who survived (if you can call it that) by spending their lives in an iron lung.
Measles was not considered a danger, more of a nuisance, and I seriously never heard of anyone who had problems afterwards. I got my measles as a sophomore in high school, and mumps two years later. The fact that I survived had a lot to do with the doctor and my mother, who knew how to treat it.
I think a lot of the reason so many people managed to get through these things was knowing how to treat it, not let your kids get sicker by ignoring the signs.
Maybe we should force some of these antivax morons to spend a week in an iron lung. It could be a vacation for them!
Its always the ones who do not suffer a desease in their families that hold these dangerous positions.
Keep in mind that Peter Thiel thinks the optimal US population is 150M, less than half what it is now. Then this all makes sense.
One other comment about autonomy: I was born in 1954 at the tail end of the massive polio outbreak. I was not allowed to play outside in the summer or go to outdoor swimming pools because of my mother's rational fear of polio. That vaccine GAVE children autonomy and removed endless oppressive fear from their parents. I stood in a long line at a local school to get the vaccine and still remember adults with tears of joy streaming down their faces as they waited with their kids. How have we gotten so stupid?
I was in the fifth grade then, and was devastated that the public 'pool' was closed to us, and we all lined up dutifully to get our polio shots, and I don't recall a single kid in my class ever getting sick.
Stupid, ignorant, yes. Our parents knew about polio, measles, mumps, and all the other childhood illnesses out there. They knew how to treat it, when to call the doctor. I suspect that these days it never occurs to them that maybe a doctor might be of use in this stuff.
And when high ranked officials in charge of such things says it's no big deal, well, they all breathe a sigh of relief and let the kid go back to school, covered with measles spots.
All right, let's have "individual autonomy" out on the highways and take down all those authoritarian road signs!
I believe there are 50,000 tigers in captivity in the US.
Nobody was killed by a tiger last year, so why not let them all out of their cages.
“I would look at both oral polio or polio vaccine and the MMR vaccine. And you guys have probably seen this data, is that often — that the incidence of disease is going down even before the vaccine had been started.”
…but in the 60s EVERYONE got measles, mumps and rubella.
The antivaxers have spent decades telling us this.
Now they want to pretend the incidence was *declining*?
Did the people on ACIP do math and biology at school?
I was in grade school in the 60s and had friends who died or went deaf from measles. My mother had friends who lost babies to rubella. Health departments didn't think it was a small deal: we were quarantined for two weeks when my sister got mumps. This has nothing to do with math and everything to do with persuading idiots to deny reality. "We have always been at war with Eastasia." It's the only way there is to get people to vote against their own interests on an indefinite basis.
AND A GOOD DAY TO YOU, SIR!
“I think also as you look at polio, we need to not be afraid to consider that we are in a different time now than we were then. Our sanitation is different."
So, it looks like he's saying that more advanced sanitation will protect the population from polio. Actually, that's the opposite of true. Back in the day, polio typically struck young kids whose lives had been too squeaky clean. Little ragamuffins who grew up near mud puddles typically gained early exposure to the virus early, which effectively vaccinated them. The Peanuts character most at risk for polio was Lucy van Pelt and certainly NOT Pig-pen. So if this clown thinks that improved sanitation will protect the population from polio, he's totally ass backwards wrong.
Has Mitch McConnell commented on any of this?
Fortunately we are well prepared to handle the traumatized parents and children that result from even "successful" PICU stays, thanks to our robust, free at the point of care mental health services. Err, wait... 🤦🏼♀️
Here's a novel idea…
LOCK THEM UP
You know what might be a good idea? We take a bunch of diseases, say measles, polio, the black death and inject them into ACIP chair Dr. Kirk Milhoan and see what happens. You know, for science. I'm sure the study would be fascinating.
It's pretty obvious that bigots raise their little ones to be bigots. Maybe if the bigots don't vaccinate their junior bigots-in-training and they don't make it to breeding age (to create even more bigots), the world will be a better place.
See? Silver lining.
Unfortunately, viruses don't care whether or not you're a bigot.
And I wouldn't wish polio on even THEM, becasuse I cannot bring myself to be quite that heartless.
It is worth asking why MAGA science is so determined to kill magats.