It is frequently suggested that students try throwing chairs and other things at the gunman: if they bring him down, bashing his skull in (as happened to the Club Q gunman, though non-fatally) would seem like a common follow-up. I am surprised something like this hasn't happened already.
We have actually trained for that in my district, and I take it seriously. I have a baseball bat in my room (many teachers do), and when we have done lockdown drills I tell the students that I will be going at the MF first, then it's up to them once I get shot. I have some BIG kids that guy might have trouble overcoming.
Who ever approved this should be fired. Full stop.
I guarantee that if the "adults" who planned this happened to be gathered in some building and a couple of Columbine looking teens came storming in with ARs blazing blank rounds, the people behind that fake assault would be sued to oblivion.
A client recently told me her 10 year old daughter was not drinking water at school because she was afraid she would have to use the restroom before a shooting event and would not be able to get into her classroom during the lockdown. They have never had any such thing happen, there has never been any threat of any such thing happening; the active shooter drills were enough to terrify her to the point of being afraid to leave the classroom alone to use the restroom.
Also, too, as an adult I would be traumatized by this ridiculous "performance" for the purpose of demonstrating the unreliability of a witnesses memory while seeing a crime committed. Put on a little scene involving a pickpocket or a theft instead.
A few years ago, I arranged my classroom geography with a potential school shooter in mind. I have weapons (not firearms) handy in my classroom. I do not sit with my back to the door.
The shear idiocy of the people making this decision boggles the mind. As a teacher I have had multiple trainings on active shooters, how to use a tourniquet, etc. I am even more surprised that the school approved it in the first place. It reminds me a stunt pulled by local army recruiters the DAY AFTER 9/11. The team decided the ywould swoop down in Blackhawk copters and repel onto campus. The school is near a major roadway that was packed with morning commuters. 911 was flooded with calls from commuters witnessing the whole scene. Caused a lot of panic, overwhelmed emergency lines, and added to the already high stress levels from the previous day’s attacks. One would think that saying “no” (in both cases) would be a no brainer.
How in the names of all the gods and ungods did they think this was a good idea? These kids have grown up with the idea that being badly hurt or killed by a gunman is a real possibility. What happened seemed to be one of their worst fears coming true. And officials want to excuse it as an exercise on the unreliability of eyewitnesses?
Ironically, they may find the students more credible as eyewitnesses. A professor with expertise in the area of traumatic memory explained once that “[t]he neurotransmitter epinephrine … ‘codes memories into the hippocampus, and so the trauma-related experience is locked there, whereas other details kind of drift[.]’” These kids thought they might die. I’d say there’s some trauma there.
The savvier students would have known this was fake, because in a real shooting the cops would have been outside the room hiding; or would have been under the tables faster than the kids could possibly have gotten there.
That is cruel plain and simple. I worked for a bank in the 90's and in 1992 (I was 21) we were robbed at gunpoint. I remember hearing "Get down! Get down!" And watching the one walk past my window with gun drawn as I thought "Oh this is a test. They're just showing us..." then another part of my brain was "This is NOT a drill. Get down!"
I had focused so much on the one walking by I didn't notice the one who hopped the counter. I saw him take the money from the teller next to me as well as the gun he had and then he stopped behind me for what felt like an eternity. In the end, no one was hurt but it took a long time to feel safe again at work.
Fast forward to about 5 or 6 years ago and we had to do active shooter trainings at a different job. Doing that somehow brought that day from so many years ago front and center.
If one of my kids had been subjected to this they'd be hearing my mouth for a very long time.
When my sons were in high school one day a group of kids burst into their history class screaming "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" That's not really the same thing, though.
adults and college students with great success
WHAT success? Scaring the pants off them? Also, fucknuggets, college students ARE adults.
High school students are NOT,
Jesus fuck
Somebody is going to get killed during one of these.
For instance, what if a 'good guy with a gun' had been present, and decided to pro- actively take down the shooter?
Yeah. The fucking cops who enter my classroom and try this kind of shit.
It is frequently suggested that students try throwing chairs and other things at the gunman: if they bring him down, bashing his skull in (as happened to the Club Q gunman, though non-fatally) would seem like a common follow-up. I am surprised something like this hasn't happened already.
We have actually trained for that in my district, and I take it seriously. I have a baseball bat in my room (many teachers do), and when we have done lockdown drills I tell the students that I will be going at the MF first, then it's up to them once I get shot. I have some BIG kids that guy might have trouble overcoming.
Ta, Robyn. This is so many different flavors of WRONG.
Who ever approved this should be fired. Full stop.
I guarantee that if the "adults" who planned this happened to be gathered in some building and a couple of Columbine looking teens came storming in with ARs blazing blank rounds, the people behind that fake assault would be sued to oblivion.
If any of the "adults" happened to be a "good guy with a gun" as well, there would be more than "legal" oblivion.
A client recently told me her 10 year old daughter was not drinking water at school because she was afraid she would have to use the restroom before a shooting event and would not be able to get into her classroom during the lockdown. They have never had any such thing happen, there has never been any threat of any such thing happening; the active shooter drills were enough to terrify her to the point of being afraid to leave the classroom alone to use the restroom.
Also, too, as an adult I would be traumatized by this ridiculous "performance" for the purpose of demonstrating the unreliability of a witnesses memory while seeing a crime committed. Put on a little scene involving a pickpocket or a theft instead.
A few years ago, I arranged my classroom geography with a potential school shooter in mind. I have weapons (not firearms) handy in my classroom. I do not sit with my back to the door.
That's 21st century "education reform."
ACA still B, I see.
Feels like the police were looking for an excuse to play with their guns. Which is all the reason Americans need to do it.
What would our world be like without the prevalence of gun ideology? What kind of people would Americans be?
This - THIS - is fucking legal!!!
You know what isn't legal when dealing with children?
Getting a sensible grown man in drag to read a book to them.
Guns and fake killings are fine. Book-readings are the new atrocities.
You may be thinking too much for your emotional health. And mine.
The shear idiocy of the people making this decision boggles the mind. As a teacher I have had multiple trainings on active shooters, how to use a tourniquet, etc. I am even more surprised that the school approved it in the first place. It reminds me a stunt pulled by local army recruiters the DAY AFTER 9/11. The team decided the ywould swoop down in Blackhawk copters and repel onto campus. The school is near a major roadway that was packed with morning commuters. 911 was flooded with calls from commuters witnessing the whole scene. Caused a lot of panic, overwhelmed emergency lines, and added to the already high stress levels from the previous day’s attacks. One would think that saying “no” (in both cases) would be a no brainer.
Huh. Usually Army recruiters aren't so much incredibly stupid as incredibly dishonest.
yeah and all the planes and copters were grounded for a week after 9/11.
This is very weird.
Exactly ! That made it even more of a travesty. One thing remains very vivid in my memories of 9/11 is the silence.
Wow
How in the names of all the gods and ungods did they think this was a good idea? These kids have grown up with the idea that being badly hurt or killed by a gunman is a real possibility. What happened seemed to be one of their worst fears coming true. And officials want to excuse it as an exercise on the unreliability of eyewitnesses?
Ironically, they may find the students more credible as eyewitnesses. A professor with expertise in the area of traumatic memory explained once that “[t]he neurotransmitter epinephrine … ‘codes memories into the hippocampus, and so the trauma-related experience is locked there, whereas other details kind of drift[.]’” These kids thought they might die. I’d say there’s some trauma there.
If there's any justice in the world, the Burlington police department will be funding all these kids' college educations.
The savvier students would have known this was fake, because in a real shooting the cops would have been outside the room hiding; or would have been under the tables faster than the kids could possibly have gotten there.
Where did you study criminology? ;-)
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That is cruel plain and simple. I worked for a bank in the 90's and in 1992 (I was 21) we were robbed at gunpoint. I remember hearing "Get down! Get down!" And watching the one walk past my window with gun drawn as I thought "Oh this is a test. They're just showing us..." then another part of my brain was "This is NOT a drill. Get down!"
I had focused so much on the one walking by I didn't notice the one who hopped the counter. I saw him take the money from the teller next to me as well as the gun he had and then he stopped behind me for what felt like an eternity. In the end, no one was hurt but it took a long time to feel safe again at work.
Fast forward to about 5 or 6 years ago and we had to do active shooter trainings at a different job. Doing that somehow brought that day from so many years ago front and center.
If one of my kids had been subjected to this they'd be hearing my mouth for a very long time.
When my sons were in high school one day a group of kids burst into their history class screaming "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" That's not really the same thing, though.
Funny. Among teachers in my district, EVERYone expects the Spanish Inquisition.
idjits...ACAB
“I think these students will be fine with this simulation,”
Somebody's going to get a rocket...