instead of a carpet bagger like Vance, Trump should choose someone from an actual Appalachian family. Namely someone from the prestigious Barrow or Locke families.
I hear there is this fellow who works for the railroad who good at making deals. Even has a catchy slogan: “Ever onward, ever forward.”
Thank you so so much for the video of Jean Ritchie and Pete Seeger. I have always been aware of Jean Ritchie, but, for some reason, do not have any LP's of hers. I do have every LP with Pete...including every Weavers album, and I did see Pete perform solo in the 60's. Gotta get me some of Jean's music.
My late grandma, were she still here, would tell these "economic anxiety" chuds that, having survived the Great Depression as one of 9 children, if they have automobiles and washing machines, they're rich. Washboards did not start out as musical instruments, you know.
The media is married to the narrative that Vance is the Cletus Whisperer who speaks for all those strange people in rural Ohio diners that the NYT editorial board can never relate to no matter how hard they try.
More people like those above need to be highlighted to counter that narrative.
Grew up in Kentucky, spent much of my childhood in the hills and hollers of eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina, and damn, would I love to see those states go blue. I’m torn because I LOVE Mayor Secretary Pete and desperately want him to be president one day, but if Gov. Beshear can bring some Appalachian votes with him I’m all in.
My baby sister is from Smoot, WV (she's adopted, was my best friend and her family went through some hard times with 4 kids, so, we literally adopted my best childhood friend). My mom currently lives in south western VA in a place called Charlotte Courthouse. I grew up in Virginia Beach VA and in Northern Maine. Mt. Katadyn was my freaking neighbor in Maine. No matter where on the AP Trail you live, you get the literally most amazing humans you'll ever meet. Seriously. "Hillbillies" are resourceful as fuck. Bootstraps? They'll make an entire town out of the woods and grow/forage all the food they'd need. They'll feed an outsider if they looked hungry. Because it's what you do. They'll know a homemade recipe to cure your cough right quick too.
JD Vance is a fucking liar. But that's fitting because the felon he's running with is too. I hope this is the albatross Dump deserves.
So it turns out the question of "how do you pronounce 'Appalachia'" gives varied answers even among people from southern Appalachia. See the comments on https://coalfieldstocornfields.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/appalachia-the-pronunciation-matters/ --a lot of it is a pile-on against the author’s pronouncement that everyone who doesn't use the app-a-latch-a pronunciation most common in Southern Appalachia is an outsider. (Someone noted that Dolly Parton herself uses a different pronunciation.)
East Tennessee accent has "Apple aitchin'", more or less. That's Blount County (where I grew up), not Sevier, but we're neighbors and y'ain't like to be able to tell the difference.
That's the way I've always saud it, and I grew up in Oak Ridge. So this morning I was like "Wait... have I been saying it wrong all my life?" (I mean, my parents were transplants, so I could always attribute it to them.)
I think folks are forgetting that, just as there's more than one southern accent, there's more than one appalachian one. I think the "latch" pronunciation is more coal country. Our local industry was tourism, so maybe the tourons infected us.
Well. I don’t wanna be judging nobody, but he looks like a flatlander to me. Bet he never set a choker! Probably don’t even own no decent caulks.* Yeah, sure, I’ll take another hit. Thanks.
I've choked, skidded and decked logs, then processed them all into firewood. We weren't exactly loggers; we were cutting ski trails and the firewood was a happy byproduct.
I lived for 10 years in Asheville, NC, and made a lot of forays into the backwoods of Appalachia, not just NC, but WV, KY, and TN. Everyone was nice. Still a lot of racism back in the 90's and I doubt that's changed, but I'm a white dude so little direct impact. (I was a commercial truck driver, made a lot of local pickups and deliveries, and also toured around with my local friends.)
His family as he described in the book with the feuds and violence, the crazy in Florida who shot at and killed a young woman turning around in his driveway, these are outliers, not the rule.
A better book for understanding rural society is: Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild. A sociologist, she embedded in rural areas for several years trying to understand why they vote against their own interests. Part of the problem is we don't understand their interests very well.
My father in law was from Kentucky Appalachia. He had stories of family feuds and gun violence when he was a tyke, but although those were the ones he liked telling, they weren't the majority of his life there. He could also be racist, but then incredibly welcoming to other races--depending on how you struck him. His family was what they call Melungeon, tri-racial, but in practice they thought of it as different branches of the family.
One of his stories is of an outsider southerner who came to town and was talking how they needed some KKK up there because of some uppity 'yaller' woman sassed him. My father in law's uncle said, "THAT'S MY AUNT" and shot him. The sheriff ruled the death "natural causes."
The media keeps sending people out on Cletus safaris to try to understand the interests of people who, according to the value system espoused by the media, vote against their own interests.
....it seems repeatedly reducible to racism, guns, and superstition, to paraphrase Barack Obama, who had some political nous.
Here for Team Andy!! Proudly voted for him twice and would love to see him on the ticket
Ta, Robyn. I'll have to check out the TikToks when I have the time.
I believe in Georgia, they say he's from out-of-state.
instead of a carpet bagger like Vance, Trump should choose someone from an actual Appalachian family. Namely someone from the prestigious Barrow or Locke families.
I hear there is this fellow who works for the railroad who good at making deals. Even has a catchy slogan: “Ever onward, ever forward.”
What was his name?
Thank you so so much for the video of Jean Ritchie and Pete Seeger. I have always been aware of Jean Ritchie, but, for some reason, do not have any LP's of hers. I do have every LP with Pete...including every Weavers album, and I did see Pete perform solo in the 60's. Gotta get me some of Jean's music.
Thank you.
My late grandma, were she still here, would tell these "economic anxiety" chuds that, having survived the Great Depression as one of 9 children, if they have automobiles and washing machines, they're rich. Washboards did not start out as musical instruments, you know.
The media is married to the narrative that Vance is the Cletus Whisperer who speaks for all those strange people in rural Ohio diners that the NYT editorial board can never relate to no matter how hard they try.
More people like those above need to be highlighted to counter that narrative.
Grew up in Kentucky, spent much of my childhood in the hills and hollers of eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina, and damn, would I love to see those states go blue. I’m torn because I LOVE Mayor Secretary Pete and desperately want him to be president one day, but if Gov. Beshear can bring some Appalachian votes with him I’m all in.
Beau touched on this, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW44HnByv3c
My baby sister is from Smoot, WV (she's adopted, was my best friend and her family went through some hard times with 4 kids, so, we literally adopted my best childhood friend). My mom currently lives in south western VA in a place called Charlotte Courthouse. I grew up in Virginia Beach VA and in Northern Maine. Mt. Katadyn was my freaking neighbor in Maine. No matter where on the AP Trail you live, you get the literally most amazing humans you'll ever meet. Seriously. "Hillbillies" are resourceful as fuck. Bootstraps? They'll make an entire town out of the woods and grow/forage all the food they'd need. They'll feed an outsider if they looked hungry. Because it's what you do. They'll know a homemade recipe to cure your cough right quick too.
JD Vance is a fucking liar. But that's fitting because the felon he's running with is too. I hope this is the albatross Dump deserves.
So it turns out the question of "how do you pronounce 'Appalachia'" gives varied answers even among people from southern Appalachia. See the comments on https://coalfieldstocornfields.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/appalachia-the-pronunciation-matters/ --a lot of it is a pile-on against the author’s pronouncement that everyone who doesn't use the app-a-latch-a pronunciation most common in Southern Appalachia is an outsider. (Someone noted that Dolly Parton herself uses a different pronunciation.)
East Tennessee accent has "Apple aitchin'", more or less. That's Blount County (where I grew up), not Sevier, but we're neighbors and y'ain't like to be able to tell the difference.
Not that it means much, but my maternal grandfather grow up in Yellow Sulfur, now known as Kagleys Chapel. Visited once. Want to return.
That's the way I've always saud it, and I grew up in Oak Ridge. So this morning I was like "Wait... have I been saying it wrong all my life?" (I mean, my parents were transplants, so I could always attribute it to them.)
I think folks are forgetting that, just as there's more than one southern accent, there's more than one appalachian one. I think the "latch" pronunciation is more coal country. Our local industry was tourism, so maybe the tourons infected us.
He might as well just brag that he drank a can of Trump's bathwater. Maybe that would work.
Trumpain Dew, coming soon to a store near you.
BLERGHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Love Jean Ritchie!
Well. I don’t wanna be judging nobody, but he looks like a flatlander to me. Bet he never set a choker! Probably don’t even own no decent caulks.* Yeah, sure, I’ll take another hit. Thanks.
*Written in rural Oregonish, Wet Side dialect.
I've choked, skidded and decked logs, then processed them all into firewood. We weren't exactly loggers; we were cutting ski trails and the firewood was a happy byproduct.
Obviously he never set a choker; he has ten fingers.
I lived for 10 years in Asheville, NC, and made a lot of forays into the backwoods of Appalachia, not just NC, but WV, KY, and TN. Everyone was nice. Still a lot of racism back in the 90's and I doubt that's changed, but I'm a white dude so little direct impact. (I was a commercial truck driver, made a lot of local pickups and deliveries, and also toured around with my local friends.)
His family as he described in the book with the feuds and violence, the crazy in Florida who shot at and killed a young woman turning around in his driveway, these are outliers, not the rule.
A better book for understanding rural society is: Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild. A sociologist, she embedded in rural areas for several years trying to understand why they vote against their own interests. Part of the problem is we don't understand their interests very well.
My father in law was from Kentucky Appalachia. He had stories of family feuds and gun violence when he was a tyke, but although those were the ones he liked telling, they weren't the majority of his life there. He could also be racist, but then incredibly welcoming to other races--depending on how you struck him. His family was what they call Melungeon, tri-racial, but in practice they thought of it as different branches of the family.
One of his stories is of an outsider southerner who came to town and was talking how they needed some KKK up there because of some uppity 'yaller' woman sassed him. My father in law's uncle said, "THAT'S MY AUNT" and shot him. The sheriff ruled the death "natural causes."
The media keeps sending people out on Cletus safaris to try to understand the interests of people who, according to the value system espoused by the media, vote against their own interests.
....it seems repeatedly reducible to racism, guns, and superstition, to paraphrase Barack Obama, who had some political nous.
That video of Jean Ritchie is beautiful.
Off to listen to some Gillian Welch now.