"Republicans will never fix the border, because it’s their favorite issue forever." Wait. Didn't we Libs say the very same words about abortion? Oh, that's right, we did. See where that got us.
MAGAts don't care about policy or politics, they don't want immigration reform. They don't give one rusty fuck about our labor force. What they want Auschwitz.
I'm not crazy about political kabuki, but that's what President Biden is doing here. He signed an EO that's basically a reboot of the convicted felon's 2018 immigration policy. That policy was shot down in court, and this EO will be too. But it gives Old Handsome Joe leverage to push Congress into passing legislation that will enable him to create policy that migrants can live with.
Grow the fuck up. Your phony whataboutism just demonstrates you've either never read Editrix's oft-stated position on Israel/Palestine or you're a liar.
GASP! YOU MAY HAVE JUST ELECTED TRUMP WITH YOUR CRITICISM OF GOD-EMPEROR BIDEN (Blessed be his name)! GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ST. HILLARY (She who is love and light!) FOR FORGIVENESS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
The immigration "problem" has been going on for decades. There are many simple solutions, but nobody has ever wanted to do anything. There is no vote getting percentage in fixing the problem, only in exploiting it
It's infuriating. Biden is compromising with people who wouldn't vote for him if he was Christ, and pissing off people who support him because decades of comity have clouded his view. FFS, otoh, maybe he is playing 11th dimensional chess because he knows $CROTUS will vote to invalidate it and he can say, see, I tried to do it, but you assholes knocked it down.
Reading this post it really does come off like "taking a kneel" to have a sacrificial target knocked down. I am sure this should get invalidated in the courts. Again I think it's an unforced wedge grenade hit, but we'll see what happens. I think this probably doesn't hurt Biden as much as immigration is not as winning an issue for Democrats among certain populations as people like to think.
My prediction is the immigration issue is sort of baked in--people who think we need to be "much tougher" on the border are going to stick with Trump, people who disagree will stick with Biden. It'll give Biden a rhetorical point--"I tried using executive action, the court struck it down, and you assholes won't pass legislation to help"--but even there, unlikely to move the basic needle. Voters go by general feelings, not facts.
This thing has as much chance of surviving legal challenges as tfg's band of loons had in court, none. The executive branch can't make new laws with orders. That's what this thing tries to do. It's a dumb plan to start with, would cost millions and millions, and only create more confusion.
Leaving aside for the moment my disappointment in OHJB's capitulation to this garbage: Isn't it disgusting that the same conservatives who automatically defend every single war we get involved in "because it's America's job to help the world" are so fanatically unwilling to help the world by the much simpler means of just *letting people live here, look for jobs, and build lives*?
Well, at the very least they've been more selective about it since then. They certainly don't want to arm Ukraine (even though its invasion by Putin is an actual threat to the rules-based international order). But there's a pretty vocal contingent (in my area, at least) who insist it's indeed the US' job to supply the Netanyahu government with absolutely everything it asks for. (And without any of that pesky quibbling about misuse against civilians.)
BUT I DO know what Reichführer Steven Miller wants to do with "illegals" and we know Miller gets off on hurting as many people as he can and he knows Smellvis will give him a blank check.
Dad the hard core Socialist always said the Democratic apple may be half rotted but the Republican apple is 1000% rotted and you got to take a bite from one of them...
Just reading the reactions ranging from gobsmacked befuddlement to "Masterful gambit, sir!"... guys, c'mon, at the end of the day, Biden's a stubborn old creature of Washington who watches Joe effin' Scarborough every morning. Of course he's going to see "bipartisanship" as the supreme virtue, which means an only slightly less draconian immigration policy than Stephen Miller. This is who he is.
Trollin' Mackenzie is a Canadian tankie and purity pony. He has no skin in this game. And he has all the political wisdom of that sophomore in your dorm that took one semester of Poly Sci and is always spouting bullshit.
Nope, it's purity pony time. Sure Trump represents the end of democracy, but maybe people will suffer enough to finally kickstart the glorious revolution.
Trollin' Mackenzie is Canadian. He'll vote Green and then piss and moan that the Liberal Party didn't "earn his vote." Then whine about why can't a minority Liberal Party do what he demands.
Buddy, they have to actually care about winning before anything comes down to me. I can hold my nose and vote red as I've done in every election since I was 18, but it's not going to mean much if not even they give a damn about staying in power.
That’s the goal of your consistent “Biden sucks” campaign? I’m to Biden’s right, and I’d really like him to drop some of the anti-business moves, but I know he’s a Democrat so I adjust expectations.
From now on, I shall refer to you - if at all - as "Whatabout Troillin' Mackenzie." Because when you're not trolling, you're spewing whataboutisms" at us. And unlike you, we actually know the ins and outs of our political system.
Because Russia is an enemy state that seeks to assert its malevolent, anti-Western influence. Israel is an ally and is responding to heinous war crime perpetrated against its citizens.
The idea that there are millions of asylum cases in the backlog is infuriating. Those with legit cases have to wait years for regular status because of all the garbage claims that have to be processed.
That assumes there are a lot of garbage claims. Given the state of much of the world south of us, I'm not sure the proportion of garbage claims is as high as some make it out to be.
And a lot of that instability is arguably the US' own doing, given our poking around in the region from the 50s through the 90s for reasons of "anti-Communism" (i.e., deposing any popularly elected figure to the left of Ronald Reagan).
In seriousness, blame TikTok: Venezuelans and Ecuadorians are bombarded constantly with misinformation about how easy it is to get to the U.S. and to apply for asylum. It's only when they arrive that they realize how much of a bill of goods they were sold.
EDIT: There's also the whole part where Ecuador's verging on civil war.
I don't have access to any more information about these asylum claims than anyone else does. I know the right is all too happy to sell us a story of people lying on asylum claims, and I know the amount of asylum claims that ultimately get accepted isn't as low as the right's narrative would lead one to believe. So I'm suspending judgment on the validity of claims that haven't been processed yet.
Ta, Dok. I. Just. Can't.
I’m not sure that having it tossed by the courts is not part of the plan. Just sayin’.
It probably is the plan. And having asylum reaffirmed would be a good outcome.
"Republicans will never fix the border, because it’s their favorite issue forever." Wait. Didn't we Libs say the very same words about abortion? Oh, that's right, we did. See where that got us.
MAGAts don't care about policy or politics, they don't want immigration reform. They don't give one rusty fuck about our labor force. What they want Auschwitz.
I'm not crazy about political kabuki, but that's what President Biden is doing here. He signed an EO that's basically a reboot of the convicted felon's 2018 immigration policy. That policy was shot down in court, and this EO will be too. But it gives Old Handsome Joe leverage to push Congress into passing legislation that will enable him to create policy that migrants can live with.
Oh, you’re not a fan of his selling out of refugees, but NOT his inaction on Israel’s continuing genocide?
Interesting.
Grow the fuck up. Your phony whataboutism just demonstrates you've either never read Editrix's oft-stated position on Israel/Palestine or you're a liar.
“We’re not big fans.”
GASP! YOU MAY HAVE JUST ELECTED TRUMP WITH YOUR CRITICISM OF GOD-EMPEROR BIDEN (Blessed be his name)! GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ST. HILLARY (She who is love and light!) FOR FORGIVENESS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!
Yessss, we’re the cult. We have no choice but to follow the racist, criminal, rapist, fascist and self-proclaimed dictator…
Oh, wait.
The immigration "problem" has been going on for decades. There are many simple solutions, but nobody has ever wanted to do anything. There is no vote getting percentage in fixing the problem, only in exploiting it
It's infuriating. Biden is compromising with people who wouldn't vote for him if he was Christ, and pissing off people who support him because decades of comity have clouded his view. FFS, otoh, maybe he is playing 11th dimensional chess because he knows $CROTUS will vote to invalidate it and he can say, see, I tried to do it, but you assholes knocked it down.
I am voting for him and getting out the vote.
He is trying to stop fascism. I am ok with his lack of purity.
As usual, it seems as though the Dems are doing everything in their power to lose
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Reading this post it really does come off like "taking a kneel" to have a sacrificial target knocked down. I am sure this should get invalidated in the courts. Again I think it's an unforced wedge grenade hit, but we'll see what happens. I think this probably doesn't hurt Biden as much as immigration is not as winning an issue for Democrats among certain populations as people like to think.
But let's see what happens with the suit.
My prediction is the immigration issue is sort of baked in--people who think we need to be "much tougher" on the border are going to stick with Trump, people who disagree will stick with Biden. It'll give Biden a rhetorical point--"I tried using executive action, the court struck it down, and you assholes won't pass legislation to help"--but even there, unlikely to move the basic needle. Voters go by general feelings, not facts.
It’s a play for voters in swing states. If it reduces the chances for the 5th Reich by 1%, I’ll grit my teeth and accept it.
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This thing has as much chance of surviving legal challenges as tfg's band of loons had in court, none. The executive branch can't make new laws with orders. That's what this thing tries to do. It's a dumb plan to start with, would cost millions and millions, and only create more confusion.
Leaving aside for the moment my disappointment in OHJB's capitulation to this garbage: Isn't it disgusting that the same conservatives who automatically defend every single war we get involved in "because it's America's job to help the world" are so fanatically unwilling to help the world by the much simpler means of just *letting people live here, look for jobs, and build lives*?
Conservatives haven't said that since 2004.
Well, at the very least they've been more selective about it since then. They certainly don't want to arm Ukraine (even though its invasion by Putin is an actual threat to the rules-based international order). But there's a pretty vocal contingent (in my area, at least) who insist it's indeed the US' job to supply the Netanyahu government with absolutely everything it asks for. (And without any of that pesky quibbling about misuse against civilians.)
Me?
I'm not happy with this
BUT I DO know what Reichführer Steven Miller wants to do with "illegals" and we know Miller gets off on hurting as many people as he can and he knows Smellvis will give him a blank check.
Dad the hard core Socialist always said the Democratic apple may be half rotted but the Republican apple is 1000% rotted and you got to take a bite from one of them...
Just reading the reactions ranging from gobsmacked befuddlement to "Masterful gambit, sir!"... guys, c'mon, at the end of the day, Biden's a stubborn old creature of Washington who watches Joe effin' Scarborough every morning. Of course he's going to see "bipartisanship" as the supreme virtue, which means an only slightly less draconian immigration policy than Stephen Miller. This is who he is.
You've convinced me. I'm voting for Trump this fall.
A reminder to all...
Trollin' Mackenzie is a Canadian tankie and purity pony. He has no skin in this game. And he has all the political wisdom of that sophomore in your dorm that took one semester of Poly Sci and is always spouting bullshit.
Yeah, sometimes I can't help myself.
I understand. Sometimes I can't help but feed the really disingenuous trolls either.
I'm voting for Trump because, unlike Biden, he has actual convictions.
That's a rash response. It's probably more sensible to just understand who your candidate is and adjust your expectations accordingly.
Nope, it's purity pony time. Sure Trump represents the end of democracy, but maybe people will suffer enough to finally kickstart the glorious revolution.
Right, I'll add "immigration" to list of "ponies" alongside "opposing ethnic cleansing campaigns" and "a liveable planet".
Any other jettison-worthy principles? Frankly, what's left?
You could be chickenshit about it and vote West or RFK. Jr. Same effect, more moral superiority.
Trollin' Mackenzie is Canadian. He'll vote Green and then piss and moan that the Liberal Party didn't "earn his vote." Then whine about why can't a minority Liberal Party do what he demands.
Buddy, they have to actually care about winning before anything comes down to me. I can hold my nose and vote red as I've done in every election since I was 18, but it's not going to mean much if not even they give a damn about staying in power.
That’s the goal of your consistent “Biden sucks” campaign? I’m to Biden’s right, and I’d really like him to drop some of the anti-business moves, but I know he’s a Democrat so I adjust expectations.
Always has been. Spares me having to read fawning hagiography and everyone else the shock/horror of Democrats betraying them.
Me too. I thought foreign election interference was a bad thing, but does Canada really count?
Only if the RNC entertainment is Justin Bieber.
Speaking of: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2024-06-05/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-secretly-targeted-american-lawmakers-with-gaza-war-influence-campaign/0000018f-e7c8-d11f-a5cf-e7cb62af0000
From now on, I shall refer to you - if at all - as "Whatabout Troillin' Mackenzie." Because when you're not trolling, you're spewing whataboutisms" at us. And unlike you, we actually know the ins and outs of our political system.
Then this announcement shouldn't have come as a shock, nor should the story I linked above.
Foreign governments lobby Congress? Since when?
This is exactly what Russia was doing in 2016 and you all screamed bloody murder about it.
Because Russia is an enemy state that seeks to assert its malevolent, anti-Western influence. Israel is an ally and is responding to heinous war crime perpetrated against its citizens.
The idea that there are millions of asylum cases in the backlog is infuriating. Those with legit cases have to wait years for regular status because of all the garbage claims that have to be processed.
Our system is massively underresourced for what we are trying to do.
That Lankford Bill would have been pretty good start. I’d like a regularization provision.
That assumes there are a lot of garbage claims. Given the state of much of the world south of us, I'm not sure the proportion of garbage claims is as high as some make it out to be.
And a lot of that instability is arguably the US' own doing, given our poking around in the region from the 50s through the 90s for reasons of "anti-Communism" (i.e., deposing any popularly elected figure to the left of Ronald Reagan).
Yeah I agree. I think the United States has a moral obligation to take in the migrants that we caused.
The College of the Americas wasn't a private, liberal arts school?
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“Hands-on” practical tool usage
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Maduro must be “politically persecuting” the entire country.
No, but US sanctions are ... openly designed as "political persecution" tools.
I mean...
In seriousness, blame TikTok: Venezuelans and Ecuadorians are bombarded constantly with misinformation about how easy it is to get to the U.S. and to apply for asylum. It's only when they arrive that they realize how much of a bill of goods they were sold.
EDIT: There's also the whole part where Ecuador's verging on civil war.
I don't have access to any more information about these asylum claims than anyone else does. I know the right is all too happy to sell us a story of people lying on asylum claims, and I know the amount of asylum claims that ultimately get accepted isn't as low as the right's narrative would lead one to believe. So I'm suspending judgment on the validity of claims that haven't been processed yet.