Faced with attacks from the left, right, leftish, righter and center forward, Mitt Romney has spent his days in South Carolina focusing on trying to make people forget about Bain by talking about it constantly. After Sarah Palin and the rest of the world called out Romney, or at least called on him to get more specific about the alleged 100,000 jobs his work at Bain created, Romney decided to say Thursday that there was “proof” of those jobs on the websites of the companies that he didn’t bankrupt. But for the most part, the “100,000″ is being dropped from the playbook. In fact, in a matter of six days, it looks like the Romney camp has gone from saying “over a hundred thousand jobs” to “tens of thousands of jobs” to rolls-off-the-tongue “thousands of jobs.” Happy Friday to you.
This video illustrates what Talking Points Memo calls the mid-January and hopefully continual “devolution” of Mitt Romney. It shows the candidate making the 100k claim during a New Hampshire debate (which, to be fair, he did also stick to in an appearance one day ago), but then slowly and sneakily changing campaign statements to reflect his complete lack of knowledge of the actual number.
It’s the “I caught a big fish” joke come to life, as this guy points out. The positive integer now stands at a healthy but still suspect “thousands.” Today, expect that number to morph into “greater than 108 but less than 110,” and by early next week, “baker’s dozen.” [TPM]
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The only jobs Bain created were for their partners maids and nannies.
They let a little bit trickle down and the domestics are there to pick it up. Just like my son with his clothes, except that his mother and me do the picking up.
and don't forget the blowjobs. There must have been hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands created.
Damn you! I started working on a comment about that 30 minutes ago, then got sucked into work. Well this sucks. Or blows.
fucking work! too bad it's something all of us have to do EXCEPT Willard
I just wish I could find a few good hard ass-workers to help me through these dark times.
And don't forget the guys who deliver the crates of champagne Mitt doesn't drink. Maybe they even get tips.
And frankly, they are perfectly fine with that. THESE are the jobs the Job Creators are talking about. Anyone who thinks they mean factory jobs that pay 60k is dumber than Rick Perry.
Nobody is dumber than Rick Perry. I hope.
I know for a fact there are three people dumber than Perry. Dan Quayle, George W. Bush, and… wait, Dan Quayle… George W. Bush… and, okay I can't remember the other one. Oops.
And domestic servants are forbidden to unionize to boot! The best of all worlds.
And veterinarians. Mitt's horses get far better health care than you do — as well they should! Because horses are people, too, my friends.
Each of those horses costs the Romneys $100K p.a. in food, accommodation, exercise, training, servants, and health care. And they own a stable full of those beasts. Their HORSES have something 99% of Americans don't – health care, and servants.
Yeah, well … they care about the horses.
Too true. Painful, but true.
Due to the enormous wealth amassed at Bain, Romney now employs a household staff of "several".
In his several houses.
Let's not forget that he also employed over 100,000 illegal aliens to tend his gardens.
But that's when he wasn't running for office, for Pete's sake.
Doesn't matter either way. Romney needs to create hundreds of thousands more jobs EVERY MONTH to bring down the unemployment rate.
Unfair! Unfair! The business-crushing techniques Bain used in order to strip assets from companies required the local unemployment offices to add staff in order to process all the applications. Oh, oops… those would be government jobs, though,and hence not real. Sorry.
It's become the Bain of his existence.
I'm surprised nobody had already picked this low-hanging fruit. Congrats!
You went there!!
Somebody had to.
But he sure enjoyed it while he was still the King of Bain.
it's always Bain and Blame with you, isn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNfB6WfwM4&ob...
History's greatest Monster.
Michael Stipe?
So easy to play the Bain Game, eh?
But what matters is the net numbers of jobs created; once the number of jobs Bain destroyed is taken account Mitt's real job creation level is probably in the negative thousands.
Probably? Decidedly!
It was a typo.
Bane didn't "create" 100,000 jobs. The correct figure was 100.000.
Meanwhile, has anyone else noticed the right wing nutz like Sheer InSannity always say the Federal government can't accomplish anything, but St. Ronnie Reagaon created millions of jobs.
Whiskey Tango Foxtwat?
All the jerbs that Raygun created were with military contractors. On planet GOP, those count as real jobs.
Real jobs that produce absolutely useless items that the government supports by spending billions of dollars on said worthless items. As opposed to real jobs that might produce something like schools or food or something. Sigh.
I'd like to see an add by the DNC that juxtaposes Hannity saying how government can't create jobs and Mitten's victory speech in New Hampshire, where he promised that he'd create more jobs than Obama. Then big letters at the end that say: The GOP, confused about government and about Jobs. Followed by Obama holding a bald eagle with an American flag in the background.
If they promised to run that ad, I'd be willing to make a significant donation the next time they call me, begging for money again.
I want to see an ad of John Boehner saying we need to extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the jerb creators, followed up with Perry, Gingrich, and Bible Spice railing against vulture capitalists.
Seems to me that "vulture vs. eagle" ought to play well.
The reverse the trick and use commas for periods when they're adding up the profits they use to figure their bonuses.
Jukes:
There is certainly a difference between venture capital and vulture capital.
When Bane managed to eliminate company pension funds yet magically create huge fees for themselves, that's vulture capitalism.
Hey, we know for a fact he employed a couple of illegal Messicans!
Six more days and we'll find out that his thousands of jobs are negative.
Six more and he'll claim, "Bain is a powerful drug."
Do not operate machinery while using Bain. Serious side effects have been reported, including insomnia, redness, death and death and death.
If employment lasts more than four hours, flip company before payday.
The reign of Bain falls mainly on Mitt's hair helmet.
By jove, I think you've got it!
Science might be disputable, but math is solid.
But math is hard!
They'll start teaching "Math Theory" to the second graders next year. Math will be absolutely fluid by 2016.
I believe he will eventually have to say "I helped cremate 100,000 jobs."
Mostly for blah people.
And the very, very urbans, also too.
Here….let me preview the next 12 months for everyone:
-Conservative establishment shuts up about how terrible Romney is.
-Romney continues winning primaries with pluralities.
-Romney gets nomination and picks rightwing nutjob as VP.
-Unemployment drops to below where it was when Obama took office.
-Everyone hates Romney in polls.
-Conservative voters mostly stay home on election day, everyone else turns out.
-Obama wins landslide.
-Conservatives bitch about how Romney wasn't conservative enough to win.
-Obama gives kick-ass second inaugural.
Wake me up when it's over.
Thanks for that your synopsis has comforted me enough to stop panic drinking (well at least until I leave work).
Or
-Republicans cheat, whatever ratfucker is left standing after this hideous primary wins. Wonkateers move en' masse anywhere but here.
*updates passport*
*books one-way plane ticket to Costa Rica*
and if you drink all the liquor in Costa Rica, ain't nobody's business but your own.
Needs moar Democrat election fraud.
ACORN LIBEL!
i could have sex with that preview.
Limeylizzie is a bad influence.
Depends on yer definition of "bad."
It's called glory hole politics.
They already tried a woman, all of the other campaigners seem to hate him, I think he's going to take Marco Rubio. And flame out. Or Chris Christie…but that would a pretty fucking dirty north east coast ticket.
Rubio is not going to be made the sacrificial lamb for Mitt Romney. Rove will not let him. Rubio is going to run in 2016 in order to avoid a shellacking in his next senate race. Trust me, Rubio wouldn't even get the Hispanic vote in his own state as things stand right now. Plus, upon closer scrutiny, Rubio has more skeletons in his closet than any Republican currently running.
Rubio's got something in his closet, and it's shaped like Marco Rubio.
The New Yorker too fair to FOX by half profile of Marco's tiff with Univision was a hoot. & he already has his Billy Carter/Neil Bush/Roger Clinton in the person of his brother-in-law.
Meanwhile, Barack's half Asian half-sister is, unsurprisingly, totally normal.
Floridians don't like him? Hm. Then screw it, go with Jan Brewer. Just no HD cameras.
Top five:
Nikki Haley
Sam Brownback
John Kasich
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Scott Walker. He'll probably need the work by then.
But can he serve from prison?
He should toss the recall contest and take that cushy lobbyist/consulting gig, ASAP.
Not probably; the campaign to recall Snott Walker has THREE TIMES the signatures they needed. He's toast.
I'm reminded of Jon Lovitz as Dukakis in a debate with Bush 1 on SNL: "I can't believe I'm losing to this guy."
I hope what you say is true, but at this point we can't even imagine how horrible the campaign against Obama will be.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/4117/saturday-night-liv...
I couldn't find the entire skit…
Which. Was. Brilliant.
Please, please, please … somebody go do the math, do the counting, and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mittens and Bain produced a negative number of jobs for American workers.
He's created a few jobs in the Cayman Islands, where people have to count all that money he's stashing. He needs to release those tax records.
Oh, he will Barb, as soon as Barry releases his birf certificate. And his grades, cuz, y'know, BLAH.
I think that a big reason Mitt isn't releasing the tax returns is that he is concerned that the LDS will figure out that he hasn't been tithing properly. It's fairly easy to find loopholes in the tax code compared to finding loopholes in the tithe.
The original flat tax.
Romney should pull an Al Gore exageration and say he invented sports shoes or office supplies. Or Angry Birds.
Talking jobs and numbers is just going to get everyone confused.
With all of the different information sources available using "the google" you are still spouting this nonsense. Al Gore DID NOT say that he invented the internet, a lie that has been debunked a kazillion times.
Why is Mittens letting liberal math bias oppress his free speech?
Science, facts … and now math? Clearly there's a vast consipiracy against the GOP.
I miss the old days of Wonkette when Republican candidates and the word "jobs" were only used in conjunction with the word "blow."
He can certainly claim to have created at LEAST one high paying job (for himself).
He must also have created jobs for his five sons since they're clearly too busy to fight in Republican wars.
Truthfully, he added one new Mexican gardener.
Figures don't lie, but liars figure.
Are you gonna believe me, or your lyin' eyes?!
Mittens wants to compare his job creation record to Obama's? OK–since Romney is including jobs that were created long after he left Bain, Obama gets to take credit for jobs that get created five years from now. FTW!
For fuck's sake, keep this guy away from the loaves and fishes or we'll all starve.
Not to worry. Once he's done outsourcing to Chinese bakeries and industrial fish farms (and gotten rid of job-killing regulations on lead and mercury levels), we'll have lots and lots of cheap bread and fish.
win
You have to slash jerbs in order to create jerbs, you idiots.
"There are exactly 57 card-carrying jobs that Bain Capital has created at this time!"
Gah! Where was I an hour ago?
"There are exactly 57 jobs in the Defense Department at this time."
American Eagle just hired Bain to "help" with their bankruptcy reorganization. Bain will get over $500,000 per month. Outrageous.
If you need help going bankrupt, that's a pretty good way to go about it.
My best bud has almost 30 years with AA. I feel for him. Sucks to work all your life for a company and the rug just flys out from under ya.
But at least he's sober! (or is that the wrong AA?)
Well, after 6 pm, we are not that sober, but…American Airlines.
That sucks, dude. I had no idea they were that old. Did he work for them when they made good clothes? Their stuff now seems to be gap-light stuff made in Indonesia.
Like how Aeropostale was kinda classy when you were in high school, but now makes you gag on sight.
Dude, Aeropostale? Hot Topic or GTFO.
Forever 21, brah.
What do you expect from a guy whose father was blah?
He actually transformed 100,000 middle-class jobs into a few thousand service industry jobs.
THIS. Props.
As if a full-time gig at Subway equated to a journeyman-level manufacturing job…
Sheesh.
Now that he has backtracked on this how long will it be before he starts taking about his biological father?
Each individual blowjob and handjob given to Bain executives by a hooker counts as a job created.
Sploosh!
Splooge.
So he's Senator Iselin from The Manchurian Candidate, good to know.
Endorsement from Agent Orange Mr. Speaker Boner, the Munchkin Candidate, in 3, 2, 1…
Y'mean Oompah-Loompah Candidate, no?
Si
I have here in my hand the names of thousands, uh…hundreds, ummm….dozens of card carrying members of the Bain Capital fan club.
Four.
There's four left.
So next week it will be "tens of jobs"?
Then eventually "negative GaBaTrazillions of jobs"?
Maybe we'll get to hear him say "Creative Destruction" again. That makes everything bad seem good, because, 'Creative'!
"There's my maid, my gardener, and … umm … nope. Sorry."
You know I’m saying this satirically, but I truly do believe that Mitt Romney and his railroad working father have caught thousands of trout in the Great Salt Lake.
OT but great bar bet. Bet someone you can do between 2 and 300 situps in less than three minutes. When your
suckerdrinking buddy takes you up on it, get on the floor (make a show of it) and do 3 situps.Collect your money.
That certainly is between 2 and 300 situps! Well played.
If a hen and a half, lay an egg and a half, in a day and a half, how may eggs does it take to make a 6-egg omelet?
All of them, Katie.
100,000.
Did anyone beat those eggs?
Of course not. Risk the wrath of PETA?
Hey, that is great. Could work for Romney. I created between 2 and 100,000 jobs. Okay, maybe I didn't think this through.
"1, 2, 3…infinity!"
George Gamow?
…and the Hottentots.
Mitt suffers from a false, self-inflated sense of his own endowment. America is the cruel evil bitch pointing and laughing at it.
It can't be too surprising to realize that "I created 100,000 jobs" and "I enjoy firing people" are incompatible, really.
Unless Romney enjoyed firing people so much that he had to keep creating more jobs just to fire the people doing them.
Like Lenny Bruce's Mr Masked Man needing to create trouble because he'd made everyone so happy that the addictive "Thank You!"s disappeared. Romney kept finding himself with the exact inverse problem: what do you do when you run out of people who will say to you "What? But I've worked here all my life. I'm 60, what will I do?" to you, and you start to miss it.
Something tells me Romney has a single street-wise butler that he angrily "fires" whenever said butler does something extra whacky. By the next morning he's back on the staff and no one mentions a thing. Zany!
My eyes read your comment too quickly and I got "I enjoy fisting people" instead of firing. I guess they're not that much different.
Dissonance.
Actually, that lie wasn't nearly as outrageous as his claim that his dog supposedly "loved" going into the crate Mitt strapped on top of his station wagon for the dog to ride in on a 12-hour drive from Massachusetts to Canada. Any dog lover would know that it is physically impossible for a dog to climb on top of a station wagon and go into a dog kennel on its own volition.
Keep in mind this is the same dog that was so terrified on the journey that it pooped diarrhea all over the station wagon while Mitt was driving. Mitt's response: pull into a gas station and hose off the wagon, the crate and the dog – with the dog still in the crate – and then keep on driving. What a fucking jerk.
Saying his dog "loved" that experience shows that Mitt is a habitual liar. He should have said "I was desperate, I didn't have any room, and it was a stupid idea that I regret." But no: "the dog loved it." Fucker.
Well, see, the meaning of "loved" is subject to interpretation, just like the meaning of "100,000".
Morally weak!
Is that the same as "total fucking asshole"?
I hope the ghost of his long dead dog haunts all of his fucking mansions and hotels. Sort of paranormal activity style, but not so gentle. I'd pay twenty bucks to see that movie.
He also could have said: "I'm more of a cat person."
He said that the create was "airtight" Mitt, the dog would have suffocated if this were true.
And if it wasn't, the poor thing could have frozen cause it was wet.
Well, at least he didn't brag about the job he created for a veterinary psychologist.
Well, I would have put all the Kids in the air-tight box on the roof. But that's just me.
"He should have said "I was desperate, I didn't have any room, and it was a stupid idea that I regret." But no: "the dog loved it." Fucker."
He could've squashed it by saying that, but instead it's going haunt him like that wild scream on stage haunted Howard Dean.
These are the same assholes who claim to "love" their children when they whip their bodies black with a belt buckle.
I hear the laid-off workers at American Pad loved having all that free time handed to them.
Like father, like son: Next TV interview, he'll claim to have been "Bain-washed" by the song and dance from his partners, and announce that he will now be providing complimentary "Hot Hands" handwarmer packets to all #OWS protestors.
Bainwashed. Damn, you must be as old as I am.
"Math is hard!" *
* Some recalled Talking Barbie Doll
I always felt they should have kept that saying on the talking Barbie Doll's tape. Just so long as they made sure the next time the girl pulled the string, Barbie said. "I mean, really hard.I spent almost all Saturday afternoon finishing that problem on the Galois group for cyclotomic fields. I nearly couldn't find the trick you need to factor the 7th degree irreducible polynomial over Q. Oh – and when you do that one remember you need a bit of finesse to find the Galois group. It's not just technique in this case. The inverse of one of the roots is in its extension field, so the splitting field is just order five. And don't even mention the Nonlinear Partial Differential Equations problemset. What a killer!"
Awesome. Is any of that stuff real? I quit after calculus.
Yep. 100% made-up but could-have-been-real dialogue using 100% real terminology talking about 100% real things. (Or at least: as real as mathematical objects ever are.)(Though actually as far as problems that require determining Galois groups goes, the Galois groups for cyclotomic extensions are generally pretty straightforward, compared to other types of extension. I just thought “cyclotomic” sounded cool there. )—
10 grand says he meant to say "decimated" instead of "created"–just a software bug, could happen to any rob…er, human person.
Well, far be it for me to point out that Romney is Mexican, so I think he will bargain down even lower, say one peso for every person thrown on the Bain Vulture Capital garbage pile…
But have you all taken into consideration the hundreds of thousands of slave labor jobs for Chinese prisoners that Bain created, so they could afford the bullets for their own executions?
Bain would do the same in America, but the damn Unions get in the way!
Hey, get your terminology right, they are not "prisoners," they are "organ donors."
They signed a thing saying it was voluntary!
Just like all those poor plasticized souls in the "BODIES" exhibit.
Those are plasticized bodies. Mitt's the guy with the plasticized soul.
The only thing worse for Romney would be if it turned out he was part Belgian.
mmmm, waffles
Or that his parents bought him (and his twin brother) at a seaside sandal shop in Aruba.
I can't think of any more offensive name for him than "Belgian."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iXvhcw07do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=t...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-3dfQK7w4&fe...
Today, expect that number to morph into “greater than 108 but less than 110,” and by early next week, “baker’s dozen.”
Pfft. Eventually his talking point will be, "I created one job. My own."
But he's unemployed! And running for President is just an "interview."
That's the oly mothafuckin job that matters in the end, in repub-land.
"The Incredible Shrinking Mitt"
SHRINKAGE!!!!
Hey, as long as Mitt and his people at Bain made millions no matter what happened to the company, does anyone really care about middle class people feeding their families?
I'm just not sure how I feel now that Sarah Palin has joined OWS.
Maybe she is just doing it because she saw some nice young basket ball players she wanted to get close to?
Poor Tawd, she really can't go back now.
Maybe Bristol has a black father like Mittens?
Is Romney being judged by the standards of a robot doing a passable job at pretending to be human, or judged by the standards of a human doing a terrible job at acting like a normal person?
We should be a little less hard on the robot, who really is doing a pretty good job at almost appearing human, everybody.
What we really need is a Bland Runner to track this replicant down, give him the Voight-Kampff test and be done with it.
My Roomba does a better job at appearing human.
If Mittens is a robot, can we at least program him with the Three Laws?
I. A robot must not harm a human, or, through inaction, allow a human to come to harm.
II. A robot must follow instructions, except where that would conflict with the First Law.
III. A robot must protect its own existence, except where that would conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Yes!! What could possibly go wrong!?
I think you should add a fourth law that somehow keeps Sharia Law from ever being used in the first three. I, RIGHTBOT
Will the venomous, obese, imbeciles care? Thousands is still more than they can count to, even with their shoes off.
Wait a second, Sarah Palin called Mitt out on something and actually made sense? I'm scared, someone hold me.
"I was in the pool! I was in the pool!"
Like a frightened turtle.
That would be the WHITES ONLY pool?
Sticking up for the Whites Rights To Be Racist Assholes…
Romney/Bain 2012!
"At Bain Capital, we created
over a hundred thousanduh,tens of thousands, uhh…thousands, uh, well,numerous, oh, okay,several… ""*Look!* Over there! Scary Iranians!!"
So apparently four convicted murderers pardoned by Haley Barbour have gone missing…..
Romney / Barbour 2012 !!!
He should just brag about the size of his wang like a normal guy.
"I'm THE MAN for the job. I've got 100,000 balls!"
"Well, I've got thousands of balls!"
"I've got hundreds of balls!"
"I've got a dozen balls!"
"I've got more than two balls!"
"I've got two balls!"
"I've got one good ball…the other one's shriveled up…"
My dick is 15 inches long!
12 inches long!
9 inches long!
6 inches..
3 inches…
1 inch…
it's charity work touching it, ok?
is newt picking his nose at .17?
Janis Ian Libel!
[Oh, there's a decimal. Now I understand. Nevermind]
Hundreds of thousands of jobs in Malaysia, China, India…
You'd think with all his money and CEO skilz he'd be better at counting.
Robber barons are people too, you know.
If he had even an emoticon of shame, he would not lie to us this way.
Just goes to show that Willard is ready to piss on anybody to be prez.
while i'm certainly not sorry mitt is having this …um dialogue… right now, i think the under discussed issue here is the idea of 'business people being in government.'
our most recent example is george w. bush for fuck's sake.
yet no one questions the received wisdom that a businessman in the white house would be the end to all our problems.
whatever you think of romney (me? not much) his qualifications for the office are his time as governor of MA, not running bain.
Yeah, but MA is a haven for gay married socialist liberal elitist terrorists, so it doesn't count. I remember when they used "senator from Massachusetts" as a put down for Kerry.
And I remember when Kerry got no end of shit from Republicans for being "so-o-o-o rich," even though it was mostly money his wife inherited from a Republican. More "I was against it until I was for it" from the conservatards.
In the end, you would think that the Mittbot's CPU could do simple calculations like this. They must have outsourced its production.
Mitt just needs to put up a billboard in a shuttered factory parking lot that say "Governor Mitt Romney – Creating Jobs For Wisconson" and this whole mess will be cleared up immediately.
Well, when you're engaged in a drug-fueled week long orgy with Grover Norquest and Corporate Tax Rates, who can remember the details of how many jobs you've destroyed?
You people should be ashamed. These topics should only be discussed in a quiet room, not a loud comment section. You're upsetting my butler.
Quit picking on him! Whether you've given 10 or 100 'jobs, it has to feel like 100,000 when your jaw starts locking up and you can no longer feel your tongue.
Leave romneybot 2000 alooone!
May I just go on record as saying that Staples introduced low-quality office supplies as "all you can get, America", just like Home Depot did for hardware. Burned by the suck!
The first (and only) time Bruce Springsteen played at the Staples Center in LA he said, "I'm so honored to be playing here in a building named for the great Pa Staples." He hated it and went back to the Memorial Sports Arena after that.
I live in LA; can't say I'm 'proud' of the Staples Center. Used to see Bruce play at the Cellar Door in DC when I was at Georgetown, years later here @ the SA when I was at UCLA. Cheers!
One thing that is admirable about Romney: the transparency with which he panders to the teabaggers and wingnuts.
Speaking of entitled douchebags, if John Edwards dies, will Dave Matthews play the funeral?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45983532/ns/us_news/?...
Somehow it's very hard to feel bad for him.
Instant Karma's gonna get ya!
Only a matter of time before Mitt's campaign starts to go negative.
But, how accurate is a stomped snatch?
Mitt is boring. Anyone feel like shitting on the Kansas GOP for a while? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/13/40391...
Lying scum sucking mormon bastard
I think I now understand "trickle down" economics, let me wipe that shit from chin.
I was kind of neutral about Mitt until I learned more about him during this (Ha, ha) campaign. Now I think he is an unprincipled dick. I guess it's like my dad used to say about my ex: "To know Mitt is to hate him". No, she wasn't named Mitt and she wasn't a him; I just didn't want to put her name out there. She knows who she is.
Not sure which is more chuckalicious. Bible Spice joining the anti-capitalism pig pile against Mitt Romney, or hearing Rush Limbaugh crying over the fact that Republiklans are now starting to repeat what the rest of America has been saying for over 30 years.
There were so many jerbs created that we lost count. There were 100,000 in China alone.
Jeez. Mitt's really not cut out for being a republican. when confronted with truth to your previous bullshit, Never Never Never cop to it as bullshit or back down from your previous bullshit claim.
Mitt should have responded, "not 100,000 jobs. 200,000 jobs. 200,000 'high-paying, bad-ass, drive your kids to work, eat dinner with your family, retire at 65 to own your own vineyard as a hobby, life-affirming' jobs."
stupid fucking merman.
the so-called proof being? what he said??
That what he gets for only talking about numbers in his quiet room.
Interesting bit of Mormon hoodoo: Lying for the Lord.
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