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alwayspunkindrublic's avatar

Yeah, people were outraged by it, and I can see why. OTOH, I think it was a sincere attempt by CW to come to grips with the ugly truth that the entire colonial economy of the place was based on slavery. There's no easy way to do this for tourists.

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Edward-Isaac Dovere, a staff reporter for The Atlantic, tweeted Thursday that he overheard a phone conversation between Gaetz and Trump, whom he said called the Florida Republican from Hanoi to discuss the Cohen testimony and apparent threat.

“I was happy to do it for you,” Gaetz said, according to Dovere. “You just keep killing it.”

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Petunia Cat's avatar

Yeah but they’re not really a force in any of this.

sarafina's avatar

Yeah, what do you care? I think this ‘conflict’ is a waste of time and energy, but I do have skin in the game. You seem to just be stirring the shit.

A Tad  Sick of the Stench's avatar

I was checking to see if I understood right, from my quick Google search. I got it backwards. Thank you.

"Ignorance is stunning" seems over the top. I'm not with that or any church, any more. Machinations over church policy, in the face of spreading evil, are hard for me to get into. Just like such machinations seemed to me, 50 years ago. But that's just my simple opinion.

sarafina's avatar

Your ignorance is stunning. The General Conference considered two (2) options to deal with this issue. The One Church option would have allowed individual churches to decide for themseles if marriage equality and ordination of gays and lesbians was accepted. The other was the Traditional option, which passed (but only with 53 or 54% of the vote) where nothing changed. I am confident this issue will change within my lifetime.

After all, the UMC is now at odds with a decision of the Supreme Court of the U.S.

Render unto Caesar, indeed.

A Tad  Sick of the Stench's avatar

Didn't know about One Church. But Google is with us. So the United Methodists are looking for a sort of 'common denominator' that can be their standard worldwide? Meaning the One Church position has to adjust to remaining homophobia in Africa too?

This is the kind of one-size-fits-all doctrine that just floored me, to the degree I understood it, when I were a teen.

Somewhere, Jesus must have said 'but the greatest of these is discipline and homogeneity.' Or some such words. Hmm.

rtpoeman's avatar

If this is The Matrix, we need a system reboot.

Invisible Bunyip's avatar

Man, that's the hard road. Some many people don't understand that just punching an annoying asshole is weakness, not strength.

Ethereal Fairy Natalie's avatar

That is why the towel is so important.

Invisible Bunyip's avatar

I'd swear that Trump's seat is just an inch lower.

Invisible Bunyip's avatar

I was thinking it would be really interesting to have all the students go into a field and actually pick a certain amount of cotton (like a small bag). Then show them what amount was expected for a day's work, while their fingers still sting from ten minutes.

Invisible Bunyip's avatar

That cat startles and sits up as if somebody just told him his butthole was on world-wide television. XD

VandeGraf's avatar

Trump is finding out the hardway (disappointed that he cannot be bright and shiney) what South Koreans are beginning to understand. But, in the south of the Korean Peninsula hope-- as it is said-- springs eternal, and every new leader will try his damnedest to reconcile the two countries. Eventually they all learn that the Kims have to be overthrown from inside, and the military command structure must be disrupted before substantive change is even possible.