As a non-lawyer, I really can’t square the logic of how states can regulate what can be shipped through the USPS. The Constitution mandates that the federal government establish a postal service. It doesn’t give states any authority over it. So, federal rules should overrule the states in this regard.
And I live in a state that used to prohibit out of state shipments of wine through the mail. It was always bullshit. Our LCB was more concerned about losing the tax revenue than people drinking too much. Now that they can collect sales tax on out of state purchases, they have no problem with it.
But I’m not a genius legal scholar like Clarence Thomas.
They could run it through a pharmacy who orders the pills in bulk and then sends them to Texas via some third party.
There’s going to be a black market in abortion pills, no matter what form it takes. Just like there’s currently a black market for prescription opioids.
IAAL, but I’m also a woman who lives in Texas, so trust that I’m not just looking at these issues like a law school hypothetical. I’ve spent a lot of time analyzing SB4 (limiting medication abortions) and SB8 (the 6 wk ban/bounty system), because both laws have immediate, real-world consequences for women here.
I 100% agree these laws are unconstitutional and should be stayed from taking effect and ultimately overturned. Unfortunately, the 5th Circuit appellate court is run by loons who keep overturning injunctions issued by district courts, and a 5-4 SCOTUS majority is upholding those decisions.
The real issue is that - because of the SCOTUS majority - doctors, abortion pill manufacturers, and others are not willing to take on the potential civil or criminal liability for providing/assisting with pre-viability abortions, in contravention with the 6 & 7 weeks bans imposed by Texas law. I can’t say that I blame them, but it means GQP politicians in Texas are getting exactly what they want, which is bullying providers et al. Into compliance with their unconstitutionally restrictive laws.
And anything else I say will get me ban-hammered, so I’ll leave it at that.
Per my other response, the real issue is that providers won’t want to ship these pills from out-of-state, because of the risk of criminal liability. Sure, it’s unlikely the violation of SB4 will be noticed - particularly if the shipper is clever enough about how the packages look. However, it only takes one postal inspector who is pro-forced birth to report the shipper, and they’re fucked.
For the person with an unwanted pregnancy, absolutely they’re going to try to find a way.
I just don’t know whether doctors are willing to prescribe the medications, or manufacturers are willing to ship the medications, and risk being in violation of Texas law.
It’s so damned frustrating that SB4 and SB8 were even allowed to go into effect, and it’s only because we have 5 RWNJ partisan hacks on SCOTUS. Even Roberts isn’t going along with it because he still has some measure of concern for the Court’s legitimacy, but the other 5 just don’t care. I doubt they’ll even change their minds when poor women in Texas start dying from botched abortions because no safe, legal option was available.
No matter how much Murdoch has, a 1.6B fine is going to hurt. Something tells me that there's a couple of three layers of LLC between Rupert and Fox, he may not be personally liable for anything.
According to Texas Department of Health and Human Services data, medical abortion was the most common abortion method in Texas, accounting for 53 percent of all terminated pregnancies in 2020.
They (Texas politicians) already *fixed* that loophole. As of 2 weeks ago, there’s a law in effect that makes it a felony to provide medication abortions after 7 weeks, and also a crime to deliver the drugs through the mail.
The cruelty is the point.
ETA: the Texas law re: medication abortions is SB4. It’s not getting as much attention as SB8, but it should.
I’m so sorry, but I’m glad you were able to skip the mess of protesters.
SB8 has been getting all the press, but SB4 (which makes providing a medication abortion after 7 weeks, and also criminalizes sending abortion drugs through the mail), should be getting a LOT more attention.
And yes, SCOTUS already allowed SB4 to take effect in a 5-4 decision. I’m shocked! /s
Medical privacy for women is apparently not a thing anymore.
As a non-lawyer, I really can’t square the logic of how states can regulate what can be shipped through the USPS. The Constitution mandates that the federal government establish a postal service. It doesn’t give states any authority over it. So, federal rules should overrule the states in this regard.
And I live in a state that used to prohibit out of state shipments of wine through the mail. It was always bullshit. Our LCB was more concerned about losing the tax revenue than people drinking too much. Now that they can collect sales tax on out of state purchases, they have no problem with it.
But I’m not a genius legal scholar like Clarence Thomas.
They could run it through a pharmacy who orders the pills in bulk and then sends them to Texas via some third party.
There’s going to be a black market in abortion pills, no matter what form it takes. Just like there’s currently a black market for prescription opioids.
Texas has ensured that’s going to happen.
IAAL, but I’m also a woman who lives in Texas, so trust that I’m not just looking at these issues like a law school hypothetical. I’ve spent a lot of time analyzing SB4 (limiting medication abortions) and SB8 (the 6 wk ban/bounty system), because both laws have immediate, real-world consequences for women here.
I 100% agree these laws are unconstitutional and should be stayed from taking effect and ultimately overturned. Unfortunately, the 5th Circuit appellate court is run by loons who keep overturning injunctions issued by district courts, and a 5-4 SCOTUS majority is upholding those decisions.
The real issue is that - because of the SCOTUS majority - doctors, abortion pill manufacturers, and others are not willing to take on the potential civil or criminal liability for providing/assisting with pre-viability abortions, in contravention with the 6 & 7 weeks bans imposed by Texas law. I can’t say that I blame them, but it means GQP politicians in Texas are getting exactly what they want, which is bullying providers et al. Into compliance with their unconstitutionally restrictive laws.
And anything else I say will get me ban-hammered, so I’ll leave it at that.
Per my other response, the real issue is that providers won’t want to ship these pills from out-of-state, because of the risk of criminal liability. Sure, it’s unlikely the violation of SB4 will be noticed - particularly if the shipper is clever enough about how the packages look. However, it only takes one postal inspector who is pro-forced birth to report the shipper, and they’re fucked.
They’ll find a way because it’s either that or the coat hanger.
For the person with an unwanted pregnancy, absolutely they’re going to try to find a way.
I just don’t know whether doctors are willing to prescribe the medications, or manufacturers are willing to ship the medications, and risk being in violation of Texas law.
It’s so damned frustrating that SB4 and SB8 were even allowed to go into effect, and it’s only because we have 5 RWNJ partisan hacks on SCOTUS. Even Roberts isn’t going along with it because he still has some measure of concern for the Court’s legitimacy, but the other 5 just don’t care. I doubt they’ll even change their minds when poor women in Texas start dying from botched abortions because no safe, legal option was available.
Gonna go smash some stuff now.
Uncle Joe is doing a good job.
I’m sure the Russians figured that out in the first minutes of the first meeting
No matter how much Murdoch has, a 1.6B fine is going to hurt. Something tells me that there's a couple of three layers of LLC between Rupert and Fox, he may not be personally liable for anything.
Because of course.
According to Texas Department of Health and Human Services data, medical abortion was the most common abortion method in Texas, accounting for 53 percent of all terminated pregnancies in 2020.
They (Texas politicians) already *fixed* that loophole. As of 2 weeks ago, there’s a law in effect that makes it a felony to provide medication abortions after 7 weeks, and also a crime to deliver the drugs through the mail.
The cruelty is the point.
ETA: the Texas law re: medication abortions is SB4. It’s not getting as much attention as SB8, but it should.
https://www.texastribune.or...
The way SB-8 is written, the postal worker who delivers it could be sued for aiding an abortion.
Permanent in the sense of right now and until the next asshole comes along.
Oh oops
At Douche-Bros-R-Us.
I’m so sorry, but I’m glad you were able to skip the mess of protesters.
SB8 has been getting all the press, but SB4 (which makes providing a medication abortion after 7 weeks, and also criminalizes sending abortion drugs through the mail), should be getting a LOT more attention.
And yes, SCOTUS already allowed SB4 to take effect in a 5-4 decision. I’m shocked! /s
Medical privacy for women is apparently not a thing anymore.