It's not about changing her mind. Some of those "they " are my ancestors - as are French aristocracy - and Missy Thing doesn't get to disavow the humanity of her fellow citizens just because of her venal delusions, sorry
Oh, but it happened at my ever so enlightened northeastern liberal arts college in the early 2000s. And the Orpheus Club right downtown in Philadelphia *still* proudly displays its old photos with half the participants in blackface like it’s NBD. If I had to guess I’d say it probably hung on for longer and is more prevalent in the South, but it’s not a uniquely Southern problem by any means.
Well, if they're full on brainwashed, that's a challenge. But I don't think you get to have them to Thanksgiving without an effort or a "stay home, then" ... since fellow citizens of color are literally being stabbed & shot & terrorized as a result of the bigoted violence they enable with their turning away and their silence. Those on the fence need to be given Robin Di Angelo's White Fragility, stat. And made to read it.
See, I really am not getting it. I was around in 1967-69. No one that I knew of did this type of thing. I even attended a low-rent junior high school from 1967-1969 full of some of the most horrible white people you can imagine. If anyone could have tried a thing like this, they were the ones.
I know it's upsetting to hear these things coming out now. Her filter is gone, along with big chunks of her brain that are no longer working right.
BUT I give her lots of credit for rejecting what she taught as a child, completely changing the story in her mind, and being on the right side of history while she had a working mind. That's not as easy to do as people might think. If you didn't grow up in an environment of toxic viewpoints, you can't understand the tremendous effort it takes to self-reprogram.
So it's too easy to denigrate her now for the terrible ideas her family planted in her mind before she had any critical thinking skills. Instead, be angry at her family, who fed her the poison.
And be grateful that she broke that cycle. She probably became a progressive activist to counter the horrible things she'd been taught and to try to undo some of the damage wrought by that mindset.
And be grateful that you didn't have to grow up in the same environment she did, that you can take your progressive views for granted without having had to buck your family and put the constant effort into rejecting their views.
I hope you can help your children see this aspect of her. She really tried to change the story. She should be remembered for what she chose to be when she still had a say in the matter.
As a long-time vegetarian, I've always found it easier to find chicken-alike protein (patties (breaded or not; I actually like simple soy patties best, and even cook them and tear into strips for chicken-like torn strips of breast), "nuggets," fake "wings," "cutlets," and "bits" or "pieces" which are the stuff to use in stir-fry (especially the Beyond version, which seems to have disappeared from co-ops locally)) than other stuff. Granted, most of the other stuff isn't something that I've been all that invested in, and recently they've made great strides for beef-alike (vegetarian sausage has been good for at least a decade, though). Mostly that stuff is in the frozen section of a co-op or whole foods place where they have a good selection. Still, standard seitan is pretty close in texture to chicken, I think.
If you're willing to try some other protein that isn't trying for chicken, but that works pretty well in a lot of dishes that call for chicken (still hot or cooked and then cooled or chilled), there's a kind of fad for baked tofu at the moment, and a couple or three good brands (usually in the cold case, 'cause tofu doesn't like freezing very much). Tofu doesn't have much taste on its own! But if you marinate it in something interesting, it can provide the protein and texture to carry the flavors. The baked versions generally have flavorings like "savory" and "teriyaki" and "sweet and sour", and are pretty forgiving when sauteed or otherwise incorporated into a dish.
Thank you for such a moving and thoughtful response!!The kids and I did talk about how hard she worked to move away from that poison herself and to change the world for the better. She's still active with the Wyoming Democrats which is like spitting in the prairie wind so she gets all kinds of respect for that. But yecchhh.And when she complains that the Quakers don't understand why she's so proud of her Confederate forebears I have little sympathy.🙄
It's not about changing her mind. Some of those "they " are my ancestors - as are French aristocracy - and Missy Thing doesn't get to disavow the humanity of her fellow citizens just because of her venal delusions, sorry
Well, it's too late, Alabama: now you're fated to be drowned by hurricane Dorian.
That's one of my favorite bits too!
Oh, but it happened at my ever so enlightened northeastern liberal arts college in the early 2000s. And the Orpheus Club right downtown in Philadelphia *still* proudly displays its old photos with half the participants in blackface like it’s NBD. If I had to guess I’d say it probably hung on for longer and is more prevalent in the South, but it’s not a uniquely Southern problem by any means.
"It's our proud heritage"
Yeah, someone needs to show her the 1619 Project and make dear lady read the whole thing
Well, there *was* that whole 3/5 of a person thing ...
Well, if they're full on brainwashed, that's a challenge. But I don't think you get to have them to Thanksgiving without an effort or a "stay home, then" ... since fellow citizens of color are literally being stabbed & shot & terrorized as a result of the bigoted violence they enable with their turning away and their silence. Those on the fence need to be given Robin Di Angelo's White Fragility, stat. And made to read it.
So ... flagrant hypocrisy, then. Who could have known?
11th Hour keeps a count. We're not yet up to 1000 days.
/I can't
Could of been a bad apple too, packing heat of its own.
See, I really am not getting it. I was around in 1967-69. No one that I knew of did this type of thing. I even attended a low-rent junior high school from 1967-1969 full of some of the most horrible white people you can imagine. If anyone could have tried a thing like this, they were the ones.
I know it's upsetting to hear these things coming out now. Her filter is gone, along with big chunks of her brain that are no longer working right.
BUT I give her lots of credit for rejecting what she taught as a child, completely changing the story in her mind, and being on the right side of history while she had a working mind. That's not as easy to do as people might think. If you didn't grow up in an environment of toxic viewpoints, you can't understand the tremendous effort it takes to self-reprogram.
So it's too easy to denigrate her now for the terrible ideas her family planted in her mind before she had any critical thinking skills. Instead, be angry at her family, who fed her the poison.
And be grateful that she broke that cycle. She probably became a progressive activist to counter the horrible things she'd been taught and to try to undo some of the damage wrought by that mindset.
And be grateful that you didn't have to grow up in the same environment she did, that you can take your progressive views for granted without having had to buck your family and put the constant effort into rejecting their views.
I hope you can help your children see this aspect of her. She really tried to change the story. She should be remembered for what she chose to be when she still had a say in the matter.
Dementia is a horrible thing.
As a long-time vegetarian, I've always found it easier to find chicken-alike protein (patties (breaded or not; I actually like simple soy patties best, and even cook them and tear into strips for chicken-like torn strips of breast), "nuggets," fake "wings," "cutlets," and "bits" or "pieces" which are the stuff to use in stir-fry (especially the Beyond version, which seems to have disappeared from co-ops locally)) than other stuff. Granted, most of the other stuff isn't something that I've been all that invested in, and recently they've made great strides for beef-alike (vegetarian sausage has been good for at least a decade, though). Mostly that stuff is in the frozen section of a co-op or whole foods place where they have a good selection. Still, standard seitan is pretty close in texture to chicken, I think.
If you're willing to try some other protein that isn't trying for chicken, but that works pretty well in a lot of dishes that call for chicken (still hot or cooked and then cooled or chilled), there's a kind of fad for baked tofu at the moment, and a couple or three good brands (usually in the cold case, 'cause tofu doesn't like freezing very much). Tofu doesn't have much taste on its own! But if you marinate it in something interesting, it can provide the protein and texture to carry the flavors. The baked versions generally have flavorings like "savory" and "teriyaki" and "sweet and sour", and are pretty forgiving when sauteed or otherwise incorporated into a dish.
Thank you for such a moving and thoughtful response!!The kids and I did talk about how hard she worked to move away from that poison herself and to change the world for the better. She's still active with the Wyoming Democrats which is like spitting in the prairie wind so she gets all kinds of respect for that. But yecchhh.And when she complains that the Quakers don't understand why she's so proud of her Confederate forebears I have little sympathy.🙄
wouldn't change her mind a mote, they aren't people to her
As hereby ordered