"Edl was sent to a Yugoslavian labor camp as a child, along with many other people in the country of German descent, in the aftermath of World War II. Her story that she tells is that she wished that people had thrown themselves in front of the trains taking her and her family to the camps in order to prevent them from doing so, and that this is what she sees herself as doing as an anti-abortion-rights activist."
Except one would have gotten killed for what would likely be a minor delay. The other is health care of which people have gotten killed for not obtaining.
Ta, Robyn. When I was study.ng to be, among other things, a colonic hydrotherapist, we studied the digestive system for a YEAR before we were permitted to do our required practical. No, this is not counseling by any stretch of the imagination and is exactly the sort of garbage that led to Dr Tiller's murder.
In the fall of 1974, I was a journeyman carpenter on Cape Cod and my (then) wife was a seasonal chambermaid at a motel; I made $3.00/hr, and she was laid off (without unemployment insurance.) when we learned she was pregnant. The first “Arab oil embargo” (it was no such thing…they just dramatically raised the price of their principal product, and President Ford’s spinmeisters called it that.
Anyway, with one of our tiny incomes gone and me on the way to unemployment, which arrived in December ($50/week), we freaked out when learning of the unplanned pregnancy…our mortgage costs alone were $175/mo. So we decided (admittedly in a panic) to seek an abortion…legal in MA, and made an appointment. The provider’s staff were incredibly supportive, but the rules required a consultation session for my wife first. The session resulted in my wife deciding that she wanted to keep the baby, and Joshua is now 50 years old.
Thank goodness that our state had thoughtful, caring clinics like that, and shame on every state that doesn’t.
I wonder how long they'd stand for atheists, pagans, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. standing outside their churches and 'counseling' them about their poor choice of religious beliefs?
As a trans person, this is a very familiar rhetorical move. Yeah, bottom surgery sounds pretty gnarly. So does heart surgery. So does knee surgery. So does an appendectomy.
I was sitting in a car outside of an abortion clinic last week. When my kid came out, the protestors across the street started yelling at them. One poor feller who was wholly unprepared for my child hollered something about them turning their back (on him? Jesus? a snarling wolf? no idea) so they turned to face him, made aggressive eye contact, pointed directly at him, and moon walked all the way to the car. He was physically agitated by their spectacle.
If all federal laws are bad, why do we even have a Congress?
That’s an increasingly relevant question given how under America’s creepiest youth pastor/speaker, this Congress has done virtually nothing over the past year.
My own personal argument is that a pre viability fetus IS NOT A PERSON. Full stop. We cede too much ground noodling around the edges of the "life of the mother" or rape and incest exceptions, not that they're not relevant, but that a woman has an absolute right to choice pre viability. If these "counsellors" want the right to get in women's faces and in any way lay hands on them or yell at them, the affected women should be able to claim self defense for what follows.
Even if it was a 'person', it would not have the right use another person's body against their will. Even full-fledged human beings who are in need of blood, organs, tissue, etc. in order to live are not allowed to take it from other people without consent.
They never talk about self-defense, never mention unwanted babies. If the topic comes up I always do, because neither thing ever occurred to them. I like this track on describing birth in great detail and then ask them exactly who they would like to force it on. Personally, as a human, I think I should be able to have self-defense against that. And let's talk some more about unwanted babies -- who are they and what is supposed to happen to them? We throw people away all the time, so what makes anyone think an abortion is worse?
“He’s been talking recently about how he is the most powerful person to ever live,” the confidant told us. “He wants to be remembered as the one who did things that other people couldn’t do, because of his sheer power and force of will.” -- The Atlantic
He has less influence than he imagines, than he tells himself, than the inner circle tells him. And he’s oblivious to the approaching financial / environmental / cultural collapse. There will be no lasting New Order named for Trump
"Edl was sent to a Yugoslavian labor camp as a child, along with many other people in the country of German descent, in the aftermath of World War II. Her story that she tells is that she wished that people had thrown themselves in front of the trains taking her and her family to the camps in order to prevent them from doing so, and that this is what she sees herself as doing as an anti-abortion-rights activist."
Except one would have gotten killed for what would likely be a minor delay. The other is health care of which people have gotten killed for not obtaining.
Try again, selfish fuck.
Ta, Robyn. When I was study.ng to be, among other things, a colonic hydrotherapist, we studied the digestive system for a YEAR before we were permitted to do our required practical. No, this is not counseling by any stretch of the imagination and is exactly the sort of garbage that led to Dr Tiller's murder.
Hi Robyn (and friends),
In the fall of 1974, I was a journeyman carpenter on Cape Cod and my (then) wife was a seasonal chambermaid at a motel; I made $3.00/hr, and she was laid off (without unemployment insurance.) when we learned she was pregnant. The first “Arab oil embargo” (it was no such thing…they just dramatically raised the price of their principal product, and President Ford’s spinmeisters called it that.
Anyway, with one of our tiny incomes gone and me on the way to unemployment, which arrived in December ($50/week), we freaked out when learning of the unplanned pregnancy…our mortgage costs alone were $175/mo. So we decided (admittedly in a panic) to seek an abortion…legal in MA, and made an appointment. The provider’s staff were incredibly supportive, but the rules required a consultation session for my wife first. The session resulted in my wife deciding that she wanted to keep the baby, and Joshua is now 50 years old.
Thank goodness that our state had thoughtful, caring clinics like that, and shame on every state that doesn’t.
I wonder how long they'd stand for atheists, pagans, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. standing outside their churches and 'counseling' them about their poor choice of religious beliefs?
Rep. Brandon Gill looks like the kind of guy who REALLY likes mansplaining things to women.
like like like lecturing people entering a coffee shop on the dangers of too much sugar in their diet when they are just getting a black coffee.
As a trans person, this is a very familiar rhetorical move. Yeah, bottom surgery sounds pretty gnarly. So does heart surgery. So does knee surgery. So does an appendectomy.
My prosthetist told me has witnessed many amputations and even worser than the sound of the saw is the smell of burning bone.
Ok, well, throwing bleach and cutting off pony tails is obviously right out, but *merely* cutting off a man bun is a civic duty.
I was sitting in a car outside of an abortion clinic last week. When my kid came out, the protestors across the street started yelling at them. One poor feller who was wholly unprepared for my child hollered something about them turning their back (on him? Jesus? a snarling wolf? no idea) so they turned to face him, made aggressive eye contact, pointed directly at him, and moon walked all the way to the car. He was physically agitated by their spectacle.
That’s glorious.
If all federal laws are bad, why do we even have a Congress?
That’s an increasingly relevant question given how under America’s creepiest youth pastor/speaker, this Congress has done virtually nothing over the past year.
so GOP congress critters can make bank.
Hell yes. To all of this. Republicans just can’t leave people the fuck alone. 🙄
My own personal argument is that a pre viability fetus IS NOT A PERSON. Full stop. We cede too much ground noodling around the edges of the "life of the mother" or rape and incest exceptions, not that they're not relevant, but that a woman has an absolute right to choice pre viability. If these "counsellors" want the right to get in women's faces and in any way lay hands on them or yell at them, the affected women should be able to claim self defense for what follows.
Even if it was a 'person', it would not have the right use another person's body against their will. Even full-fledged human beings who are in need of blood, organs, tissue, etc. in order to live are not allowed to take it from other people without consent.
Biblically one concept is "quickening" when movement can be felt. A second is first breath. Fundies ignore the bible when they want to.
Can we ‘counsel’ women about going out in public without covering their heads and faces?
Asking for a Taliban
Well, if they’re women with MAL face, covering it up should be considered a public service.
They never talk about self-defense, never mention unwanted babies. If the topic comes up I always do, because neither thing ever occurred to them. I like this track on describing birth in great detail and then ask them exactly who they would like to force it on. Personally, as a human, I think I should be able to have self-defense against that. And let's talk some more about unwanted babies -- who are they and what is supposed to happen to them? We throw people away all the time, so what makes anyone think an abortion is worse?
Children who are not wanted and know they are not wanted end up causing great havoc in this country.
We don't give two fucking shits about children here.
There is nothing more cruel than bringing an unwanted child into being. How could anyone be expected to recover from that?
Some economist drew a correlation between legal abortion and lower crime rates.
I think it was Stephen Levitt in Freakonomics.
I didn't like that book at all, but who knows?
welllllll fuckaroo, everywonk! what a dayfull o' fuckwittery!
good thing yrrrr
smoking lamp
is nao lit [very, thank you yes!]!
"ALL ABOARD FOR FUN TIME" -- IGGY POP
“He’s been talking recently about how he is the most powerful person to ever live,” the confidant told us. “He wants to be remembered as the one who did things that other people couldn’t do, because of his sheer power and force of will.” -- The Atlantic
That grandeur's one of the symptoms of his type of dementia, right?
Yes. And I blame Norman Vincent Peale and Roy Cohn for having wet nursed Donald with their spectacular and milkly-white breasts.
Even though those things are stupid and destructive?
HERE YA GO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoJNkE_wXL8
Iggy Pop would be a far better president than that turd in the Oval Office.
And the taxpayers would reap the dividends of all the money saved on suits and shirts.
Ps he’s Jesus.
Dr. Jesus to you.
Jesus with a Pistol!
Pistol packing doctor Jesus 2x impeached.
He has less influence than he imagines, than he tells himself, than the inner circle tells him. And he’s oblivious to the approaching financial / environmental / cultural collapse. There will be no lasting New Order named for Trump