It's been mentioned before, but this is about who can get abortions, not making them illegal. The wives, daughters, and mistresses (particularly the latter) of rich, connected men will always be able to get abortions. Hoi polloi like you and me will still be banned from health care.
Law Enforcement Probing Calls to Abortion Petition Signers
"The South Dakota Division of Criminal Investigation has been asked to make inquiries into a series of phone calls Monday made to people who signed a petition to get an abortion rights constitutional amendment on the ballot in November, according to a report. KELO-TV reported that one person received a call from someone claiming to be from the Secretary of State’s Office who proceeded to ask questions about the call recipient’s decision to sign the petition in a “judgmental tone.” The caller later told a reporter they had made the call on behalf of the South Dakota Petition Integrity Committee. Secretary of State Monae L. Johnson released a public warning “to be aware of scammers” pretending to be with her office who are “trying to pressure voters into asking that their name be removed from the Abortion Rights petitions.” A GOP state representative who runs the petition integrity commission confirmed his volunteers called signatories but said they hadn’t lied. The purpose of the calls was to find out if signatories had been misled, he added."
The Heritage Foundation and the Confederate billionaires whom Reagan's stock buybacks created over a period of decades "need" a hierarchy of people from whom they feel entitled to steal unearned wealth.
I need to take a break from reading the polls because they are just so fricking depressing. I know, I know, 2016 and all that, but these people are so mad, so cruel and so evil (thank you Hamilton for pointing out that omission) and there just seems to be so damn many of them. I look upon their works and despair.
I've come to the conclusion that polls are worthless. They make claims of updating their methodology to account for changes in technology, but I'm not seeing it. The results look like they contacted white, middle-class people in 1958 before caller ID.
Do they even conduct polls? The media needs a horserace, they'll throw whatever money pollsters demand for a horserace. Why go out and ask actual questions? That shit costs money.
Polling today is practically useless as they are relying upon methods and assumptions that no longer hold true. Remember how they predicted a huge red wave in 2022? Guess what? Didn't happen. And what I noticed after driving through rural Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado a couple of weeks ago was the complete lack of Trump signs and flags. I saw only two the whole way.
Even if they've updated things to take in cell phones, they're still getting the subset of people who answer unknown numbers who will then take part in the poll.
I know. That Venn Diagram includes every member of Gen Z.
That THIS far into the 21st freakin' century the United States of America remains such a primitive, reactive, kneel and pray desperately to an entirely intangible but somehow "ALL powerful" celestial entity nation horrifies, frustrates, and just freakin' infuriates me.
The USA can launch human beings aboard life-sustaining space ships far out into the galaxy to peruse the stars and see as far as there is anything to be seen BUT continue to genuflect, bow their head, close their eyes, and REFUSE to see what's fascist and fucked up right in front of them Reich freakin' HERE.
These regressive Rethuglicon reprobates will render us ALL onto train cars and into all too heinously familiar camps to be summarily dispatched for our criminal democracy if they get the opportunity to do so.
If not for worshippers of Imaginary Things, humankind would be traveling amongst the stars thousands of years ago. As things are now, that will never happen at all, ever.
"another, especially cruel law, banning people from having abortions due to “genetic abnormalities”
AKA they still think women are choosing to abort babies to get the sex they prefer or because "it's too much trouble" to have a child with birth defects. Never mind that it actually IS expensive and emotionally draining to have a child with severe defects that can't be treated, and some women ARE not ready or financially/emotionally/physically able to face the challenge, or simply don't want to bring a child into the world and watch it suffer. You can bet that if one of those lawmakers were told their pregnancy would result in a child with severe genetic abnormalities that would shorten its life or cost them a million dollars in the first year, they'd be outside the abortion clinic in lawn chairs waiting for the doors to open.
My husband and I agreed in no uncertain terms that if any sort of major issues (genetic abnormalities, etc.) were identified through ultrasounds and/or genetic testing ("geriatric pregnancies", so I got the full blood panels), that we would NOT continue with the pregnancy. We weren't financially or emotionally prepared for something like that and didn't feel that we could adequately provide care.
We totally respect that other people might choose differently for their families and their lives, and we knew that there was always the chance for something catastrophic that could happen to put us in that position regardless. But we couldn't set ourselves up for that while still having a way to avoid it.
I think the basic thing is this--abortion is not murder, because abortion takes place at a point before human life is created. Therefore, whatever reason or no reason at all is sufficient for having an early abortion--we don't, after all, discuss whether there's a good enough reason to wear a condom or take birth control pills. It's prevention, not killing.
For late term abortions, we can presume that anyone choosing to have one at that point in the pregnancy has a good enough reason to do so, because it is far riskier and more traumatic than an early abortion, and no one would choose to wait several months to make the same decision, so based on that we should not be imposing rules on "why" one has an abortion.
Do we know what happened so many years ago that caused that all-male legislature to ban abortions? Were there wholesale abortions taking place? Was a whole generation simply not born? Even something as terrible as that law normally has a source - like a wife with 8 kids already? Were Native Americans providing assistance?
They simply needed a carrot to dangle to the rubes and the idea of slicing up little defenseless babies (which is how they frame it) was just the ticket. Cue the moral majority and the selling out of our government to the church.
One man probably complained because his wife either had or wanted an abortion, so they banned it for all women. Never in history has what women wanted or needed caused an entire legislature to act in our favor, but let a white man complain he's not getting something and they all leap to attention.
Ta, Robyn. Abortion is healthcare. No one's business apart from the patient and the medical professional.
It's been mentioned before, but this is about who can get abortions, not making them illegal. The wives, daughters, and mistresses (particularly the latter) of rich, connected men will always be able to get abortions. Hoi polloi like you and me will still be banned from health care.
Here's an idea, tell the AZ $CROTUS to pound sand. Which Mayes has already done I think.
Is the government of Arizona offering to pick up the tab for the care and housing of these children, whether born with a defect or not?
(crickets)
Thought so...
Once they are born they are on their own!!
Of course! That's always been part and parcel to the pearl-clutching forced-birthers' plan because, you know...they love children?
Most likely, the republicans will keep the legislature open until the election just to fuck with the governor.
What this needs is a big helping of bánh mì.
Not gonna look up Trisomy 18. Have a feeling it'll make me sad.
Related tab:
Law Enforcement Probing Calls to Abortion Petition Signers
"The South Dakota Division of Criminal Investigation has been asked to make inquiries into a series of phone calls Monday made to people who signed a petition to get an abortion rights constitutional amendment on the ballot in November, according to a report. KELO-TV reported that one person received a call from someone claiming to be from the Secretary of State’s Office who proceeded to ask questions about the call recipient’s decision to sign the petition in a “judgmental tone.” The caller later told a reporter they had made the call on behalf of the South Dakota Petition Integrity Committee. Secretary of State Monae L. Johnson released a public warning “to be aware of scammers” pretending to be with her office who are “trying to pressure voters into asking that their name be removed from the Abortion Rights petitions.” A GOP state representative who runs the petition integrity commission confirmed his volunteers called signatories but said they hadn’t lied. The purpose of the calls was to find out if signatories had been misled, he added."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/law-enforcement-probing-calls-to-abortion-petition-signers-in-south-dakota?ref=home
The purpose of the calls was intimidation, for now and into the future. The GOP is the new Michael Cohen for trump.
Or Stasi.
𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘶𝘳𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘴 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘧 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘥, 𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘥.
You know how easily them wimmenfolk can be led astray by "outside agitators" promising them their "rights" as a "citizen."
Also too, being hoodwinked into getting abortions.
"misled"
uh huh.
Courts always matter, folks. Remember this in November!
SAY IT LOUDER
The Arizona Supreme Court needs to be repealed. With sharp, pointy votes.
A gap to mind? I wasn't expecting a London Underground reference on Wonkette.
These people are cruel and insane. So no surprise there, then.
And somehow Trump still has a chance to win and turn this nation into a cruel and insane fascist dictatorship.
Make it make sense, please.
Not as hard as you might think.
But you won't like it.
https://youtu.be/u5PUpcx80mw?si=RJg6HpDJOCsTPrQk
https://youtu.be/9UvUqMWYAVA?si=czl3SzMKxIMgrfZa
It's always the racism.
Fascism needs racism.
The Heritage Foundation and the Confederate billionaires whom Reagan's stock buybacks created over a period of decades "need" a hierarchy of people from whom they feel entitled to steal unearned wealth.
Don't get me started.
https://youtu.be/CR7-sJqk4ZI?si=Vgm3kVSr-AGN7HVm
https://www.youtube.com/live/j1yONMYjhPY?si=tb_h6Sg5SMPeGPa5
Yup. Fascists are obsessed with hierarchies. That's why they fundamentally oppose the entire concept of equal rights.
"All are equal. Some are more equal than others."
I need to take a break from reading the polls because they are just so fricking depressing. I know, I know, 2016 and all that, but these people are so mad, so cruel and so evil (thank you Hamilton for pointing out that omission) and there just seems to be so damn many of them. I look upon their works and despair.
I've come to the conclusion that polls are worthless. They make claims of updating their methodology to account for changes in technology, but I'm not seeing it. The results look like they contacted white, middle-class people in 1958 before caller ID.
They're bought and paid for Rethug propaganda. NOTHING MORE.
Despair not; it's all lies.
Do they even conduct polls? The media needs a horserace, they'll throw whatever money pollsters demand for a horserace. Why go out and ask actual questions? That shit costs money.
Polling today is practically useless as they are relying upon methods and assumptions that no longer hold true. Remember how they predicted a huge red wave in 2022? Guess what? Didn't happen. And what I noticed after driving through rural Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado a couple of weeks ago was the complete lack of Trump signs and flags. I saw only two the whole way.
Even if they've updated things to take in cell phones, they're still getting the subset of people who answer unknown numbers who will then take part in the poll.
I know. That Venn Diagram includes every member of Gen Z.
The word evil comes to mind.
OT, Trump is going to be extra mad today
"Prosecutor: Did you get subpoenaed by Congress?
Cohen: Yes. About Trump Tower Moscow.
Prosecutor: Did you have an attorney?
Cohen: Yes. Paid for by Trump Org, subject to a joint defense agreement.
Prosecutor: Did you make false statements to Congress?
Cohen: Yes"
"Prosecutor: Why did you make false statements to Congress?
Cohen: I was staying on President Trump's message that there was no Russia, Russia, Russia.
Prosecutor: Did you continue to lie, and pressure others to lie, about the payoffs to McDougal and Daniels?
Yes"
https://x.com/innercitypress/status/1790388467945390404
Is extra mad the same as extra farty? Cause I can see the two being inextricably linked. Time to turn down the air conditioning again!
"The guy I hired to lie for me is now lying about me telling lies!"
Our once and possibly future President, America. How fucking dumb are we?
Pretty fucking dumb, sadly.
People can fight back.
But some people will need to face some ugly truths in order for that to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/live/j1yONMYjhPY?si=tb_h6Sg5SMPeGPa5
Proper dumb.
That THIS far into the 21st freakin' century the United States of America remains such a primitive, reactive, kneel and pray desperately to an entirely intangible but somehow "ALL powerful" celestial entity nation horrifies, frustrates, and just freakin' infuriates me.
The USA can launch human beings aboard life-sustaining space ships far out into the galaxy to peruse the stars and see as far as there is anything to be seen BUT continue to genuflect, bow their head, close their eyes, and REFUSE to see what's fascist and fucked up right in front of them Reich freakin' HERE.
These regressive Rethuglicon reprobates will render us ALL onto train cars and into all too heinously familiar camps to be summarily dispatched for our criminal democracy if they get the opportunity to do so.
Be prepared to fight back, comrades.
Preach it sista!
If not for worshippers of Imaginary Things, humankind would be traveling amongst the stars thousands of years ago. As things are now, that will never happen at all, ever.
Not just 'as things are now.' H. sapiens will be over in the not too distant future.
It's a matter of time before Gaia finally rids herself of us.
And frankly, I can't blame Gaia one gottdamned bit.
As my beloved Swiss colleague put it a few minutes ago, 'These people are evolving backwards.'
Devolving. Maybe I should wear my flower pot hat.
"another, especially cruel law, banning people from having abortions due to “genetic abnormalities”
AKA they still think women are choosing to abort babies to get the sex they prefer or because "it's too much trouble" to have a child with birth defects. Never mind that it actually IS expensive and emotionally draining to have a child with severe defects that can't be treated, and some women ARE not ready or financially/emotionally/physically able to face the challenge, or simply don't want to bring a child into the world and watch it suffer. You can bet that if one of those lawmakers were told their pregnancy would result in a child with severe genetic abnormalities that would shorten its life or cost them a million dollars in the first year, they'd be outside the abortion clinic in lawn chairs waiting for the doors to open.
My husband and I agreed in no uncertain terms that if any sort of major issues (genetic abnormalities, etc.) were identified through ultrasounds and/or genetic testing ("geriatric pregnancies", so I got the full blood panels), that we would NOT continue with the pregnancy. We weren't financially or emotionally prepared for something like that and didn't feel that we could adequately provide care.
We totally respect that other people might choose differently for their families and their lives, and we knew that there was always the chance for something catastrophic that could happen to put us in that position regardless. But we couldn't set ourselves up for that while still having a way to avoid it.
The thing is, it was the choice you made and doesn't everyone deserve to choose what's right for them in their eyes?
EXACTLY. Everyone should be able to CHOOSE for their own family. I said as much, but ... YES.
I think the basic thing is this--abortion is not murder, because abortion takes place at a point before human life is created. Therefore, whatever reason or no reason at all is sufficient for having an early abortion--we don't, after all, discuss whether there's a good enough reason to wear a condom or take birth control pills. It's prevention, not killing.
For late term abortions, we can presume that anyone choosing to have one at that point in the pregnancy has a good enough reason to do so, because it is far riskier and more traumatic than an early abortion, and no one would choose to wait several months to make the same decision, so based on that we should not be imposing rules on "why" one has an abortion.
Do we know what happened so many years ago that caused that all-male legislature to ban abortions? Were there wholesale abortions taking place? Was a whole generation simply not born? Even something as terrible as that law normally has a source - like a wife with 8 kids already? Were Native Americans providing assistance?
They simply needed a carrot to dangle to the rubes and the idea of slicing up little defenseless babies (which is how they frame it) was just the ticket. Cue the moral majority and the selling out of our government to the church.
One man probably complained because his wife either had or wanted an abortion, so they banned it for all women. Never in history has what women wanted or needed caused an entire legislature to act in our favor, but let a white man complain he's not getting something and they all leap to attention.
The same as now - people worked up over immigration, buying into racist ideas about who matters, treating women as property.
A pedophile wrote the law. Not even joking.
Makes some sense.