We tuned in to the president's "I fixed the NSA you're welcome" speech just as he was wrapping up the part where he recapped the entire motherlovin history of US surveillance and explicated his very intellectual and nuanced deliberations on freedom and security -- where shall the twain meet? For how long? Who pays for the room?
I has a confuse. Why does the NSA need to spy on us? Aren't we all blogging, and posting, and tweeting, and FBing, and commenting ourselves into the opposite of privacy anyway? I mean, when a RWNJ tweets that, because he disagrees with her column, he wants a female columnist to die being raped to death, do you have to spy on him also too? Can't you proceed on assumptions, at that point?
Full disclosure before I weigh in on this. I'm from a military family... my dad was in communications/intelligence so I'm biased. I have a larger appreciation than most for the folks who do everything they can to keep us ahead of the bad guys. That being said...
I can appreciate the constitutional right to privacy, freedom, etc... however, this isn't the War of 1812. This is the 21st century, everything we do is electronic, the world's population is far larger, technology is our best friend and our worst enemy. If we didn't do everything that we are capable of doing (spying) someone else will do it to us and far worse things on top of that. People who wish to do us harm aren't all outside our borders either. A browse around the RWNJ websites & Twitterverse is proof of that.
In summary, there are just some things I don't need to know and most I don't want to know for my own peace of mind. The world is a scary place & there are some really evil people out there. Time for me to go look at some cute kittens. Peace y'all.
That is indeed true but we have an overly abundant supply of real human traffickers, murderers, child predators, violent extremists and terrorists within our own country and outside our borders.
I'm by no means saying the system is "perfect" or naive to the fact that a few bad seeds will abuse the system but that can be expected in anything. I would hope that when they are caught that corrective steps are implemented to prevent abuse.
I was terrified of the PA when it was created... until I spoke with my dad, my brother who was in Mogadishu (Blackhawk Down), the families of my friends who I lost in the WTC and another close friend who is a DC cop who ran on foot to the Pentagon and had to pick up human remains. Those are "rare" examples to defend the need, I understand that... but I also firmly believe without them we wouldn't be using the word "rare" to describe it.
Additionally, from another personal perspective... the daughter of another close friend was the victim of a large child s.e.x (unsure of filters) ring. She disappeared a year and a half ago and was likely murdered by them. The group of her family members who were responsible had multiple child victims and a large on-line/cell phone presence. They used Craigslist and Facebook FFS! In this regard the outrage I have over "spying" is that they aren't doing enough to protect innocent children from our own citizens.
As a liberal, I understand this isn't a "popular" opinion and one that is not ordinarily held by my friends but it is a honest perspective based on personal experience.
Rather than repeating myself, I've posted the basis for my perspective below. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring your reply. Again, I will say that I know it isn't something you'd generally expect from a liberal but it is an honest & deeply considered assessment.
"And that’s pretty much it unless you want to go live in the woods forever, which sounds nice until you realize there is no Wonkette there, and also that you are weak."
Alex couldn't be more wrong about this. We most certainly do get Wonkette here.
The information that the NSA may gather about me from my cell phone, email and web surfing is just a pebble compared to the enormous mountain of personal info that various corporations have zealously collected about you, me and everyone else both on- and offline for decades, and have been readily selling back and forth to each other. All with zero transparency.
Where is the outrage over the decades-long practice of accumulating massive amounts of personal data on every one of us by private and commercial interests who have absolutely no accountability or oversight?
Sure, they may not necessarily monitor our phone calls or read our emails, but corporations long ago figured out that they didn't need to do any of that in order to gather very detailed and very personal information on each of us. Information that could be collected from our electronic communications is trivial compared to the wealth of data that they collect from us via our commercial activities. And in contrast to the NSA, they actually do look at all of it, analyse it and slice and dice it every which way but Sunday, and then make extensive use of it. US government agencies are rank amateurs compared to these guys, and the corporations have been doing it for much longer than entities like the NSA.
You&#039;re worried about data gathering by the <i>government?</i> Hahaha, that&#039;s a good one!
Well, I for one welcome our same old insect overlords.
<i>So what do we do?
One, make sure we don&rsquo;t elect another Nixon.</i>
Two, lawsuits, baby!
Dear people in government: What part of &quot;warrants&quot; do you not understand?
I has a confuse. Why does the NSA need to spy on us? Aren&#039;t we all blogging, and posting, and tweeting, and FBing, and commenting ourselves into the opposite of privacy anyway? I mean, when a RWNJ tweets that, because he disagrees with her column, he wants a female columnist to die being raped to death, do you have to spy on him also too? Can&#039;t you proceed on assumptions, at that point?
Full disclosure before I weigh in on this. I&#039;m from a military family... my dad was in communications/intelligence so I&#039;m biased. I have a larger appreciation than most for the folks who do everything they can to keep us ahead of the bad guys. That being said...
I can appreciate the constitutional right to privacy, freedom, etc... however, this isn&#039;t the War of 1812. This is the 21st century, everything we do is electronic, the world&#039;s population is far larger, technology is our best friend and our worst enemy. If we didn&#039;t do everything that we are capable of doing (spying) someone else will do it to us and far worse things on top of that. People who wish to do us harm aren&#039;t all outside our borders either. A browse around the RWNJ websites &amp; Twitterverse is proof of that.
In summary, there are just some things I don&#039;t need to know and most I don&#039;t want to know for my own peace of mind. The world is a scary place &amp; there are some really evil people out there. Time for me to go look at some cute kittens. Peace y&#039;all.
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That is indeed true but we have an overly abundant supply of real human traffickers, murderers, child predators, violent extremists and terrorists within our own country and outside our borders.
well, i will.
and if they throw in the free mummia crowd with the stephanie miller gang imma not saying anything.
i don&#039;t know about all this. i just hope they find my fucking keys.
I&#039;m by no means saying the system is &quot;perfect&quot; or naive to the fact that a few bad seeds will abuse the system but that can be expected in anything. I would hope that when they are caught that corrective steps are implemented to prevent abuse.
I was terrified of the PA when it was created... until I spoke with my dad, my brother who was in Mogadishu (Blackhawk Down), the families of my friends who I lost in the WTC and another close friend who is a DC cop who ran on foot to the Pentagon and had to pick up human remains. Those are &quot;rare&quot; examples to defend the need, I understand that... but I also firmly believe without them we wouldn&#039;t be using the word &quot;rare&quot; to describe it.
Additionally, from another personal perspective... the daughter of another close friend was the victim of a large child s.e.x (unsure of filters) ring. She disappeared a year and a half ago and was likely murdered by them. The group of her family members who were responsible had multiple child victims and a large on-line/cell phone presence. They used Craigslist and Facebook FFS! In this regard the outrage I have over &quot;spying&quot; is that they aren&#039;t doing enough to protect innocent children from our own citizens.
As a liberal, I understand this isn&#039;t a &quot;popular&quot; opinion and one that is not ordinarily held by my friends but it is a honest perspective based on personal experience.
Rather than repeating myself, I&#039;ve posted the basis for my perspective below. Didn&#039;t want you to think I was ignoring your reply. Again, I will say that I know it isn&#039;t something you&#039;d generally expect from a liberal but it is an honest &amp; deeply considered assessment.
&quot;And that&rsquo;s pretty much it unless you want to go live in the woods forever, which sounds nice until you realize there is no Wonkette there, and also that you are weak.&quot;
Alex couldn&#039;t be more wrong about this. We most certainly do get Wonkette here.
The information that the NSA may gather about me from my cell phone, email and web surfing is just a pebble compared to the enormous mountain of personal info that various corporations have zealously collected about you, me and everyone else both on- and offline for decades, and have been readily selling back and forth to each other. All with zero transparency.
Where is the outrage over the decades-long practice of accumulating massive amounts of personal data on every one of us by private and commercial interests who have absolutely no accountability or oversight?
Sure, they may not necessarily monitor our phone calls or read our emails, but corporations long ago figured out that they didn&#039;t need to do any of that in order to gather very detailed and very personal information on each of us. Information that could be collected from our electronic communications is trivial compared to the wealth of data that they collect from us via our commercial activities. And in contrast to the NSA, they actually do look at all of it, analyse it and slice and dice it every which way but Sunday, and then make extensive use of it. US government agencies are rank amateurs compared to these guys, and the corporations have been doing it for much longer than entities like the NSA.
You&#039;re worried about data gathering by the <i>government?</i> Hahaha, that&#039;s a good one!
Obama never meta data he didn&#039;t like.
You mean RINO, right?
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