Oh, COME ON! Now they're just trolling us! Yesterday Politico revealed Betsy DeVos's choice to head the Student Aid Enforcement Unit. On the plus side, she picked a guy who knows a thing or two about fraud and abuse in student aid. On the minus side, he learned it working at
Sometimes they do. But they usually miss the target. Rather than, say, the legislator who passed some dickish law, they shoot the receptionist at the front desk their local bank branch. Then the other poor, the police, show up and shoot him or take him away to help fill the new private prison.
So the poor have not fought back effectively.So the poor have not fought back with sufficient votes.
Like I said the corporation was a bunch of greedy bastards. I even created a whole new specialized degree for them for Computer Forensics and created some of the courses online for it from scratch and some other Dean , who moved up very quickly because he was ruthless, totally took credit for it.
Okay, I know I'm gonna take some flak for what I'm about to say but please hear me out. I worked at a DeVry Campus for a number of years as a computer programmer instructor and then as a Dean. The Academic Dept at my campus cared deeply about our students and were committed to educating our students to be successful in the workforce and being Accredited meant a lot to us and it was a lot of work to maintain that accreditation. We also knew that our Marketing department were a bunch of greedy assholes who would bring in students who were in no way ready for college and we knew would not be successful without a significant amount of help. So we set up programs and tutoring to help people who weren't ready for college by teaching remedial math, English, etc, whatever they needed to get up to speed (often at no extra cost to the student). I would give them credit for courses taken at community college but not everything rolled over and if they couldn't pass some basic entrance exams on basic math, English, etc I would make them take the remedial course. The students disliked me for it but I would be damned if I would doom them to failure in the later courses. But the truth was we were given an impossible task.
To make matters worse the students often pushed back against the Academic Dept because they often felt we expected too much of them. I don't know how many times I was given a bad student evaluation because I made them write papers that were grammatically correct and coherent (heaven forfend). If had a dime for every time a student who wrote complete gibberish and then said upon receiving their grade, "This is a programming course, not an English Composition course!!!" I would be filthy rich. And on more than one occasion I was told by students (and their parents of the younger students), 'we've paid all this money, now give me my diploma' in spite of the fact the student did little or even cheated. They wanted to pay, do nothing and get a diploma and I flatly refused (as did their professors and other Deans).
Today I have many former students who are IT pros and making a good living. There are many others who never should have been in the program and are working in other fields and/or are underemployed. It was wrong of DeVry to market that they had 90% placement and they do overcharge for their courses. But at the same time, don't necessarily pooh-pooh the professors and Deans who worked there. Most of them truly cared and worked very hard to educate the students properly no matter what the unrealistic demands of the corporation or students were.
Look, I'm sure you cared as much as you say you do, but when you say you "were given an impossible task," the people who gave you that task got paychecks from the same source you did. It wasn't just marketing that were "greedy assholes," it was the school administration.
I'm sorry, but I resent paying taxes for federally guaranteed loans to people who had no business accepting them and who were enticed to do so by greedy assholes. I already pay taxes to support my city's perfectly good community college, which is where the students of "for-profit colleges" belong in the first place.
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Ralph Nadirs?
The largest lynching was sanctioned by Lincoln. http://www.unitednativeamer...
Or she can claim that she's not really a woman.
Sometimes they do. But they usually miss the target. Rather than, say, the legislator who passed some dickish law, they shoot the receptionist at the front desk their local bank branch. Then the other poor, the police, show up and shoot him or take him away to help fill the new private prison.
So the poor have not fought back effectively.So the poor have not fought back with sufficient votes.
Like I said the corporation was a bunch of greedy bastards. I even created a whole new specialized degree for them for Computer Forensics and created some of the courses online for it from scratch and some other Dean , who moved up very quickly because he was ruthless, totally took credit for it.
Completely agree!
Okay, I know I'm gonna take some flak for what I'm about to say but please hear me out. I worked at a DeVry Campus for a number of years as a computer programmer instructor and then as a Dean. The Academic Dept at my campus cared deeply about our students and were committed to educating our students to be successful in the workforce and being Accredited meant a lot to us and it was a lot of work to maintain that accreditation. We also knew that our Marketing department were a bunch of greedy assholes who would bring in students who were in no way ready for college and we knew would not be successful without a significant amount of help. So we set up programs and tutoring to help people who weren't ready for college by teaching remedial math, English, etc, whatever they needed to get up to speed (often at no extra cost to the student). I would give them credit for courses taken at community college but not everything rolled over and if they couldn't pass some basic entrance exams on basic math, English, etc I would make them take the remedial course. The students disliked me for it but I would be damned if I would doom them to failure in the later courses. But the truth was we were given an impossible task.
To make matters worse the students often pushed back against the Academic Dept because they often felt we expected too much of them. I don't know how many times I was given a bad student evaluation because I made them write papers that were grammatically correct and coherent (heaven forfend). If had a dime for every time a student who wrote complete gibberish and then said upon receiving their grade, "This is a programming course, not an English Composition course!!!" I would be filthy rich. And on more than one occasion I was told by students (and their parents of the younger students), 'we've paid all this money, now give me my diploma' in spite of the fact the student did little or even cheated. They wanted to pay, do nothing and get a diploma and I flatly refused (as did their professors and other Deans).
Today I have many former students who are IT pros and making a good living. There are many others who never should have been in the program and are working in other fields and/or are underemployed. It was wrong of DeVry to market that they had 90% placement and they do overcharge for their courses. But at the same time, don't necessarily pooh-pooh the professors and Deans who worked there. Most of them truly cared and worked very hard to educate the students properly no matter what the unrealistic demands of the corporation or students were.
I totally agree.
Oh hey. Is that an American Eskie, or a Mittel?
Look, I'm sure you cared as much as you say you do, but when you say you "were given an impossible task," the people who gave you that task got paychecks from the same source you did. It wasn't just marketing that were "greedy assholes," it was the school administration.
I'm sorry, but I resent paying taxes for federally guaranteed loans to people who had no business accepting them and who were enticed to do so by greedy assholes. I already pay taxes to support my city's perfectly good community college, which is where the students of "for-profit colleges" belong in the first place.
Marine Biology, too, with our extensive expertise on the migratory patterns of CANNED CLAMS!
Damn, I always thought that to be called a University you had to have a research department that publishes facts.
I live near a couple of exceptions... a Baptist "U" and an Adventist "U." They get tax breaks from our city, too.
Also (sorry IrishGrrl), I'm having a little trouble with "it was the students' fault because dumb" line of defense...
Maybe (for profits) - don't do it?...
He'll just pardon everyone...twice. The second time, after they've been convicted.