I actually think this was more of an F U to a woke minority then actual comedy sets.
Both Ricky and Dave are always going to have a loyal following.
They seem to be doing ok despite this appraisal or maybe because of it.
These days I think people are way to sensitive and since I am a disabled person and some of the jokes were towards me and I don't seem to be to offended I do wonder if they are not bang on the money and that people are becoming way to sensitive in this day in age.
The F U is purely that comedy really is subjective. Obviously there are going to be people that do not agree with other peoples lifestyles, choices or feelings.
That is human.
Everything is offensive now.
I want to be very clear that in the future this article will probably be seen as offensive somehow.
Moral compasses have a habit of shifting on people in a way we all least expect.
Bill Hicks was attacked constantly yet looked as a comedy legend.
George Carlin said some really offensive crap about religion and people loved it.
I really feel that everyone is way to sensitive these days and are missing out on people teasing and instead think it is all bullying.
Maybe I am just a white middle aged male and therefore out of touch.
I doubt it though as they keep making these netflix specials so obliviously people are watching them.
"Presidential hopeful Nikki Haley has attracted a slew of endorsements from Washington state Republican leaders as she vies for the party’s nomination in this year’s race.
Senate GOP Caucus Chair Judy Warnick, House Minority Leader Drew Stokesbary, Senate Republican Whip Keith Wagoner and House Caucus Chair Paul Harris are among those who have thrown their weight behind Haley as an alternative to former President Donald Trump.
Haley’s campaign leadership team in Washington will be led by Saul Gamoran, the former state campaign chair for Texas U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz’s failed bid for the 2016 presidential nomination."
Seems I don't know how to evaluate behavior and speech for bigotry or misogyny.
I've watched all his previous specials and never heard anything bigoted or misogynistic, or hateful.
Like the old series, 30-Rock, he's got tons of material that makes fun of our bigotry, our fears, our defects as human beings,-- and as far as his intent, his feelings,- all I detect from Chapelle is compassion.
Yeah, I think you've nailed it: you don't hear bigotry or misogyny. Maybe it's because you're a white dude? Just guessing here.
I mean, we're not really talking about *all* of Chappelle's previous specials, but the last two or three where he's done what I would consider, frankly, terrible and lame and old hat jokes about trans people in a way that makes it pretty clear he a) doesn't understand the trans community and b) has a grudge.
No matter how much you say it is, the things you call racist are not racist. I didn't "assume" their race: I guessed it. They have not contradicted me. If they do, I'll worry about it then, concern troll.
I didn't read your other comment and I don't really care to, but if a comedian is not trying to be funny, then I think it's an apt critique to say that their work sucks.
Why do it? Cash, dingdong. Nobody ever lost money telling conservative losers what they want to hear. Either cash or a feeling of being downtrodden despite being massively wealthy and completely out of touch with the rest of the world.
Well i am going to take a guess you are probably American and do not really understand the nuances of the British Dark comedy and social satire.
I do love the comment "concern Troll" and then you pointing out you did not read the comment I had above shows me what sort of mind you must have.
A very closed one.
While some comedians use humor to be funny ( early on in their careers) as they earn cash and no longer fear going hungry they tend to talk more about changing social norms.
Some stay and play it safe while others experiment.
As a strong proponent of freedom of speech and thoughts which has lead to the changing of gay laws and even how the LGTBQ movement has grown, I would think people would understand this better.
Dark comedians do what they do ( as well as Gervais himself warning people that are easily offended to NOT watch his specials) I find those that do watch these specials and then complain about them, they are basically increasing their infamy and making them more money.
It is completely fine to critique another persons work.
It is never fine to insult people who disagree with you with , well unless you are a five year old that still has tantrums and does not know any better.
I have some theories why Dave changed from a Comedian to an Anti-Trans activist: 1) He admitted to having sex with a Trans woman in an earlier special. Clearly, this eats him up. 2) His kids are in their teen years and might be expressing non-cis feelings.
I'm a fan of your writing in general, Stephen, but as a very ardent comedy fan this is one of my favorite things you have ever written. I live in Austin and am surrounded by the Rogan grievance "comedy" scene and it's just so disappointing. I can't help but believe old Dave would not be a fan of current Dave.
I've watched comedians do entire sets without making transphobic jokes. It isn't that hard, unless you have become a talentless hack who can't actually write comedy.
Thanks for the warning, Stephen. There was a time when the guy was funny, but that time has past. Another case, maybe, of more success than a body could handle resulting in a head so swollen that it doesn't work any more. The fact that he is a member of another all-too-often persecuted minority just makes the whole thing even uglier. It is my sincere hope that the motherfucker loses his whole accumulated wealth speculating in bitcoin and finds himself right back where he started, no longer insulated from the consequences of being an asshole.
LOL, my friend did a photo shoot for his friend, with a chicken. He looked really peaceful holding this big fluffy chicken. He said in reality is was horrible. The chicken kept clawing and pecking at him. Moral? Let the chicken come to you.
Years ago, the CDC issued a warning about salmonella infections increasing because people were handling live poultry - in other words, chicken snuggling.
Damn, but Substack is being crotchety this morning. First thing, it WOULD NOT allow me to respond to a "like" notification in my email, now it wants me to sign in for the fifth time this morning just to like your adorable picture. Tell me, please, what is the name of the kid on the right?
I actually think this was more of an F U to a woke minority then actual comedy sets.
Both Ricky and Dave are always going to have a loyal following.
They seem to be doing ok despite this appraisal or maybe because of it.
These days I think people are way to sensitive and since I am a disabled person and some of the jokes were towards me and I don't seem to be to offended I do wonder if they are not bang on the money and that people are becoming way to sensitive in this day in age.
The F U is purely that comedy really is subjective. Obviously there are going to be people that do not agree with other peoples lifestyles, choices or feelings.
That is human.
Everything is offensive now.
I want to be very clear that in the future this article will probably be seen as offensive somehow.
Moral compasses have a habit of shifting on people in a way we all least expect.
Bill Hicks was attacked constantly yet looked as a comedy legend.
George Carlin said some really offensive crap about religion and people loved it.
I really feel that everyone is way to sensitive these days and are missing out on people teasing and instead think it is all bullying.
Maybe I am just a white middle aged male and therefore out of touch.
I doubt it though as they keep making these netflix specials so obliviously people are watching them.
Food for thought.
why does this post have 2773 comments..?
Looks like WA is getting a bit less MAGA.
"Presidential hopeful Nikki Haley has attracted a slew of endorsements from Washington state Republican leaders as she vies for the party’s nomination in this year’s race.
Senate GOP Caucus Chair Judy Warnick, House Minority Leader Drew Stokesbary, Senate Republican Whip Keith Wagoner and House Caucus Chair Paul Harris are among those who have thrown their weight behind Haley as an alternative to former President Donald Trump.
Haley’s campaign leadership team in Washington will be led by Saul Gamoran, the former state campaign chair for Texas U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz’s failed bid for the 2016 presidential nomination."
https://washingtonstatestandard.com/briefs/nikki-haley-announces-wa-campaign-team-endorsements-from-state-lawmakers/
Seems I don't know how to evaluate behavior and speech for bigotry or misogyny.
I've watched all his previous specials and never heard anything bigoted or misogynistic, or hateful.
Like the old series, 30-Rock, he's got tons of material that makes fun of our bigotry, our fears, our defects as human beings,-- and as far as his intent, his feelings,- all I detect from Chapelle is compassion.
Yeah, I think you've nailed it: you don't hear bigotry or misogyny. Maybe it's because you're a white dude? Just guessing here.
I mean, we're not really talking about *all* of Chappelle's previous specials, but the last two or three where he's done what I would consider, frankly, terrible and lame and old hat jokes about trans people in a way that makes it pretty clear he a) doesn't understand the trans community and b) has a grudge.
Did you just make a racist comment and assume someones race? I mean talk about pot calling kettle a different color but have a think about it.
I have mentioned above I honestly think both these comedians were doing more of a FU to the current social political climate then trying to be funny.
Regardless being a punching bag is probably not fun so why would you do it???
No matter how much you say it is, the things you call racist are not racist. I didn't "assume" their race: I guessed it. They have not contradicted me. If they do, I'll worry about it then, concern troll.
I didn't read your other comment and I don't really care to, but if a comedian is not trying to be funny, then I think it's an apt critique to say that their work sucks.
Why do it? Cash, dingdong. Nobody ever lost money telling conservative losers what they want to hear. Either cash or a feeling of being downtrodden despite being massively wealthy and completely out of touch with the rest of the world.
Well i am going to take a guess you are probably American and do not really understand the nuances of the British Dark comedy and social satire.
I do love the comment "concern Troll" and then you pointing out you did not read the comment I had above shows me what sort of mind you must have.
A very closed one.
While some comedians use humor to be funny ( early on in their careers) as they earn cash and no longer fear going hungry they tend to talk more about changing social norms.
Some stay and play it safe while others experiment.
As a strong proponent of freedom of speech and thoughts which has lead to the changing of gay laws and even how the LGTBQ movement has grown, I would think people would understand this better.
Dark comedians do what they do ( as well as Gervais himself warning people that are easily offended to NOT watch his specials) I find those that do watch these specials and then complain about them, they are basically increasing their infamy and making them more money.
It is completely fine to critique another persons work.
It is never fine to insult people who disagree with you with , well unless you are a five year old that still has tantrums and does not know any better.
Do better, and have a good life.
What's your take on Don Rickles?
"Raw" was also incredibly misogynistic.
I have some theories why Dave changed from a Comedian to an Anti-Trans activist: 1) He admitted to having sex with a Trans woman in an earlier special. Clearly, this eats him up. 2) His kids are in their teen years and might be expressing non-cis feelings.
Thank you for including Gervais in this call out.
I'm a fan of your writing in general, Stephen, but as a very ardent comedy fan this is one of my favorite things you have ever written. I live in Austin and am surrounded by the Rogan grievance "comedy" scene and it's just so disappointing. I can't help but believe old Dave would not be a fan of current Dave.
I've watched comedians do entire sets without making transphobic jokes. It isn't that hard, unless you have become a talentless hack who can't actually write comedy.
When I go to jail, I'm gonna identify as a rich, smug, entitled comedian who punches down, so I can get my bail revoked.
Thanks for the warning, Stephen. There was a time when the guy was funny, but that time has past. Another case, maybe, of more success than a body could handle resulting in a head so swollen that it doesn't work any more. The fact that he is a member of another all-too-often persecuted minority just makes the whole thing even uglier. It is my sincere hope that the motherfucker loses his whole accumulated wealth speculating in bitcoin and finds himself right back where he started, no longer insulated from the consequences of being an asshole.
Preview: 🐓 National Snuggle a Chicken Day
LOL, my friend did a photo shoot for his friend, with a chicken. He looked really peaceful holding this big fluffy chicken. He said in reality is was horrible. The chicken kept clawing and pecking at him. Moral? Let the chicken come to you.
Can I maybe snuggle a chick?
but we choke our chickens...
-Mikey Johnson
Years ago, the CDC issued a warning about salmonella infections increasing because people were handling live poultry - in other words, chicken snuggling.
one should always clean their chicken thoroughly before snuggling with it
I remember thar!
It roughly coincided with an uptick in leprosy infections linked to armadillo mating season here in FL.
They aint gonna offset the fleeing youth that way.
................... Okay!
I know, right? Florida.
Natch.
(nods)
Will always snuggle our Chicken ^.^
What, no sea lions available?
shhh! Don't mention sea lions!
ohshit, now you've done it!
That's on 11/27, my birthday.
*DIANE*!!
Good liers interviewed Trump supporters about guns. One responds with "You can't fight fire with water"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ern5AmhM6K8&t=1s
We will not lose to these scrubs!
The Republicans on the sunday show that hubs were watching were all "Sometimes in a democracy the people pick bad people!"
It was for lol. That's all they got left
There's a non-zero chance that we will.
With that attitude, sure :D
:D
So help me Sagan it should be painful to be THAT stupid.
Being stupid is like being dead: It is only painful for others.
Oh fuck no HAHAHAHAHAHA
That's news to Gage and DeSoto.
I imagine they probably try to fight it with bleach and UV light.
Gasoline.
https://substack.com/profile/6319258-jens-shining-new-year/note/c-46849783?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=3rfyy
found it! Spawn who are adults got me a new laptop and I moved all my old zips and looked into em and went a'walkin down memory lane.
Now the lot of them are the screen saver ^.^
Looky them cheeks on teeny spawn
Look out, kid, it's a trap.
❤️!!!!!!!!!!!
He had cheeks out to wazoo ^.^
I'll have to snag a card reader and get some of the baby ones from the SD chips. All cheeks, no hair
Damn, but Substack is being crotchety this morning. First thing, it WOULD NOT allow me to respond to a "like" notification in my email, now it wants me to sign in for the fifth time this morning just to like your adorable picture. Tell me, please, what is the name of the kid on the right?
http://www.garthtoons.com/blog/2024/1/7/parody-and-fair-use
"I didn't say she was crazy..."
Just because Goofy's hung like an Ordish Plunger . . .