As noted elsewhere, at least some immigrants coming from Central and South America have been hearing Fox News scream nonstop about how Democrats have totally opened the borders and taken them at their word, not having the context to understand that they’re not an actual news channel.
I’ve looked for definitive footage regarding them ‘whipping’ people using their horse’s reigns. I must be missing it. What I did see is them using their horses to aggressively intimidate people, and they appear to try and grab people who run, from atop their horses. The physics of such stunts are predictably chaotic and sloppy, and I’m certain it’s been designed to be exactly that. It’s also very easy to ‘accidentally’ smack with your long reigns (used in a whipping fashion to direct the horse in certain movements) someone fleeing you when you are close enough to grab them by the shirt using the same hand you were just holding the long reigns in. Very convenient…
Law enforcement, military, etc. use horses in places where normal vehicles can’t maneuver. You think that implies the ground surface is too unfriendly to tires. However, it also applies to crowd control, where people are too densely packed to make moving a vehicle productive. Also, horses allow for elevated views of crowds and movement. But, the biggest benefit of using horses to patrol people is that most people are intimidated by them, and they are assumed to be capable of occasionally behaving unpredictably (a convenient excuse for when someone gets trampled or kicked accidentally on purpose). Law enforcement also use dogs strategically in these ways, not just to do the hard work of tracking over rough terrain, but also to intimidate, brutalize, and subdue people.
I understand using horses along the Rio Grande. What I don’t agree with is using them as anything other than transportation. As a cop, you would NEVER try to grab a suspect fleeing you by reaching out your window with one hand while steering with the other, especially at high speeds with a lot of stop and go, and fancy maneuvering. The risk of running someone over is too high, you are splitting your attention too greatly, and it’s likely to result in collateral damage to others or yourself. And, in this case, the cop car would need to be a sports car capable of all those fancy movements, and cops would need to be expert stunt drivers. That’s the only way the comparison works. So, BP are riding around on horseback, behaving like stunt riders, and playing around by pretending they can adequately manage crowd control coming through the river, but mostly just using the horses like Tokyo Drift bumper cars to bounce people. And, accidentally on purpose ‘whipping’ them with their long reigns while steering their vehicles. Did I mention how bad this is for the horses as well?
OK, it's pretty damned obvious that whatever it is in the guy on the right's right hand, it's definitely not attached to the horse so it's definitely not a "long rein". It looks like a riding crop to me, an instrument that is made to inflict pain, either to a horse or a human.
Dagnabbit and dadgummit, what you effete progressive socialists don't realize is this here is happening in the great state of Texas, and Texas is cowboy country. Them boys on those horses is probably ex-cowboys and done grow up rodeoing and a-herding cattle on their Pappy's farm. Using horses to herd cattle by bunching them together and waving reins in their faces is traditional and just plain good herding technique. If it's good enough for cattle it's good enough for Haitians. It's not like they wuz trying to brand them. That would be plain wrong. Now tattooing them, or clipping an RFID tag to their ear might be OK, but everybody draws a line at branding.
This isn't really new. It's shitty, but it's not new. I remember when there was a time that they were beating hippies and/or black people with Billy clubs, and it was suggested that "night stick" would make future beating more palatable to folks reading their newspaper over a nice cup of coffee. It wasn't all bad. One could quietly meditate over whether the coffee, or the morals of various editorial boards, were weaker.
Reins on the bridles of horses are attached to a metal device in a horses mouth called a "bit." That whiplike thing used to herd and whip those poor people were not attached to the reins hanging in the man's hand. Leather, or braided nylon, of which most reins are made of are supple and flexible, which makes it impossible to both hang from your hands and be held overhead as a whip. Newton would like a word with these people.
all they have to do is show the Haitians clips from Fox where they are told that the border is wide open, and all kinds of free goodies await them when they arrive, courtesy of Biden. funny how the daily fearmongering can backfire on the wingnuts.
I don't see where Gigglesnort said that at all. Looks to me like they see Biden as having at least partial ownership, which.. I mean.. he is the president while this is happening. Seems like stopping it should be a pretty high priority.
The history of Hispaniola is fascinating. How one side of he island did reasonably well for the Caribbean, and the other became the New World's Albania....
And the Dominicans didn't have to pay France reparations for winning their revolution.
By forcing Haiti to pay for its freedom, France essentially ensured that the Haitian people would continue to suffer the economic effects of slavery for generations to come," said Marlene Daut, a professor at University of Virginia specializing in pre-20th century French colonial literary and historical studies.https://abcnews.go.com/US/c...
well, there often aren't really any "good" characters to choose from. Politics is about the exercise of power, so the field naturally attracts arrogant people; even in comfortable countries we are often appalled to find out that politicians we thought were respectable are financially crooked or sexually abusive or cruel to those around them, and in countries where the politics has been brutal for generations the type of people who make it to the top ranks are even less likely to be savory.
i've been thinking this since this story broke.
As noted elsewhere, at least some immigrants coming from Central and South America have been hearing Fox News scream nonstop about how Democrats have totally opened the borders and taken them at their word, not having the context to understand that they’re not an actual news channel.
I’ve looked for definitive footage regarding them ‘whipping’ people using their horse’s reigns. I must be missing it. What I did see is them using their horses to aggressively intimidate people, and they appear to try and grab people who run, from atop their horses. The physics of such stunts are predictably chaotic and sloppy, and I’m certain it’s been designed to be exactly that. It’s also very easy to ‘accidentally’ smack with your long reigns (used in a whipping fashion to direct the horse in certain movements) someone fleeing you when you are close enough to grab them by the shirt using the same hand you were just holding the long reigns in. Very convenient…
Law enforcement, military, etc. use horses in places where normal vehicles can’t maneuver. You think that implies the ground surface is too unfriendly to tires. However, it also applies to crowd control, where people are too densely packed to make moving a vehicle productive. Also, horses allow for elevated views of crowds and movement. But, the biggest benefit of using horses to patrol people is that most people are intimidated by them, and they are assumed to be capable of occasionally behaving unpredictably (a convenient excuse for when someone gets trampled or kicked accidentally on purpose). Law enforcement also use dogs strategically in these ways, not just to do the hard work of tracking over rough terrain, but also to intimidate, brutalize, and subdue people.
I understand using horses along the Rio Grande. What I don’t agree with is using them as anything other than transportation. As a cop, you would NEVER try to grab a suspect fleeing you by reaching out your window with one hand while steering with the other, especially at high speeds with a lot of stop and go, and fancy maneuvering. The risk of running someone over is too high, you are splitting your attention too greatly, and it’s likely to result in collateral damage to others or yourself. And, in this case, the cop car would need to be a sports car capable of all those fancy movements, and cops would need to be expert stunt drivers. That’s the only way the comparison works. So, BP are riding around on horseback, behaving like stunt riders, and playing around by pretending they can adequately manage crowd control coming through the river, but mostly just using the horses like Tokyo Drift bumper cars to bounce people. And, accidentally on purpose ‘whipping’ them with their long reigns while steering their vehicles. Did I mention how bad this is for the horses as well?
OK, it's pretty damned obvious that whatever it is in the guy on the right's right hand, it's definitely not attached to the horse so it's definitely not a "long rein". It looks like a riding crop to me, an instrument that is made to inflict pain, either to a horse or a human.
Dagnabbit and dadgummit, what you effete progressive socialists don't realize is this here is happening in the great state of Texas, and Texas is cowboy country. Them boys on those horses is probably ex-cowboys and done grow up rodeoing and a-herding cattle on their Pappy's farm. Using horses to herd cattle by bunching them together and waving reins in their faces is traditional and just plain good herding technique. If it's good enough for cattle it's good enough for Haitians. It's not like they wuz trying to brand them. That would be plain wrong. Now tattooing them, or clipping an RFID tag to their ear might be OK, but everybody draws a line at branding.
Sorry, that's a fucking whip!
This isn't really new. It's shitty, but it's not new. I remember when there was a time that they were beating hippies and/or black people with Billy clubs, and it was suggested that "night stick" would make future beating more palatable to folks reading their newspaper over a nice cup of coffee. It wasn't all bad. One could quietly meditate over whether the coffee, or the morals of various editorial boards, were weaker.
Reins on the bridles of horses are attached to a metal device in a horses mouth called a "bit." That whiplike thing used to herd and whip those poor people were not attached to the reins hanging in the man's hand. Leather, or braided nylon, of which most reins are made of are supple and flexible, which makes it impossible to both hang from your hands and be held overhead as a whip. Newton would like a word with these people.
all they have to do is show the Haitians clips from Fox where they are told that the border is wide open, and all kinds of free goodies await them when they arrive, courtesy of Biden. funny how the daily fearmongering can backfire on the wingnuts.
I don't see where Gigglesnort said that at all. Looks to me like they see Biden as having at least partial ownership, which.. I mean.. he is the president while this is happening. Seems like stopping it should be a pretty high priority.
Of course not. But we're late in his first year and some Trump-era policies are still in place.
"There's no such thing as an 'assault weapon', so therefore we're not going to listen to anything you have to say about guns."
They at least seem to have a functioning government.
The history of Hispaniola is fascinating. How one side of he island did reasonably well for the Caribbean, and the other became the New World's Albania....
And the Dominicans didn't have to pay France reparations for winning their revolution.
By forcing Haiti to pay for its freedom, France essentially ensured that the Haitian people would continue to suffer the economic effects of slavery for generations to come," said Marlene Daut, a professor at University of Virginia specializing in pre-20th century French colonial literary and historical studies.https://abcnews.go.com/US/c...
well, there often aren't really any "good" characters to choose from. Politics is about the exercise of power, so the field naturally attracts arrogant people; even in comfortable countries we are often appalled to find out that politicians we thought were respectable are financially crooked or sexually abusive or cruel to those around them, and in countries where the politics has been brutal for generations the type of people who make it to the top ranks are even less likely to be savory.