uh, no.The EU has called May's bluff (well, maybe it was Boris' bluff). They have the UK over a barrel--there isn't one issue that they need to compromise on: "Here's what you're going TO GET. Take it or leave it." And Brussels still wants their 600 large before anyone is going anywhere.
Leave politicians have said many things which have turned out not to be true. The main culprits being Farage, who has never been an MP and his party is marginalised, Davies who has just resigned, and BoJo who has also just resigned.
There are always some crackpot state split ballot initiatives. The Jefferson one is the most "in your face" where I live (foothills). You can't drive a mile without seeing one of those badly designed banners on someone's fence.
Yes and no. There is a ballot initiative petition right now to split the state into 3 pieces. The state of Jefferson thing goes back to the 40's, and the current proposal would not make those folks happy, because North California lumps S.F. and Sacramento with all of those northern counties . And I think I read something somewhere about an earlier movement.
Add in the self-aggrandisement and showboating, Gallipoli, the refusal to consider independence in India, the Bengal famine, gassing Kurds and so on. And that is ignoring the racism and anti-Semitism which came as standard in those days. Churchill had so many daft ideas that the WW2 General Staff had a parallel organisation simply to look into, and debunk, his notions. He was a figurehead who was the voice of defiance but the heavy lifting was done by others.
I think he may well have been a Brexiteer, he's BoJo in other circumstances.
Few things in the world are binary. The grovelling to the EU is a given, a deal with the US will take so long to negotiate it will be signed by your first lesbian cyborg president. There are plenty of other countries we'll sign humiliating deals with before the US one is agreed.
It's almost as if a government premised on appeals to the ice-age remnant of tribalist impulses to wage a war of each against all has deleterious consequences that benefit none but the reactionary oligarchs, and that maybe western democracies should be more vigilant against Russian deza campaigns to exploit their internal divisions rather than elevating "fuck you, I got mine" to official policy.
ETA: I think it's hilarious that the Brexiteers think any of their various proposals is anything but theater. The EU's position has consistently been that free movement of goods, services, finance, and people are inextricably bound, and that the UK doesn't get to pick and choose which they want. It's going to be great watching reality come crashing down on these twats.
uh, no.The EU has called May's bluff (well, maybe it was Boris' bluff). They have the UK over a barrel--there isn't one issue that they need to compromise on: "Here's what you're going TO GET. Take it or leave it." And Brussels still wants their 600 large before anyone is going anywhere.
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Leave politicians have said many things which have turned out not to be true. The main culprits being Farage, who has never been an MP and his party is marginalised, Davies who has just resigned, and BoJo who has also just resigned.
UK politicians explicitly rejected that.All the cost but none of the influence.
There are always some crackpot state split ballot initiatives. The Jefferson one is the most "in your face" where I live (foothills). You can't drive a mile without seeing one of those badly designed banners on someone's fence.
Yes and no. There is a ballot initiative petition right now to split the state into 3 pieces. The state of Jefferson thing goes back to the 40's, and the current proposal would not make those folks happy, because North California lumps S.F. and Sacramento with all of those northern counties . And I think I read something somewhere about an earlier movement.
I am no great fan of Churchill, but I would never flatter BoJo by comparing him to the man he clearly aspires to be.
Add in the self-aggrandisement and showboating, Gallipoli, the refusal to consider independence in India, the Bengal famine, gassing Kurds and so on. And that is ignoring the racism and anti-Semitism which came as standard in those days. Churchill had so many daft ideas that the WW2 General Staff had a parallel organisation simply to look into, and debunk, his notions. He was a figurehead who was the voice of defiance but the heavy lifting was done by others.
I think he may well have been a Brexiteer, he's BoJo in other circumstances.
A lot of the immigration panic was caused by Syrian refugees who weren't coming from the EU so Brexit doesn't really affect them anyway.
It isn't a binary system. We can end up with the Norwegian model, which is the likeliest if Brexit goes ahead.
Few things in the world are binary. The grovelling to the EU is a given, a deal with the US will take so long to negotiate it will be signed by your first lesbian cyborg president. There are plenty of other countries we'll sign humiliating deals with before the US one is agreed.
Two options Brits, humiliated grovelling to the EU or the tender mercies of Trump's America. Pick one.
It's almost as if a government premised on appeals to the ice-age remnant of tribalist impulses to wage a war of each against all has deleterious consequences that benefit none but the reactionary oligarchs, and that maybe western democracies should be more vigilant against Russian deza campaigns to exploit their internal divisions rather than elevating "fuck you, I got mine" to official policy.
ETA: I think it's hilarious that the Brexiteers think any of their various proposals is anything but theater. The EU's position has consistently been that free movement of goods, services, finance, and people are inextricably bound, and that the UK doesn't get to pick and choose which they want. It's going to be great watching reality come crashing down on these twats.
Not without a heavy toll paid to Brussels.
Calls for civility in 3....2....1....
Don't forget Russia's involvement. Read Jonathan Chait's expose from yesterday if you want the gritty deets.