I am sure the jury, when they found out that Joker and Speedbump laughed and joked around about innocent human beings getting their legs blown out from underneath them, were sensitive to the cultural issues of the boy's native society.
If we want prison to be a correctional experience (I know it is not now), the only way I could see keeping people on life sentences (without the possibility of parole) is if we put them in an entirely separate facility than the people we are trying to 'correct'. Such people have no incentives to not make everything worse for other people serving their time.
I also believe that keeping a person alive for 60+ years without any freedoms to punish them is FAR more sadistic than just executing them. There is of course value in giving enough time for new evidence, and we need to massively overhaul how we admit evidence in such cases, but as it stands, it I had to go to prison for 20 years to life, I would probably rather die than be kept alive in hell to make people feel better about not just turning me off. Seriously what is the point of living out the rest of your life in a cage? At least give these inmates the option of assisted suicide.
Thanks, Robyn. Took me all day to bring myself to read this one.
Death penalty cases always hit home for me; it's tied up in family issues. Without going into gross detail, my cousin was murdered by a pretty despicable man; he'd murdered both before, and after he killed my cousin. Most of my family wants him executed, and rages about Gov. Jay Inslee axing the death penalty, as it were.
I'm on the other side, and we can't even talk about it. It's awful, what this man did is awful and I STILL don't want him executed. It has a lot to do with that trite saying, and also a nastier desire to see him live out his days in prison. Anyway, hard stuff and I appreciate your take on it.
I am becoming more anti-death penalty, but I still can't bring myself to shed tears for the execution of Ted Bundy or wish that Gary Ridgeway (Green River Killer) had gotten the death penalty. Mass and serial killers yes, everyone else no. Though I acknowledge that killing them doesn't do squat for anyone else or protect anyone. Just human revenge.
In 1984, six death row inmates escaped Mecklenburg Correctional Center, making it the largest mass death row escape in American history. All were recaptured within 18 days, and all six men would eventually be executed. The final execution took place in 1996.
Martin Gurule escaped from the Texas Death Row at Ellis Unit in 1998. He was found dead a few days later
I dunno, the whole having to live the rest of your life in a 10x10 feels pretty right to me. I get the death penalty, but this murderer gets to the joy of riding out the rest of his life without seeing the light of day other than through the small window and chance to occasionally go outside.
I mean, honestly, it's an impossible task to have an unbiased death sentence jury. You have to be willing to consider the death penalty to serve and that question alone asked primes the jury to be more likely to consider it. Not to mention the manipulations of prosecutors who promise the victims' survivors that their death will bring closure (it doesn't), and the love of painting a picture that if they're not killed, they will be free to kill again. There'ss a de-emphasis on the options of life without possibility of parole or that in these types of cases parole isn't an option for 25-40 years and they're unlikely to have it granted the first several times if at all.
I’ve read about about several instances where the family, already traumatized by the loss of their loved one, have asked for no more killing, especially in their loved one’s name.
Very hard to imagine the likes of Goering, Goebels, and Himmler escaping the hangman’s noose at Nuremberg. (They took their own lives).And, seriously, who can imagine BinLaden ever standing trial and receiving a life sentence?
I am sure the jury, when they found out that Joker and Speedbump laughed and joked around about innocent human beings getting their legs blown out from underneath them, were sensitive to the cultural issues of the boy's native society.
This has always been my plan:
LWOP
No DP-it just means we have to hear about his kkklown
Denaturalize, declare stateless.
Deepest, darkest hole, no communication at all.
We did it with the panty bomber.
There was no rash of parole boards letting killers out of jail willy-nilly before LWOP.
THAT is a nazi maggot fantasy.
If we want prison to be a correctional experience (I know it is not now), the only way I could see keeping people on life sentences (without the possibility of parole) is if we put them in an entirely separate facility than the people we are trying to 'correct'. Such people have no incentives to not make everything worse for other people serving their time.
I also believe that keeping a person alive for 60+ years without any freedoms to punish them is FAR more sadistic than just executing them. There is of course value in giving enough time for new evidence, and we need to massively overhaul how we admit evidence in such cases, but as it stands, it I had to go to prison for 20 years to life, I would probably rather die than be kept alive in hell to make people feel better about not just turning me off. Seriously what is the point of living out the rest of your life in a cage? At least give these inmates the option of assisted suicide.
Thanks, Robyn. Took me all day to bring myself to read this one.
Death penalty cases always hit home for me; it's tied up in family issues. Without going into gross detail, my cousin was murdered by a pretty despicable man; he'd murdered both before, and after he killed my cousin. Most of my family wants him executed, and rages about Gov. Jay Inslee axing the death penalty, as it were.
I'm on the other side, and we can't even talk about it. It's awful, what this man did is awful and I STILL don't want him executed. It has a lot to do with that trite saying, and also a nastier desire to see him live out his days in prison. Anyway, hard stuff and I appreciate your take on it.
I am becoming more anti-death penalty, but I still can't bring myself to shed tears for the execution of Ted Bundy or wish that Gary Ridgeway (Green River Killer) had gotten the death penalty. Mass and serial killers yes, everyone else no. Though I acknowledge that killing them doesn't do squat for anyone else or protect anyone. Just human revenge.
In 1984, six death row inmates escaped Mecklenburg Correctional Center, making it the largest mass death row escape in American history. All were recaptured within 18 days, and all six men would eventually be executed. The final execution took place in 1996.
Martin Gurule escaped from the Texas Death Row at Ellis Unit in 1998. He was found dead a few days later
Now we have prisons run by private industry and death row prisoners are on supermax units which are pretty much like impenetrable bunkers
Well, that's why people become lawyers as it also is a part of their profession in defending such clients, no matter the crime.
I dunno, the whole having to live the rest of your life in a 10x10 feels pretty right to me. I get the death penalty, but this murderer gets to the joy of riding out the rest of his life without seeing the light of day other than through the small window and chance to occasionally go outside.
I mean, honestly, it's an impossible task to have an unbiased death sentence jury. You have to be willing to consider the death penalty to serve and that question alone asked primes the jury to be more likely to consider it. Not to mention the manipulations of prosecutors who promise the victims' survivors that their death will bring closure (it doesn't), and the love of painting a picture that if they're not killed, they will be free to kill again. There'ss a de-emphasis on the options of life without possibility of parole or that in these types of cases parole isn't an option for 25-40 years and they're unlikely to have it granted the first several times if at all.
I'm not worried at all about the terrorist. I worry about the soul of our country which includes unjust acts like Breonna Tayler murdered in her bed.
I’ve read about about several instances where the family, already traumatized by the loss of their loved one, have asked for no more killing, especially in their loved one’s name.
Very hard to imagine the likes of Goering, Goebels, and Himmler escaping the hangman’s noose at Nuremberg. (They took their own lives).And, seriously, who can imagine BinLaden ever standing trial and receiving a life sentence?
Where does he go to give his apology?
Law & Ordering.