"Khakis and a polo shirt are not traditional ethnic clothing."
No but they're traditional class-based clothes - add a sweatshirt around the shoulders and its the native outfit of the Preppy Businessman. Funny how the two get intertwined for some people, hmm?
Its interesting that whenever this debate arises, one side says "human rights violation" and the other says "but what about...". You picked a real bad example. A "Life Sentence" in a typical, "civilized" society is 20-25 years incarcerated, followed by lifetime conditions / restriction and constraints. And these people aren't "lost in the system." They are heavily monitored, who they hang with, what they are doing on the internet (if they are allowed access to it.) If they step out of line, they are back in jail...potentially for the rest of their lives. That still leaves Anders. Now...the guy is truly evil and maybe he deserves 40 years or 50 incarerated...dunno. As his stat release date approaches, years before that, his behaviour will be heavily monitored in jail. If he is continuing to express anything other than total remorse for his behaviour, he won't be released. The concept of a "25 year to life" sentence is hope. That one day you will feel "free"er again. But it isn't "freedom". One could argue that Mr. Breivik never deserves to breath free air again. Maybe there needs to be a judicial window that allows for a harsher penalty. Its just I always fear that because harsher penalties make the public feel better even though they do nothing to make the public safer. There will always be pressure to make more and more crime open to harsher and harsher penalties. IIWII.
Any recent mass killer—Buffalo, Charleston, Pittsburg, Florida, wherever—is not deserving of any special consideration(s) .I cringe for families who might one day see them back “serving” part of their sentences in the community.Harsher punishments do not automatically make communities safer, I agree. Likewise, these life alterers have made choices which they cannot reverse and have destroyed countless more lives by they actions. They’ve been given mercy: they’ve been allowed to live (and Breivik appears to be living quite well) .No surprise a large majority couldn’t careless about the length or quality of time they’ll serve.
A society can rightfully be judged by how they treat the worst of their criminals. We are not Iran or Quatar. No one in society should be discarded. It might be no surprise that people don't care about others, but it is disappointing.
In Iran and Qatar, Peyton Gendron would have already been executed.People do care about others, just much less about those who decide to ruin lives for no reason. Gendron has been shown mercy. He’s still living. He’ll be fed, clothed, given medical and dental care, and given a place to sleep.He won’t be unhoused.Past that, exactly what does he deserve?
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To be incarcerated for 25 years of his life in a max security facility. Monitored and rehabilitated appropriately. At some point prior to full parole, he should be gradually placed in decreased security surroundings. After year 25, if all conditions are met and he is a suitable candidate, he should be gradually reintroduced back into society. Intermittent release (day parole) etc. Strict conditions would be in place, dictating who he can interact with, whether or not he has access to the internet, whether or not he can engage in romantic relationships, and the tight geographic location he can exist in. Eventually, he would transition to completing his sentence entirely in the community (full parole), again with continuing, lifelong restrictions and conditions. Do some research and see the types of restrictions those serving life sentences in the community face. Its a life sentence. Part is inside and part is outside. If he fucks up on the outside, he goes back in. I know my position isn't popular. I don't care. Tossing someone in jail for life without another thought is expensive and dumb. We can back and forth on this till the end of time.
I am very happy to read this even with the caveat from ser Robyn on the life means life but I don't think that will change. That is OK. I am not a nice person - well, don't hold with state execution so I have one saving grace.
Will point out again that there is a little blue bird link second from left at top of front page.
"Khakis and a polo shirt are not traditional ethnic clothing."
No but they're traditional class-based clothes - add a sweatshirt around the shoulders and its the native outfit of the Preppy Businessman. Funny how the two get intertwined for some people, hmm?
I'll look into it.
Its interesting that whenever this debate arises, one side says "human rights violation" and the other says "but what about...". You picked a real bad example. A "Life Sentence" in a typical, "civilized" society is 20-25 years incarcerated, followed by lifetime conditions / restriction and constraints. And these people aren't "lost in the system." They are heavily monitored, who they hang with, what they are doing on the internet (if they are allowed access to it.) If they step out of line, they are back in jail...potentially for the rest of their lives. That still leaves Anders. Now...the guy is truly evil and maybe he deserves 40 years or 50 incarerated...dunno. As his stat release date approaches, years before that, his behaviour will be heavily monitored in jail. If he is continuing to express anything other than total remorse for his behaviour, he won't be released. The concept of a "25 year to life" sentence is hope. That one day you will feel "free"er again. But it isn't "freedom". One could argue that Mr. Breivik never deserves to breath free air again. Maybe there needs to be a judicial window that allows for a harsher penalty. Its just I always fear that because harsher penalties make the public feel better even though they do nothing to make the public safer. There will always be pressure to make more and more crime open to harsher and harsher penalties. IIWII.
Any recent mass killer—Buffalo, Charleston, Pittsburg, Florida, wherever—is not deserving of any special consideration(s) .I cringe for families who might one day see them back “serving” part of their sentences in the community.Harsher punishments do not automatically make communities safer, I agree. Likewise, these life alterers have made choices which they cannot reverse and have destroyed countless more lives by they actions. They’ve been given mercy: they’ve been allowed to live (and Breivik appears to be living quite well) .No surprise a large majority couldn’t careless about the length or quality of time they’ll serve.
A society can rightfully be judged by how they treat the worst of their criminals. We are not Iran or Quatar. No one in society should be discarded. It might be no surprise that people don't care about others, but it is disappointing.
Didn't we just see a different asshole wave a meaningless badge around in a futile attempt to make a point?
Someone I know here in Albuquerque goes to Mexico for dental treatment and swears by the quality of treatment and the low cost.
In Iran and Qatar, Peyton Gendron would have already been executed.People do care about others, just much less about those who decide to ruin lives for no reason. Gendron has been shown mercy. He’s still living. He’ll be fed, clothed, given medical and dental care, and given a place to sleep.He won’t be unhoused.Past that, exactly what does he deserve?
IIRC, he said he wouldn't lose a single voter. I don't remember anything about not being prosecuted
Hmm. Thank you.
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Today I'm trying to follow someone who isn't on the same server. I'm wandering around looking for the right button. The Search link eludes me. But I'm a befuddled old too :-)
Also that they were mostly small business owners successful enough to afford the trip and the time off.
The future isn't human, that's nearly certain.
To be incarcerated for 25 years of his life in a max security facility. Monitored and rehabilitated appropriately. At some point prior to full parole, he should be gradually placed in decreased security surroundings. After year 25, if all conditions are met and he is a suitable candidate, he should be gradually reintroduced back into society. Intermittent release (day parole) etc. Strict conditions would be in place, dictating who he can interact with, whether or not he has access to the internet, whether or not he can engage in romantic relationships, and the tight geographic location he can exist in. Eventually, he would transition to completing his sentence entirely in the community (full parole), again with continuing, lifelong restrictions and conditions. Do some research and see the types of restrictions those serving life sentences in the community face. Its a life sentence. Part is inside and part is outside. If he fucks up on the outside, he goes back in. I know my position isn't popular. I don't care. Tossing someone in jail for life without another thought is expensive and dumb. We can back and forth on this till the end of time.
Your eyes and teeth aren't really parts of your body, though, ya gotta admit.
I am very happy to read this even with the caveat from ser Robyn on the life means life but I don't think that will change. That is OK. I am not a nice person - well, don't hold with state execution so I have one saving grace.
Will point out again that there is a little blue bird link second from left at top of front page.